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dafi replied to dvm27's topic in How to use the MSW forum - **NO MODELING CONTENT**
One good hint is that the poster personally can be made reliable for putting up pictures that suddenly get expensive. More easy to claim with a mostly german forum than an international one ... ... and it always will stay a hazard for the forum´s crew in especially the owner. Cheers, Daniel -
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dafi replied to dvm27's topic in How to use the MSW forum - **NO MODELING CONTENT**
The same in Germany ... For our german forum we had unfortunately to hide half the building reports and especially the research section for that reason and only can grant access after registration - no remedy but a tiny bit of privacy that makes us less vulnurable. Also NMM requests to always to properly mention the source - as plenty of other sources do. But not just for them, it also makes our own work easier, if one knows where the stuff comes from for further research. Also often pictures from build logs from other forums are used without the source being told. Always unfair to the original maker! Cheers, Daniel http://www.segelschiffsmodellbau.com- 26 replies
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And now, its Hammer Time! That is the result of well planned building activities. In the old days I fixed the standing knees without being able to level the upper edge, now that I can, the deck is quite clattered with other activities ... ... time to get out the heavy tools for some desperate measures. The blade laid over the now existing beams and with some persuasiveness of the hammer (or tweezers as they are smaller) split the knees to pieces. After the first trials I replaced the hammer with better dosed hand enforcement and it worked wonders. The bounty was rewarding. Almost no collateral damages, just some sailors looked a bit down, but they are already up to their feet again :-) Cheers, Daniel
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On the way to new endeavours on the way to Victory ... d Lets see if it works :-) XXXDAn
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Happy new year to you all! Finally managed to do something on my main build, slowly one step a day literally ;-) The biggest empty spaces on the lower deck are due to the missing companionways, so lets fill those gaps ... The ladders on the right should have the same upward orientation in the middle as the one on the left, but i buzzed it ... Was this to adapt to a possible list of the ship? Then comes the dry fit ... ... and one does see immediately ... ... why they were removable and could be off set without further trouble. The aft companionways show that even better ... ... big obstruction ... ... but set aside as fast as the the deck pillars :-) Cheers, Daniel
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And again it shows, that it is not just etch that makes a good model. Frank shows impressively, that he is a master in his own right, bringing plastic, etch, rope and cloth to life! Magnificent job, congratulations, Daniel PS: Now I know what stays are for ;-) To hold the tweezers while setting the yards:-)
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Turner Drawing: As all other drawings appear to have been done from a boat, and other drawings show vessels around, my interpretation is, that it is the stern and boom of another vessel. Livesay: I think he means towed, as this is mentioned somewhere else - I hope that the other one do not refere to Livesay ;-)
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Stansfield was 12 in 1805 :-) Here the contemporary work. Turner: The ‘Victory’, Starboard View towards the Stern 1805 http://www.tate.org.uk/art/artworks/turn...s-of-the-d05482 Livesay Dezember 1806 Robert Dodd 1807 And with it :-) Schetky, John Christian, 27 April 1827 [sic: 1924?!?] http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/150849.html PAI0909 And to be seen on all pictures happily after. Personal conclusion, the davits were fitted with the round bow. XXXDAn
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PS Robin you are right I exchanged the last two numbers, it was 1836 :-) But still not in the early days after Trafalgar. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarkson_Frederick_Stanfield XXXDAn
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Sorry Druxey, I forgot, for stupid german legal reasons one has to register there first ... Please be our guest, if ever someone needs help please contact me. XXXDAn
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The Stanfield painting is from 1863 as far as I know, and thus anachronistical. I just had a small collection of the original sources in the german forum, not alwaysed getting too confused ... http://www.segelschiffsmodellbau.com/t4729f198-Victory-im-Wandel-der-Zeit-in-zeitgenoessischen-Dokumenten.html Cheers, Daniel
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Thank you Robin, any referenece is welcome! Will have a look, for further details I am thankful! Druxey, in my understanding those were intended for balancing and swinging the ship while warping and anchoring. So it makes some sense to have them on the other end of the ship. As they are not that heavy some yards or spars could have done the job to hoist, and the aft capstan is not that far if laid out by the stern ports or aft gunports. XXXDAn
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Did too some homework and not only the kedge on the mizzen channel is doubtful, also the davits are ;-) Checked all drawings from Turner, Pocock, Livesay and Dodd from 1805 to 1807 and no davits displayed. All drawings from 1824 onwards show them quite prominently ... As I said, some people worry about the 50 shades of pink, but there are bigger things awaiting ;-) XXXDan
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This is McKays hint for the research to start. So far my "authorities" in the german forum claiming not having heard from the kedge in the mizzen channel so far. Are there any clues from the english savants? And another surprising hint came about the davits´ introduction: When was this claimed to be? No traces to be seen from all the drawings from 1805, 1806 and 1807 and from 1824 on they are very very prominent in all the drawings ;-) XXXDAn PS: Research can sometimes take funny turns ...
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Great archives are great but sometimes it takes time to find the right stuff ... Here a similar solution to BE´s from a wonderful japanese 1:48 Vic. And here is the solution from the Götheburg :-) Not historical, not the mizzen, but real life ;-) XXXDAn
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Thank you Maurice! Nice to see your beauty again :-) That was my first thought too, but the arm avoids the boat to come near the channels to climb in and the palm is not that compatible with the boats side ... I believe I once saw one lashed vertically to the shrouds but no idea if on a contemporary source or where ever. XXXDAn
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McKay talks about a kedge anchor in the mizzen channel for the Victory. Also Steel describes one of them. So far so good :-) For the journey it could have been place in the hold. But how was it stowed up there in the channels? For that I am missing contemporary sources. Sometimes the stream anchor can be seen lashed onto the bower in paintings, drawings or models. But I am missing evidence of the kedge ... Just to try things I hooked a boat unto the davits. If you lift it up to the level of the channels, one see that nothing should protrude, especially no palms. Lashed to the "shrouds" tried some variations ... ... upright does not work ... ... covers the gunport ... ... laid down the shaft is in the way of the gunport ... ... easy to be seen ... ... but also the davit is obstructed. The only way I see is ... ... is one of those two ways. Or am I blind and there is something else? XXXDAn
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Even though the picture of the red ensign is heraldically correct, in practice the diagonal cross was usually off set ... http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/937.html To be seen on almost all the examples I know. XXXDAn
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Druxey, Popeye and avs, thank you for the feedback! Also very nice picture avs - waiting for the ceremonial diorama ;-) And also thanks for all the likes and happy new year to all of of you, Daniel
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Nice picture haven´t realised this yet. Thank you! These cranes appear shorter in this setup. My reference was McKay where the fore and main channels have almost the same width and the cranes are higher. Cheers, Daniel
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Thank you Kevin, Dirk, Robin, Mark and avs for the nice comments and all the others for the many likes! And for all of you only the best new year wishes, DAniel
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And now todays last part. Still working on the deck. Here are the correct lengths of the gratings as seen today ... ... the pikes of the fore ... ... and the main ... ... and the belfry. So that´s it, more from one of my many working areas soon after returning home from my holiday :-) XXXDAn
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As the deadeyes vary a tad in diameter open up the irons as necessary ... ... and place the deadeyes the right way round. The complete plate looks like this. To avoid bending the parts always cut the complete set of an iron ... ... place it in the slots, fix with the needle and put some superglue ... ... onto the backside of the iron underneath the board ... ... and use a string to pull the deadeye in place in the right direction and hold still until the glue sets. And finished it looks like this:
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