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Topsail schooner sail plans and rigging
EricWilliamMarshall replied to Dr PR's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
@Dr PR, I’m astounded by your work here! This is a gold mine! Many thanks for sharing some of the fruits of your labors!- 85 replies
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I fussed with the templates, marked the hull and started removing wood! I used a mini-belt sander for the outside curves and a Dremel tool with a sanding drum and with a bullet-shapped grind stone as well as 180 grit sand paper. After a great deal of time, I sanded the deck and then used a number 7 (in the English system) gouge to start removing wood from inside the bulwarks. I found securing the hull tricky. The curved shapes don’t lend themselves to clamping. I wound up holding the ship much like someone whittling. I have more chisel work to do but this isn’t a bad start.
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I did actually work on the ship. I found the given templates don’t match the ship’s plans. I did track down the drawing this set of plans was based on, in Chapelle’s book The Baltimore Clipper. The rights to the image below naturally belong to The Marine Research Society. Which in turn are from a plan by Marestier (number 6). I couldn’t find that plan but I ordered a copy of his book and I’ll share anything I find there.
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@VTHokiEE, I just tried some size 20 crochet thread called Ljiljan 20, which @Chuck also recommended. I have say it is darn nice. Here is a bit I did today, 4 stands to each of 3 points. The color is their ecru. I over-tensioned it on purpose. I’ll check out the Mara thread as well! I also have to figure out what is scale correct sizes and the like.
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It is worse than that! I plan to plank the solid hull. @Dr PR, I’d love to hear about your trials and tribulations regarding the rigging. While not the worst setup to be found at MSW, this will be my most complex so far, so, pardon the pun, we are in the same boat, @Tigersteve and @BobG welcome back! I hope I don’t disappoint!
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This kit comes with templates, which is nice but the stem-to-stern template doesn’t match the plan! Since I wish the plank the deck and hull, I need to tweak the templates to allow for the thickness of the planking material. I used tracing paper to achieve this.
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I’m tickled pink to hear such a kind word from you, the designer himself! Thank for your labors without which mine would have come to naught!
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I was watching some vids about making chisels and wound up watching this one. I enjoyed almost all of Sullivan’s videos. And the one below, struck a chord. But the true work is in the design. So I present my ‘hack’ for a quick a dirty and prototype. Just stab at an Amazon shipping box! While this is not interesting in itself. I put it in the category of ‘rapid prototyping’! I found myself hemming and hawing over what wood to cut for a prototype knowing I would ditch it later. The cardboard broke the stalemate and I will feel no guilt recycling the card board I would recycle anyway. Plus I return to an approach I like, one home for one tool within easy reach.
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Here are the results using the three ‘hooks’ with one, three and four threads each time (as well, as a single source thread). I’m happy to say it works as advertised. I have also posted a failure.
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I also just got one of Syren Ship Model’s Rope Rocket rope walks. It shipped to me almost instantly! The instructions were clear but for an earlier model, so I scratched my head a few times but no show stoppers. I used 100% polyester black thread. It isn’t great thread so I figured I would ‘waste it’ on learning to use the rope walk.
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Thanks again to everyone for your insights and support! My next adventure will be a double dose of the Baltimore clipper kit, Model Shipways’ the Dapper Tom.
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And now for your amusement and my possible edification, I’ll be attempting Model Shipways’ Dapper Tom. In a certain sense, this will be a dual log. I’ll be attempting restore a damaged finished Dapper Tom model that was on display in the Mathematics department where I work as well as working on new kit at the same time. For the new kit, I wish to work on planking the hull and the deck, (in my continued journey learn the skills of a true ship modeler). The new kit will also present the most rigging I have yet to encounter. So I invite one and all to pull up a seat and watch the hi-jinks.
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So tell us about your experience sailing!
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Did you make an progress?
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Kit recommendations based on a request.
EricWilliamMarshall replied to Guybrush's topic in Wood ship model kits
@grsjax, you would happen to know (at least, roughly) which issue(s). Dredging through the multiple indices of the NRJ yielded nothing for 'baltimore', 'tom', or 'dapper' except for 'Mast and Spar Dimensions for an 1835 Baltimore Clipper, 2/107' and hits on someone's first name or parts of other words (like 'Anatomy'). If you don't, no worries. -
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Similar to @vaddoc’s suggestion: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B079F4M762/?coliid=I10LBQ9FRTI0WW&colid=2R0NUE5D5V73H&psc=1
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I'm sure the ducks appreciate that. Despite the bumps in the road, she's looking good!
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Don’t worry! You still have time to start on both!
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I finally attached the rudder, with a bit of metal work. On an earlier model I attached it with paper and it kept falling off, so this time, it’s all metal. I used the first carving inverted behind the second one. That might be a slight historical liberty on my part, but I did see one fancifully painted, so I’m assuming a carving isn’t too far off. I had a chunk of cherry (from the ill-fated stool I mentioned earlier), which I cut on the table saw and cleaned up quickly with hand planes. I used 1/16th brass wire and hand drilled the holes to the same size. While I may circle back to do the rest of the oars and other bits, I’m going to call her done. Thanks to everyone who accompanied me on my little journey. For the curious, I would recommend the kit to those who are comfortable with clean plank bending, since there is no double planking and your work will be visible inside and out. When I bought this kit, it was pitched as beginner’s kit and it is longer sold that way. Having said that, the kit was quick to build, was resilient to my missteps and had great instructions. A tip of the hat to @Chuck for his aesthetic taste and design choices!
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Thanks ever so much! There is now one swimming from China with my name on it! I appreciate you taking the time to share that with me. I had looked a while back on eBay, but didn’t have the right phase, I guess. I tip my hat to you, @bruce d
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And there is now a power train retrofit. At some point, I would like to get or make some index plates. But I still need to learn the basic operations for metal work. In a few years, I would like to do work in the shadow of @michael mott or @wefalck ( I couldn’t type ‘similar’). It strikes me as an essential of the modelers pallet. And I like to think slightly less dangerous than similar full scale work.
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