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Hello Jan perfectly right. This is is a replacement "slide" in case the original axis is damaged and no spare wheel could be fixed. I think with the adrenalin up the crew would manage to somehow lift the gun by the means of jacks or levers to replace the missing wheel. The half wheel has the square hole to fit the original axxis and the missing "wings" are no problem if the nails go in at an angle of 45°, anyway much easier to hammer ;-) Röding was a tea merchant that published his work in between 1793 and 1798, so being contemporary to Steel. His work even went straight into the first german Deutsches Wörterbuch (English: The German Dictionary) from Brothers Grimm in 1838 (also known for their fairy tales collection). XXXDAn -
Just found tome 4 :-) https://ia902700.us.archive.org/2/items/bub_gb_SOZWAAAAcAAJ/bub_gb_SOZWAAAAcAAJ.pdf XXXDAn
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Figure 321 if that helps :-) You have a link for the online edition of the text books? Cheers, Daniel
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@ Henry: Wonderful catch at the Encyclopedia Britannica ! Are there any pictures from the act of shipping Constitution´s rudder? That would be the confirming piece. Cheers, Daniel
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... an´now comes Röding :-) Allgemeines Worterbuch der Marine – 1798 by Johann Hinrich Roding https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Hinrich_Röding http://www.lot-tissimo.com/de/i/9163564/roeding-woerterbuch-der-marine-3-bde-schiffahrt-roeding-j-h-allgemeines-woerterbuch-der-marine-in http://www.zvab.com/buch-suchen/titel/allgemeines-woerterbuch-der-marine/autor/roeding XXXDAn
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Some more hints is Nares (I hope as it was late when I found it ... :-) Eventhough it is an emergency rudder it states the same purpose: shipping the rudder :-) There is a quite similar drawing in NMM ZAZ. "... to facilitate the hanging of the rudder." Not to be mistaken: Marquardt shows in Schoners a hole as part of a lock, but placed far more inside See N#2. Cheers, Daniel
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Thank you popeye, this is like I was guessing in first place Just getting together facts. - The holes are on purpose and go though and are - in case of the Constitution - even lined with lead - the placement appears well chosen and is even recorded in official plans - the lead usually points to a rope passing through as it avoids chafing If I understand the description well, it is like the sketch I did some time ago for the original discussion in the makeover thread: - If the rudder is hanging over the guedons, it can be directed into the right position by two ropes - The red rope can pull the rudder into the starboard direction and can be released by pulling port, the green vica-versa. - Once the rudder is in place, noboby has to dive to undo the fixing of the ropes, one just pulls them out
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Yes - Röding :-) XXXDAn
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There should be no iron work if the rudder is coppered :-) But you are right, mostly wood, one would suggest the rudder to float. But still it was found on the seabed after 200 years. XXXDAn
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You are on the right track :-) XXXDan
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The search machinery is working full sail, no safety to the masts ;-) Got two hints in our german forum: - Dom Fernando als shows reinforced holes on the rudder - Constitution´s plans from the 1930ies show apparently the holes as 2 inch lead bushings. XXXDAn
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No, your first guess was better :-) Good spot with the square hole, that is an essential feature of these parts. They do usually not come in pairs ;-) XXXDAn
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Most wonderful work as always! XXXDAn
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Careful young tiger, this is serious model making! We are not laughing, we are suffering our arses off! XXXDAn
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If a debutante is meant to be introduced to society, she will have to pass the official procedure. Beforehand one was trying to make her look as great and big as possible ... ... but from near the austern comment was "oh... how cute" ... ... but even though the small one was appearently wort a closer investigation ... ... and had to reveal her most inner secrets and turn all her intimate inside out ... ... also the family tree was checked ... ... everything was well documented ... ... and afterwards the jury went into seclusion. The stern question was arised "Pauli, what do you think? Do you think she is good enough for my boy?" ... ... and the incorruptibly voice of the truth spoke "Fiiiits - fiiiiits" ... ... and by then even Robert was able to burst into a a liberating laughter ... ... and dafi was happy that he finally was able to present his lil´girl with the funny stripes to him, him the handsome 74 from 1798 after Stalkartt :-) What a nice couple they give :-) And while the kids were palying, it was dafi´s night out with sweet Caoline :-) They had a wunderful night, the gent of course is not telling details, but it was an experience, but you know, first night out together, there is of course no touching allowed, that is why stern papa Robert kept the display case closed. XXXDAn http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/1749-hmy-royal-caroline-1749-by-tarjack-made-from-bone-m-1-50/page-10
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At least we agree it is a hole :-) For me it does not look like a pike as the hole goes completely perpendicular with the same diameter on each side. Normal damagees also would get a square patch, seen on several other places, not neatly riveted around. But on the other side, I found some more interesting bits: A picture of a recent restoration shows also a hole going through on the bottom of the rudder. And the most intriguing find is a wreck apparently in front of a spanish navy school and could possibly reveal the sense of the hole ... ... and on the other side bolt and ring missing but the setup is predictable. This makes sense as clearly there was a bolt attached for each side. The ring attached also could explain the horizontal marks that can be seen in one of the Constitutions holes :-) So the riddle continues in a sense of what or why the rings were for. XXXDAn
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Mike from our german forum just provided a picture of St. Georges rudder, lost in start of December 1811 and now on display in Thorsminde. It shows the same kind of holes as the Constitution, even in the same places and the aft hole lower. To much findings about this item to be a sheer coincidence imho :-) XXXDAn
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Thank you Tar and Kevin :-) No Tar, even though you are on the right track, not just quite. Your statement is correct for bigger wheels/trucks, but these halfs are not meant to become "wheels". Interesting is that some artifacts in Thorsminde and from other wrecks show usually trucks made from a single piece. Perhaps just for the smaller guns? XXXDAn
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A while ago we had a nice discussion about sone holes in Constitution´s rudder. #131 popeye2sea gave some nice detail shots: Best guess for the holes was so far to be for heaving in and out the rudder, also to be able to relieve the pintles. In the Deutschen Museum in Munich I discovered a small detail ... ... and found it too on the Ewer Maria :-) There was a roll included as the rudder had to be lifted more frequently. Looking deeper in NMM ... ... the pictures of the remains of the rudder of the wreck of the Royal George, with the holes on similar places as Constitution. PAD7942 und PAD 5957 On the pictures that I know of the rudder of St. George in Thorsminde it is not to be seen due to the quality, does anybody has good pictures of this rudder? Cheers, Daniel
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Thank you all fot the nice comments and likes! And ... ...hihihihihi... ... at least ONE that pays attentien ;-) The Minions did not brake it, the "wheels" are meant to be like that. So what did Jan spot? Wahthefookisit? XXXDan
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