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They are parallel :-) I was not sure how to place them, but it looked strange in the area of the skylight having them curved there. Also with the two middle partners in the back. XXXDAn

In real life or in the model? XXXDAn

What a sad story ... ... after the big modelers meeting in Augsburg near Munich in March my sweet black´n´yellow beaty even did not make it back up to the tinkering table and had to stay in the staircase ... ... the poor one, all alone ... ... ... :-( Until today she went underneath the knife again - HUUUUURRRRRAYYYY! First relocating the skylight of the poop. Being a little to much upfront ... ... bravely using the knife ... ... and resettling the cut out. And then something I always wanted to try out ... ... the new planking in between the binding strakes still parallel because of the 2 middle poop deck partners ... ... but then getting curved towards the outer hull. After gluing the planks cutting with a plexi ruler in several turns into shape ... ... and so I got a nice deck with curved planks and that even in 1:100, so no more excuses for the bigger scales ;-) XXXDAn

I just got the book First HMS Invincible (1747-1758) from John Bingeman There I found a picture of the false keel, with plenty of nails, could this be the "pease"? XXXDAn

One more question. As the gangway was originally a special feature and was positioned a bit underneath the forecastle and the quarter deck it had a own planking sceme. How was the split of fo´castle and gangway and gangway and quarterdeck handled in regards of the planking handled later on when the gangway moved onto the same level as those decks? Was there first still a split/break in the planking pattern or when did it start to be planked over as it was a single deck? In especially I am of course interested into the handling around 1803 when the vic was recommissioned still havin a very narrow gangway? Cheers, DAniel PS: Please do not refer to the 1:1 model in P. ;-) (There is a small spilt)

The best guessing until now in my personal opinion was for sauve-tête netting or sunsails or other "convenience"-items as there is no documentation for rigging to be attached there. But by the position of the rollers (if they are!) there is no pull pointing upwards of the line or it would have jumped out of the lead, so one could guess that these are for handling cables from the mizzen and others bits down to the quarterdeck to have more space for the men to work on the lines ?!? Cheers, DAniel

Robin and Wayne, wonderful team you are :-) In Bruzelius found the passage that Robin cited: http://www.bruzelius.info/Nautica/Signalling/SFI(1775)-2.html Sailing and Fighting Instructions for His Majesty's Fleet. Signals by Day. Distinguishing Lights for the Flags. INSTR. I. The Admiral, who commands the Fleet, is to have three Lights on the Poop, and one on the Main-top. II. The Vice-Admiral, or he who has the Second Post, to have two on his Poop, and one on his Main-top. III. The Rear-Admiral, or he who has the Third Post, one on his Main-top, and one on his Poop. IV. The Vice-Admiral of each Squadron, two on his Poop. V. The Rear-Admiral of each Squadron, one on his Poop: But when the whole Fleet carry their Lights, then the rear-Admiral of each Squadron is to carry two Lights, the one hoisted a Yard above the other, on the Ensign-staff. VI. In Case of foul Weather, and a dark Night, each Ship is to carry a Light. Sailing and Fighting Instructions for His Majesty's Fleet, 1775. Still have to look for the citation in the larger script. Thanks a lot mates, you are wonderful! XXXDAn *rushing off to take his lantern from the fore top to the main* PS: Hope nothing changed compared to 1805 ;-) Any idea if Lavery had a bad information or if his quote was appicable in another time frame?

What does the hint about the stern lanterns mean? The painting shows 3 lanterns, as a Vice Admiral he only would light two at night? Or would one be taken down? As a Rear Admiral, would he light the one in the middle or just one left or right? Cheers, DAniel

Dear Robin, I had no problem to understand the meaning of your exactly 999 post so far and this is more than with some others that have a better spelling ;-) XXXDAn

Thank you Robin! Do you have access to a copy Sailing and Fighting Instructions for His majesty s Fleet 1775, or is it somewhere online available? XXXDAn

Quite a while ago Blue Ensign pointed me to an interesting question. Todays Victory is carrying a lantern in the main top. Lavery points out in Arming and Fitting on page 255 that the position of the lantern follows the rank: Admiral in the main top, Vice Admiral in the fore top and Rear Admiral in the mizzen top. As Nelson was Vice Admiral of the White at Trafalgar, the lantern should be displayed in the fore top to show the correct position at Trafalgar as indicated by Lavery. But apart from Laverys remark I did not found any other mention of this practice, the only reference he gives is the Public Record office Adm 106/2233, 26 Jan 1804, unfortunately unknown to me. Does anybody have access to it? But I just stumbled across another contradicting reference, again, it did not jump into my eye even though I examined the picture laready multiple times. Painting "The 'Victory' Leaving the Channel in 1793" Monamie Swaine, http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/15169.html BHC3696 The 'Victory' is shown broadside to port, going down Channel to windward with Rudyerd's Eddystone Lighthouse distantly visible beyond her stern. She is shown flying the flag of Lord Hood as Vice-Admiral of the Red (red at the fore), as she heads outward-bound with her squadron in 1793 for the Mediterranean, where she was Hood's flagship at the Siege of Toulon and the invasion of Corsica. Hood had been promoted to Admiral of the Blue by the time he returned in November 1794, and on the left 'Victory' is shown again, leading the return of his squadron. In the main view 'Victory' also flies a Union jack on her bowsprit and a red ensign, as do other ships of the outward-bound squadron following her. The 'Victory' was floated out of dock at Chatham in 1765 and the picture shows her as built except that she has been coppered. This process first took place in March 1780, when the bottom of the ship below the waterline was sheathed with 3923 sheets of copper to protect her hull against ship-worm. The name 'Victory' is present on the stern. In 1797she was Sir John Jervis's flagship at the Battle of Cape St Vincent and in 1801-03 had a major rebuild at Chatham that enclosed her stern galleries and gave her a new figurehead. She then went to the Mediterranean as Nelson's flagship, up to and including at the Battle of Trafalgar in 1805. Monamy was the son of the better-known Francis Swaine and grandson of the even more famous Peter Monamy, after whom he was named. He was active from about 1769 to 1774 and, if this painting is by him, into the 1790s. As an artist he specialized in still-life and genre, although he exhibited two marine pictures at the Free Society of Artists in 1771 and 1772. Date made circa 1795 Even though Hood was Vice Admiral - correctly displayed with the flag on the fore mast - the lantern is on the main top: That leads me to the question: Does anybody have more information about the regulations of putting the mast top lanterns? Cheers and thanks, Daniel

Wunderherrlich! Marveilleux! XXXDAn

And todays Spanish lesson :-) Thanks to Peregrino for the great work on the documentation of San Juan Nepomuceno http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13117-spanish-74-gautier-system/#entry407942 See the original here: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/47335803/Nepomuceno_foro.pdf Interessting is the formula e/E=a/A to get the small drum´s diameter. And see the display bolted underneath the deck beam, having the deflection roller incorporated. XXXDAn

And todays Spanish lesson :-) Thanks to Peregrino for the great work on the documentation of San Juan Nepomuceno http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13117-spanish-74-gautier-system/#entry407942 See the original here: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/47335803/Nepomuceno_foro.pdf Interessting is the formula e/E=a/A to get the small drum´s diameter. And see the display bolted underneath the deck beam, having the deflection roller incorporated. XXXDAn

Just discovered today and what can I say? What a fathers day present! Most wonderful work and the reason finally to start learning Spanish :-) All the details I am searching in english ships, axinometer, toilet facilities in the heads and quarter galleries, pantry, simply all a model makers heart desires to compare with the already found evidence in the other navies. Thank you for all that work, Daniel

Thank you very much Siggi!!! Wonderful and informative pictures. The interesting picture is this one: White the indicator Green the scale The question about the drum: There should be a small drum with about 3 turns (like the french system) of the steering rope moving the indicator. It is not clearly visible, but it seems that this small drum is not in between the wheel and the post in front (red arrow). Alternatively it could be in the end of the drum (orange arrow). Or was the indicator moved any other way? XXXDAn

Siggi 52 posted a nice picture of the Royal George´s wheel. Thank you loads! Is there a better picture available that shows if there is any attachment or mechanism to be discovered on the model? I.e. the small drum for the rope like in the french version? http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/gallery/image/13690-img-5659/ XXXDAn

Hello Druxey, thank you for the feedback, I do not know if we are talking about the same things. On the front of the deck beam of the poop deck there is the helm indicator, taking about a third of the width of the beam. In the resulting thirds left and right, the 2 black spots could be rings or mere decoration. I was inquiring about the 4 "fair-lead-rollers"-like structures atop of the deck beam incorporated into the base of the rail. @rybakov / Zeh is it possible to post a better resolution of the detail in question? Cheers, Daniel

Thank you Wayne and Robin, all sources are welcome! Always!!! :-) :-) :-) Good thought Mark, but I still do believe that all the equipment, i.e. the weapons already were off board at the moment of the drawing. The most logical reason so far for the guns to be there is for signaling and saluting, still an important issue in those days. I do not believe, that the mysterious "cleats" have something to do with the swivels. Bruce, thank you for the observations. The mysterious wooling could be an after battle fix, other drawings suggest that the fishing of the main mast still was in place at that time, perhaps apart from the swivels being placed in the "free" sections. Turner indicates that the rail was shot away in battle, so the rail´s top part in the drawing should be an after battle replacement. This also in my opinion reduces the chance for the swivels to be a battle fix. XXXDAn

Hy Nick, yes it is the Vic, thank you I added the info in the first entry. Robin: Not only you looked at this picture a thousand times - me too without seeing a lot of details ;-) Turner gives the information, that the rail was shot away, so what we see in the painting is only the base - with the details in question - and the drawing shows the replacement after the battle. Zeh: Thank you for the confirmation, that is the closest guess we have so far, but what purpose? Pat, yes buckets were hanged this area, but usually from different looking hooks Robin, I unfortunately do not have the references you mention, a hint where to get them would be appreciated or where to get the informations concerning the Victory. The guess in my german forum for the 3 swivels so far is that they were for signaling as the rest of the ordonance was already removed as to be seen by the pictures. Nick the "same level" is an optical illusion. I do not think about a single event like a fallen spar as it is shown in two drawings. As for the initial question, the best guess so far are the fair leads or snatch blocks. But what for? Best guess so far on the german side for sauve tête nettings or other temporal fittings. Any other guesses or even hard facts? Cheers and thank you all, Daniel

+++Brandnew+++ Look at Blue Ensign´s wonderful version: #1687 XXXDAn

Wonderful! Thank you! Is there a way to get the pictures of this collection in a higher resolution? XXXDAn

Thank you Anaga, very nice and interesting links! XXXDAn

There are more details to be found here :-) #5 XXXDAn

And on we went immediately to figure out a modeler´s solution. The build was rather simple, a simple slide for an indicator moved by some thin rope to the left and to the right. The pointer was bit itzy bitzy teeny weeny, a 0,3 mm drill into som 0,6 plastic ... ... and the test assembly ... ... and on my tryout model on location :-) Looks smart and ingenious, learnt something new, added a nice detail to all things Victory and beyond and I am happy. Hope you are too :-) Cheers, Dr. dafi