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No good picture as it shows several ships that never encountered each other in those outfits: It is a commemorative picture of some of Nelsons ships, painted without being there, hence the anachronisms in Vic´s stern. But BE is quite right. Me too I never saw the color from the research in any of the contemporary pictures apart from Santissima Trinidad. Would like to know more about the way, that they used to get to this result. The piece of mast - said to be original - shows almost nato olive/drab if still authentic. Funnily, the pictures of my second visit of the Vic show a color like this, but i think the white balance was wrong then. Or was it premonitory?!? XXXDAn
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Too much "Hello Kitty" That was Nelsons biggest trick: The paint: The french lying on the decks of laughter and could not fight any more properly ´cos of the tears in their eyes ;-) XXXDAn See also: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/11229-hms-victory-re-paint/#entry341339 -
"... whon knows were this will end ..." This will end straight in the heart of the year 2525 ... ... or sooner ... ... or later ... XXXDAn
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Hello Kitty ;-) No wonder the french got irritated ... XXXDAn
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And now, wittness a moment of historical grandeur: It is finally invented, the WIMMELMODEL! Look for the 3 minions ... ... papagena ... ... banana ... ... bunda ... ...hihihihihihi... XXXDAn
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Hello Jan perfectly right. This is is a replacement "slide" in case the original axis is damaged and no spare wheel could be fixed. I think with the adrenalin up the crew would manage to somehow lift the gun by the means of jacks or levers to replace the missing wheel. The half wheel has the square hole to fit the original axxis and the missing "wings" are no problem if the nails go in at an angle of 45°, anyway much easier to hammer ;-) Röding was a tea merchant that published his work in between 1793 and 1798, so being contemporary to Steel. His work even went straight into the first german Deutsches Wörterbuch (English: The German Dictionary) from Brothers Grimm in 1838 (also known for their fairy tales collection). XXXDAn
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Just found tome 4 :-) https://ia902700.us.archive.org/2/items/bub_gb_SOZWAAAAcAAJ/bub_gb_SOZWAAAAcAAJ.pdf XXXDAn
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Figure 321 if that helps :-) You have a link for the online edition of the text books? Cheers, Daniel
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@ Henry: Wonderful catch at the Encyclopedia Britannica ! Are there any pictures from the act of shipping Constitution´s rudder? That would be the confirming piece. Cheers, Daniel
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... an´now comes Röding :-) Allgemeines Worterbuch der Marine – 1798 by Johann Hinrich Roding https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Hinrich_Röding http://www.lot-tissimo.com/de/i/9163564/roeding-woerterbuch-der-marine-3-bde-schiffahrt-roeding-j-h-allgemeines-woerterbuch-der-marine-in http://www.zvab.com/buch-suchen/titel/allgemeines-woerterbuch-der-marine/autor/roeding XXXDAn
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Some more hints is Nares (I hope as it was late when I found it ... :-) Eventhough it is an emergency rudder it states the same purpose: shipping the rudder :-) There is a quite similar drawing in NMM ZAZ. "... to facilitate the hanging of the rudder." Not to be mistaken: Marquardt shows in Schoners a hole as part of a lock, but placed far more inside See N#2. Cheers, Daniel
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Thank you popeye, this is like I was guessing in first place Just getting together facts. - The holes are on purpose and go though and are - in case of the Constitution - even lined with lead - the placement appears well chosen and is even recorded in official plans - the lead usually points to a rope passing through as it avoids chafing If I understand the description well, it is like the sketch I did some time ago for the original discussion in the makeover thread: - If the rudder is hanging over the guedons, it can be directed into the right position by two ropes - The red rope can pull the rudder into the starboard direction and can be released by pulling port, the green vica-versa. - Once the rudder is in place, noboby has to dive to undo the fixing of the ropes, one just pulls them out
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Yes - Röding :-) XXXDAn
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There should be no iron work if the rudder is coppered :-) But you are right, mostly wood, one would suggest the rudder to float. But still it was found on the seabed after 200 years. XXXDAn
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You are on the right track :-) XXXDan
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The search machinery is working full sail, no safety to the masts ;-) Got two hints in our german forum: - Dom Fernando als shows reinforced holes on the rudder - Constitution´s plans from the 1930ies show apparently the holes as 2 inch lead bushings. XXXDAn
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No, your first guess was better :-) Good spot with the square hole, that is an essential feature of these parts. They do usually not come in pairs ;-) XXXDAn
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Most wonderful work as always! XXXDAn
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Careful young tiger, this is serious model making! We are not laughing, we are suffering our arses off! XXXDAn
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If a debutante is meant to be introduced to society, she will have to pass the official procedure. Beforehand one was trying to make her look as great and big as possible ... ... but from near the austern comment was "oh... how cute" ... ... but even though the small one was appearently wort a closer investigation ... ... and had to reveal her most inner secrets and turn all her intimate inside out ... ... also the family tree was checked ... ... everything was well documented ... ... and afterwards the jury went into seclusion. The stern question was arised "Pauli, what do you think? Do you think she is good enough for my boy?" ... ... and the incorruptibly voice of the truth spoke "Fiiiits - fiiiiits" ... ... and by then even Robert was able to burst into a a liberating laughter ... ... and dafi was happy that he finally was able to present his lil´girl with the funny stripes to him, him the handsome 74 from 1798 after Stalkartt :-) What a nice couple they give :-) And while the kids were palying, it was dafi´s night out with sweet Caoline :-) They had a wunderful night, the gent of course is not telling details, but it was an experience, but you know, first night out together, there is of course no touching allowed, that is why stern papa Robert kept the display case closed. XXXDAn http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/1749-hmy-royal-caroline-1749-by-tarjack-made-from-bone-m-1-50/page-10
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