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Dummy carriages on on: The main deck is currently drying underneath a small part of my library: Hopefully, I made deck thick enough to avoid the starving cow look, although I should probably have used poster board for the deck itself. That’s what I did for Hannah (corrugated frame with poster board decks) and it worked well. Oh well, too late now, lol. In all seriousness, the corrugated cardboard worked a lot better than the multi layered poster board that I used for the Prince de Neufchatel. Also, the Mont Marte PVA glue is great for card models. It doesn’t make a mess of the printed part of the model like the American equivalent does.
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Thank you very much! Gundecks are installed! Currently working on installing the dummy carriages: So far, so good!
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Steven, I am going to buy Conrad's All The World's Fighting Ships 1860-1905 before I start cutting. I photocopied the main deck of the Solferino to begin the process of reconciliation with the 1859 builders plans. The primary purpose of that build, at this point, is for research of the Magenta (which is mostly identical). The bow is to the right. At first inspection, on the stern is a raised platform that was not shown, either in the model in Paris, or in Orel’s Solferino. But I want to build Magenta as designed/first built, so I will add it. There is also a platform on the very stern, which is a grating. That will be included too. To the very right on the drawings (the far bow), there looks like gun emplacements. I’ll show those too. The plans also show an extra set of ladderwells going down into the hull by the main platform amidships. I’ll have to take that into account as well. This will definitely be a learning process, but it will be fun.
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Eberhard, Thank you very much! The research and the learning is my favorite part of model building.
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Thank you all very much for the likes and just for stopping by! Solferino’s above waterline framework is mostly complete. She still needs gundecks and the main deck. I photocopied the main deck to reconcile it with the 1859 builders plans, which I downloaded from the French Ministry of Defense’s website, adjusted the scale in The Gimp, and printed at Staples. The primary purpose of this build is for research for the sister ship, Magenta, which is also the lead ship of the class. The bow is to the right. At first inspection, on the stern is a raised platform that was not shown, either in the model in Paris, or in Orel’s Solferino. But I like the idea of including it for my Magenta, so I will. There is also a platform on the very stern, which is a grating. That will be included too, on my Magenta. To the very right on the drawings (the far bow), there looks like gun emplacements. I’ll probably show those too on my Magenta. The plans also show an extra set of ladderwells going down into the hull by the main platform amidships. I’ll have to take that into account as well. This is going to be fun!
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The author of the Osprey book didn’t cite anything in the section where he talked about the Solferino and the Magenta. In the further reading section the author pointed people to the Conway’s and Jane’s Press books. I don’t think much was a match for Krupp. Krupp was legendary. The 36 smoothbore 30-pounders and 16 50-pounders line up with the 52 broadside guns (not sure what caliber) that came with my Solferino. In other news, I found a good rigging plan for a 3-masted Barquentine in Harold Underhill’s Deepwater Sail, for the Magenta. In the same book there is one for a 3-masted barque, which will be important when I rig the Solferino (I can’t just leave it as a hull, plus I have the perfect spot for it in my office).
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I have 40 dummy gun carriages done. Here’s the barque rigging and sail plan from 1864: That will be useful when it’s time to cut masts and yards.
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It’s thin, and I’ll make allowances. I am very good at the fine art of improvisation, now (I’ve learned a lot from the members of this forum). The corrugated cardboard will give strength and rigidity. It will add some minor thickness, but the kit comes with “planking” that is cut to the final dimension.
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I’m still working on dummy gun carriages. I’ve made 29 so far. 23 to go! They are part of the first step. The framing parts have set up overnight and should be ready to go when I need them.
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Thank you very much! Yes, Magenta is over in the 1851-1900 section of the scratch builds. She’s still in the planning stage. The accessory build which I’m using for research is the Solferino in the 1851-1900 section of the kit builds.
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The start to this is remarkably similar to the start of the Hannah. The difference is that I didn’t draw the bulkheads this time. I used an Elmer’s glue stick to glue it to an old shipping box (it worked very well for the Hannah). While I’m waiting for that to dry, I have 52 dummy gun carriages to cut out and assemble! Model building reminds me of when I was a kid. I still want the box everything comes in. Seriously though, I never throw away old boxes that are still in good condition. I have a pile of EBay and Amazon boxes that I broke down and stacked in a closet for re-use. They have proven very good sources of cardboard.
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Thank you very much! According to European Ironclads 1860-75, Osprey book, the Magentas carried 16 x 7.6 in. Smoothbore Muzzle Loaders, 34 x 6.4 in. Rifled Breech Loaders and 2 x 8.9 in. Rifled Muzzle Loaders. The book also says that the French Navy upgraded the ordinance twice during the 1860s. I also have a copy of Conway’s All The World’s Fighting Ships 1860-1905 in my Amazon cart. If I cannot find any better information, I’ll probably use that loadout.
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It’s time to start Magenta. I am now ready to build my Solferino kit (as an accessory to this build) for reference regarding deck furniture and visible weaponry. I will combine that with the photos of the model in Paris to fill in the gaps in the builders plans. The first part of this process (after building the hull of Solferino) is going to involve relocating my shop to have a work space with a table big enough to lay out the plans. I promised my Admiral that she could have my old work space for a reading room that I would set up for her. Out of curiosity, does anyone else take vacation (read holiday for the British) time to work on their models?
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I’m getting frustrated with this build again. I am going to step away for a bit and work on my Magenta for a while. But, I’ll be back shortly. I’ve spent too much time and money to ever abandon Victory. I just need a break.
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This is an accessory build to my Magenta in the scratch build section. Solferino was a Magenta-Class Ironclad Broadside Battleship. I am using this model primarily for research purposes, regarding locations and dimensions of deck fittings. I have the builders plans for the Magenta (Solferino) already printed out in 1/72 scale, but those have very little in the way of deck furniture and nothing regarding weaponry. I am going to use this model, combined with the excellent photos that a forum member very generously sent me of the model in the Paris Maritime Museum, to fill in those gaps. Secondarily, this will make a nice desktop model for my office. The kit is an Orel Card Kit: It will eventually look like this: I have never built a card ship kit, but I have built two card ships from scratch following Ab Hoving’s most excellent Tutorial on building in card from scratch. If you haven’t read that tutorial, I strongly recommend it. It is what started me down the road to scratch building. This build will be interesting. I am looking forward to starting this model.
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The Orel kit of the Solferino looks very nice, and very detailed, especially considering the scale. I got mine off Amazon, and it got slightly roughed up in transit, but nothing major. It came in a bound magazine style booklet. There is a laser-cut set, a sail set and a dowel set that you can buy as an option. The construction appears to be a modified version of plank on bulkhead: The hull covering is similar to the method used by Ab Hoving in his tutorial, with vertical planking pieces, attaching directly to the frame. There is a nice description of the ship in the beginning of the booklet, but it is in Russian (at least I think it is Russian), which I do not know. The instructions are pretty good. They come in Russian (I think), English and German. The diagrams are very useful and detailed, but scattered throughout the booklet. The parts are printed on good quality paper. Most are printed on normal paper, with the intent to layer them on card, some are printed on cardstock and ready for use. On the whole, I am impressed with the quality of the kit. Orel makes a large line of steamers, including the Great Western and multiple Pre-Dreadnoughts. One of the things that I like about their kits is that they can be built full-hull (I do not particularly like waterline models). One thing I do not like is the scale of this particular kit. However, even considering the scale, I am impressed with the level of detail in this kit. Also, for the larger warships in this series, 1/200 is perfect.
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I agree! They are coming along nicely! Well done!
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P-51, LaGG-7, and Do-17 by Javlin
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