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Sounds good to me! PM sent. Many thanks.

Thanks druxey, sounds interesting but I don't have that. Does it have a date?

Hi Per, Thanks, maybe a version of this image? I wish I knew the date of that carriage. The arrangement of the rear 'wheels' look more like rounded skids than working trucks. This image below is interesting but I haven't tracked down the identity of the carronade shown. It was exhibited at ' Artillery on Parade 2016 ' according to Captain Google. Open to suggestions. Someone may know the back-story and I may be chasing shadows. Bruce

Hello Allan, Thanks for the useful answer. It is probable that my subject (HMS Pickle in 1805) did indeed have the traversing type of carriage that was common at the time, and your answer certainly helps support that idea. The reason I am looking for the alternative, a four wheeled (trucked) carriage of the style used for cannons, is based on a statement I came across some time ago concerning the use of carronades on smaller craft with limited armament such as dispatch boats and revenue cutters. In these cases the carronade was mounted on a ‘four wheeled’ carriage ‘as would a cannon of similar weight of shot’. The reason given was simple: it was quicker to relocate a carriage of this type than the more common traversing mounting. In the heat of the moment a bow-chaser could be rigged or the weight of a broadside increased considerably faster and with a ship the size of Pickle (pierced for 14 guns but carrying four) this could be vital. So this practice does seem to make sense and if it was used prior to Trafalgar there is a good chance Pickle had carronades on cannon-type carriages. If the practice was common I would have expected to find drawings of carriages of this type prior to 1808. It is possible the four wheel trucks that came in around 1808 to 1815 are in response to this requirement, so I may be barking up the wrong tree. I asked in the hope of someone producing a drawing or reference from 1805 or earlier that would at least prove it was a viable idea. Regards, Bruce

I could use some help please. I’m looking for plans for an English 12 pounder carronade carriage circa 1800-1805, the four wheeled type used on smaller sloops/schooners. Maybe the answer is to scale up/down another carriage, but I would like to know the rules if this is the case. Thanks, Bruce

Hello Jfinan, You have received a variety of points of view, so good luck with making your choice. My tool of choice is the Unimat SL but it can only handle modest lengths without using an accessory called 'extensions'. Bob in post #7 laid it all out. As Bob has said, the bits and bobs to add to the lathe to make it useful can cost a lot but, since I don't know where you live, thought it worth pointing out that in the UK the Sherline is not well known, expensive and (as far as I know) only available through one source. The Sherline has a good reputation but the North American market seems to have 95% of them. The second hand Unimats in the UK will probably hold their value but avoid the red plastic 'UNIMAT BASIC' which is everywhere. It is a toy and you will do better with a drill and a steady hand.

I feel the same way when I am reading about CAD, but when I am at my workbench with a piece of wood I use what I have and am satisfied.

... and Indi and Aggie were both from the same yard, subject to the same decisions and whims. As the only two of the class from that yard, the odds are certainly with you. The NMM folio I mentioned in an earlier post is a long shot but worth a phone call. I have usually had such queries answered within a week, quicker if it does not require a physical check. Imperieuse would be a great subject. Bruce

Hello druxey. Maybe I am not seeing something. It is described as Wylie in the post. I know it is more modern (Wylie died about 1974?). Bruce

Trust is hard to come by in research. I hope that my prodding of the subject is welcomed, but feel free to say if you have already covered all sources. Until recently, I earned my crust as a researcher. Now I have retired it is difficult to break old habits so I dug a bit. Have you asked the NMM about the contents of folio ADUB0340? The description of this folio is sparse but includes a misspelling of the ship's name and may not have come up in routine searches. With no dates, it may or may not be your Agamemnon. As the only other class ship produced at Bucklers Yard was Agamemnon, I see why the Indefatigable plans are such an appealing prospect. Bruce

It was about the time that the powers-that-be started to get serious about standardization and, who knows, it may have reached the subject of framing/windows? The Pocock painting in post #289 above has some merit as a source: it was a contemporary work by an artist who was famed for doing research on his subject. He may have 'blinged up' some aspects but there was no profit in changing such details as windows. If he included eight windows he probably did not think the ship had seven. Has anyone looked at the logs of the ship? Details crop up, especially around the time work in a dockyard happens. HTH Bruce

Chris, it's me again. Harold Wyllie painting “Launch of the 'Agamemnon', Buckler's Hard, 1781” Again, don’t know what you have already seen so apologies if this is ‘old news’. Bruce

Hello Chris, I certainly don't want to second-guess what research you have already done but this stern view of Aggie was painted in 1810. The artist was Nicholas Pocock, highly regarded as a researcher with a reputation for fidelity and detail. The painting depicts Aggie in June 1796. HTH Bruce

Yank? Things have changed since my last visit to Oklahoma.

'Splicing the Mainbrace' is sailor-speak for 'have a drink'. Good looking model. Regards, Bruce

Hello Steve Welcome to MSW. It is a great place.

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That is the way I have drawn my plans without actually stopping to think about it. Thanks for the confirmation.

Pete, that is nice work. I think I looked at those pictures some time ago when I was cogitating and can see the advantages: it is almost like a solid hull.

Jaager, I have had good results from the holly I have cut so far. I sealed the ends soon after cutting and because the tree came down in winter (so I have been told) the odds are better. I think the blue mould is less of a problem over here but it definately can happen. The deck is the area where I want to stick close to the pale white holly colour so, if some of it shows discolouration, I will use the best for the deck and the duff stuff for the hull planking which will be painted/stained and coppered. I have about six of lengths as in the photo which is enough for my modelling needs, I expect, and more wood is seasoning from a cull last year. It is beautiful wood. Bruce

Thanks Roger, it is now on my to-do list for tomorrow after the Grand Prix. Bruce

I am cheating. The holly is from my garden, brought down by high winds in December 2013 and stashed in anticipation of this project. The first layer will be something else, perhaps beech or Sapele, both are available. Actually, I suppose that since I have a free hand the priority should be something easy to shape and sand for the first layer. Now that I have seen the responses I have started adjusting the frame drawings to allow for the two layers. Thanks Mike. Bruce

Thank you Roger, I will look at that log. I still have time to adapt.

Many thanks, Kurt. I am glad MSW is here for pooling iinformation. Before cutting a single piece of wood for my retirement project ship-build I have had the benefit of advice from experienced builders. Having spent time researching and drawing, digging and digesting, it is good to know that I have served a 'mini-apprenticeship' and enjoyed doing it.

OK, this helped. ... and ... Jason, I will do a double planked hull. This was my Plan A but I needed to be told that I wasn't missing a trick. Kurt, your comment on spacing was a bulls-eye because this was what alerted me that I was 'out of step' with other builds: my schooner will have plenty of bulkheads and the great majority of builds I had looked at with similar construction were single planked. Many thanks for the input. You may even see a build log before long! Bruce