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Easy ;-) As the stays lay over the shrouds, the shrouds come first ... ... but after the pendants! XXXDAn

Do not worry Jan, I already projected a ramp for easy wheel chair access beside ;-) XXXDAn

Statement 1: dafi is torturing wood. For the first time I was bending watered wood with the soldering iron - fascinating for a stubborn plastinator how willingly even 3 x 3 mm battens take the right turn :-) And why this? Originally planned were 5 deck beams to hold the upper deck, but for some unknown reasons the number of deck beams became larger ... The other deck beams are forced into the curve by the stanchions, but if those are missing ? Statement 2: Holes that mean the world - at least to me ;-) As already seen midships, where the anchor cable is disappearing towards the hold ... ... one can nicely see ... ... how much ladders and stanchions are in the way if it is to work there. So using swift the jack ... ... and lift the deck beam - and with it all the upper decks - some inches or so, take out the ladders and stanchions ... ... and all that is left on the deck are some small holes and plenty of space to work. Now I too understood the short arms of the jack - it allows to go near the stanchions or even the hull. And as my new deck beams are already fitted with a nice curve, they stay nicely up as they should. Thinking about the color of the space underneath the stanchions, I believe that the wood in itself possibly stayed with a lighter color, but with all the muck from cleaning that went underneath I opted for a dark brown. So I prepared the taken out stanchions ... ... pimped them up ... ... and cluttered them together with the ladders behind the companionway. Looked pittoresk, but not really Bristol fashion, so I preferred the following solution :-) Question: How were the ladders - if in place - secured on the deck? Was there there chocks or wedges or something nailed to the planks? Cheers, Daniel PS: Do not worry on the first pictures, there is no fire in the hold. Just a small ball of wad is doing wonders against the unsought will of certain parts that strongly do believe that their future should be in the hold :-)

Thank you Popeye, Kevin and Orca! And Orca - just do it ! ;-) XXXDAn

Always a real treat to catch up here :-) XXXDAn

Nice build , enjoyable to follow :-) Only remark is the cluttering of the gratings ... If you still have the option to move the so called "items" somewhere else it would be beneficial for the lower decks, as the gratings provide fresh air and some daylight for the decks underneath. Also they were removed on a regular base to heave in and out and up and down the "items" as the steps were not practical to carry stuff. Cheers, Daniel

One good hint is that the poster personally can be made reliable for putting up pictures that suddenly get expensive. More easy to claim with a mostly german forum than an international one ... ... and it always will stay a hazard for the forum´s crew in especially the owner. Cheers, Daniel

The same in Germany ... For our german forum we had unfortunately to hide half the building reports and especially the research section for that reason and only can grant access after registration - no remedy but a tiny bit of privacy that makes us less vulnurable. Also NMM requests to always to properly mention the source - as plenty of other sources do. But not just for them, it also makes our own work easier, if one knows where the stuff comes from for further research. Also often pictures from build logs from other forums are used without the source being told. Always unfair to the original maker! Cheers, Daniel http://www.segelschiffsmodellbau.com

... oh Ian, you know, I did not even start yet ... ... ... breaking bad ;-) XXXDAn

And now, its Hammer Time! That is the result of well planned building activities. In the old days I fixed the standing knees without being able to level the upper edge, now that I can, the deck is quite clattered with other activities ... ... time to get out the heavy tools for some desperate measures. The blade laid over the now existing beams and with some persuasiveness of the hammer (or tweezers as they are smaller) split the knees to pieces. After the first trials I replaced the hammer with better dosed hand enforcement and it worked wonders. The bounty was rewarding. Almost no collateral damages, just some sailors looked a bit down, but they are already up to their feet again :-) Cheers, Daniel

On the way to new endeavours on the way to Victory ... d Lets see if it works :-) XXXDAn

Happy new year to you all! Finally managed to do something on my main build, slowly one step a day literally ;-) The biggest empty spaces on the lower deck are due to the missing companionways, so lets fill those gaps ... The ladders on the right should have the same upward orientation in the middle as the one on the left, but i buzzed it ... Was this to adapt to a possible list of the ship? Then comes the dry fit ... ... and one does see immediately ... ... why they were removable and could be off set without further trouble. The aft companionways show that even better ... ... big obstruction ... ... but set aside as fast as the the deck pillars :-) Cheers, Daniel

And again it shows, that it is not just etch that makes a good model. Frank shows impressively, that he is a master in his own right, bringing plastic, etch, rope and cloth to life! Magnificent job, congratulations, Daniel PS: Now I know what stays are for ;-) To hold the tweezers while setting the yards:-)

As always: great work :-) XXXDAn

Turner Drawing: As all other drawings appear to have been done from a boat, and other drawings show vessels around, my interpretation is, that it is the stern and boom of another vessel. Livesay: I think he means towed, as this is mentioned somewhere else - I hope that the other one do not refere to Livesay ;-)

Stansfield was 12 in 1805 :-) Here the contemporary work. Turner: The ‘Victory’, Starboard View towards the Stern 1805 http://www.tate.org.uk/art/artworks/turn...s-of-the-d05482 Livesay Dezember 1806 Robert Dodd 1807 And with it :-) Schetky, John Christian, 27 April 1827 [sic: 1924?!?] http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/150849.html PAI0909 And to be seen on all pictures happily after. Personal conclusion, the davits were fitted with the round bow. XXXDAn

PS Robin you are right I exchanged the last two numbers, it was 1836 :-) But still not in the early days after Trafalgar. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarkson_Frederick_Stanfield XXXDAn

Sorry Druxey, I forgot, for stupid german legal reasons one has to register there first ... Please be our guest, if ever someone needs help please contact me. XXXDAn

The Stanfield painting is from 1863 as far as I know, and thus anachronistical. I just had a small collection of the original sources in the german forum, not alwaysed getting too confused ... http://www.segelschiffsmodellbau.com/t4729f198-Victory-im-Wandel-der-Zeit-in-zeitgenoessischen-Dokumenten.html Cheers, Daniel

Thank you Robin, any referenece is welcome! Will have a look, for further details I am thankful! Druxey, in my understanding those were intended for balancing and swinging the ship while warping and anchoring. So it makes some sense to have them on the other end of the ship. As they are not that heavy some yards or spars could have done the job to hoist, and the aft capstan is not that far if laid out by the stern ports or aft gunports. XXXDAn

Did too some homework and not only the kedge on the mizzen channel is doubtful, also the davits are ;-) Checked all drawings from Turner, Pocock, Livesay and Dodd from 1805 to 1807 and no davits displayed. All drawings from 1824 onwards show them quite prominently ... As I said, some people worry about the 50 shades of pink, but there are bigger things awaiting ;-) XXXDan

This is McKays hint for the research to start. So far my "authorities" in the german forum claiming not having heard from the kedge in the mizzen channel so far. Are there any clues from the english savants? And another surprising hint came about the davits´ introduction: When was this claimed to be? No traces to be seen from all the drawings from 1805, 1806 and 1807 and from 1824 on they are very very prominent in all the drawings ;-) XXXDAn PS: Research can sometimes take funny turns ...

Great archives are great but sometimes it takes time to find the right stuff ... Here a similar solution to BE´s from a wonderful japanese 1:48 Vic. And here is the solution from the Götheburg :-) Not historical, not the mizzen, but real life ;-) XXXDAn

Thank you Maurice! Nice to see your beauty again :-) That was my first thought too, but the arm avoids the boat to come near the channels to climb in and the palm is not that compatible with the boats side ... I believe I once saw one lashed vertically to the shrouds but no idea if on a contemporary source or where ever. XXXDAn

McKay talks about a kedge anchor in the mizzen channel for the Victory. Also Steel describes one of them. So far so good :-) For the journey it could have been place in the hold. But how was it stowed up there in the channels? For that I am missing contemporary sources. Sometimes the stream anchor can be seen lashed onto the bower in paintings, drawings or models. But I am missing evidence of the kedge ... Just to try things I hooked a boat unto the davits. If you lift it up to the level of the channels, one see that nothing should protrude, especially no palms. Lashed to the "shrouds" tried some variations ... ... upright does not work ... ... covers the gunport ... ... laid down the shaft is in the way of the gunport ... ... easy to be seen ... ... but also the davit is obstructed. The only way I see is ... ... is one of those two ways. Or am I blind and there is something else? XXXDAn