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Nenad, the breadthwise curvature midships has 1,85 % height on midship centerline compared to the appropriate port / starboard deck edges (see enclosed Frame #8) For the longitudinal value you Need to use the Frame overview plan I am enclosing and check out the height of port / starboard deck edges. Projected into a side view you would get the % of that curvature Hope this is of help.... Nils midship mainframe use this plan for the longitudinal curvature, use CWL waterline as referance for distance to individual deck edges These curvatures I used for main decks and mid upper deck

Lou thank you I`m happy that this meets your interest Nils

build log part 3 am satisfied with the result so far making thoughts about prop outcut and rudder blade Arrangement, corresponding to one of the various changes after 1951 For manouvering in Harbor Areas, in South American ond other bay Locations, shallow Waters, and in lack of wind, a 1000 PSi Motor had been built in, as well as a 2,5 m dia 2-blade Propeller. The other Major changes after 1951 I shall Point out later on the coming planking will be so much easier if the stringers can be used as Counterparts to fasten the clamps. These stringers also give enormous strength to the planking itsself all well under way now here Comes the first plank (pine as Long as the hull 2 x 10 mm)for single layer planking. I cut These Planks myself out of fine structure boards from the crafters. This hull shall also be plated later, so the 2mm thick planking provides sufficient thickness for smoothing down the outer surface well enough for the plating thats partiall enough for the starboard side, pull up the port side planking now.... same Status from bow view both sides planking is heading for the keel Little propshaft mounted and 2-blade Propeller fixed (M3 thread) this is one of the three foreseen standbolts, because this weakens the keel there have been wooden reinforcement claddings fixed to it from both sides within the hull Build log part 4 to follow.... Nils

Build log part 2 working out and drawing the individual Frames in order to suit this build each Frame gets its own 1:1 drawing on paper rough cut out of the paper and fix on 4 or 5 mm thick plywood an obligatory base plate is set up to Keep all in alignment and to get (and keep) the keelline straight during the further build cut out Frames in preliminary set up, to see if all Frames are straking well cross check, yes it Looks like Pamirs lines of the early hull the model is being built keelside up, the Frames complete cut out, and the notches for the stringers done all looks well so far due to the fix on the baseplate all frames bear Surplus height, to bring (only interim, will be cut to suit later on)to the same level like a strong man Needs a strong Backbone, I have arranged for a "spine" 20 x 20 mm square beam to reinforce the hull for taking on the induced tensile stresses of all the stay and shrouds spanning, working on the hull later on. I never regretted to do this... well under way now, the stringers as well as the ships lines clearly to be seen now Build log part 3 to follow... Nils

Well the horse had just been saddled by now... but thanks for yor words B.E. The pics shall probably beginn tomorrow and the following... Nils

Danny are you sure you finish daily before midnight, it somehow reminds me of Cindarella... Cheers Nils

I am quite happy with this construction John, it is also affordable Nils

Thanks John, I trust it is the first Pamir on this Forum, or was there one in the lost MSW 1 ? Nils

Sailing ship, fourmast-barque PAMIR in scale 1:96 Introduction to this build log, by Nils Langemann For modeling one of the famous “Flying P-Liners” of the last century, my choice fell on the PAMIR because that ship probably would be supported with most available information one can get in the appropriate media. Much has been written about the various owners, the crews,the routes, etc, and all this illustrated on the web, in literature, reports, photos, paintings and models in all qualities and scales, without here considering many various very good moulded plastic kit models. Most of all was reported about the tragic loss in Sept. 1957 when the hurricane “Carrie” called for its tribute. 80 of 86 crew members, mostly young men, lost their lives after their ship had finally capsized and sank within minutes, southwest of the Azores islands of the Atlantic, this causing the to date largest and most intensive post WW2 international coordinated search and rescue operation in the civil marine history. Trust the older MSW members still remember the news-clips and film reports of the 6 wounded roughbeaten survivers and their pictures as they told their story, after being rescued from their broken lifeboat wreck-hulks and after several days ongoing struggle for life. Most of the available plans for modeling the 1905 at Blohm an Voss built and launched Pamir, as well as many models exhibited in worldwide museums show the Pamir in all versions as she looked like before 1951, several changes in paint and slight modifications, acc. To the owner and nations and to suit its owners cooperate identity appeal had been made. I was looking for an authentic plan of the version after the major changes at the Howaltswerke- Deutsche Werft, Kiel in northern Germany in years 1951 /1952, and after which the ship was under the Hamburg based subsiduary of shipping company Zerssen & Co, whereby the homeport was Lübeck. A couple of german shipping companies founded an association that together with Zerssen as the ship relevant managing part, enabled the training of young civil nautical and sailor-handcraft in a win-win situation for both trainees and shipping companies. The old well known Laeisz colour of the P-liners had been chosen again, and the ship, still being a trade cargo vessel under sails routed to South American ports around the Cape Hoorn performed many trips. At the same time the Passat, (today still afloat as Museumship in Travemünde near Lübeck, Germany) was also changed and appointed for same further activities. The plan of performed changes was available and purchased from the Howaltswerke shipyard, and for the Frame/ Bulkhead plan I found authentic original Blohm and Voss drawings in a book of Hamburgs sailing ships 1795-1945, Author Jürgen Meyer. This model took me two years to build, and it is comprising about 1950 manhours modeling. More about design, preparing for the build, construction as well as information on the model will be given along with the Build log sequences as they are posted…. The already completed model 1:96, length 119,5 cm, can be viewed in my album, topic “Gallery of completed scratch built models”, Pamir 4-mast barque version as 1957 For all that also love these wonderfull squarerigger tallships, enjyoy and stay tuned to the build log…. Nils I ca`nt realy say today how many log-parts in total it will take, it depends on how much interest the fellow MSW members shall have as to the extension of the individual build sequences. If the interest should be like it was with the Heinrich Kayser build log, it probably would be the "whole program" Nils here we go.... Build log part 1 I am lucky to have my own hobby-room office These are pics of the proud and sturdy built Pamir which hundreds of nautic Trainees may have in good rememberance in Sept 1957 came the shocking flash-News of the foundering of the ship, and also over the to date greatest post WW2 search and rescue Operation in civil marine history. This frightning realistic pencil drawing by Artist Franz Richter Johnsen I feel is so emotional touching. It is showing the Pamir in its agony just before capsizing (masts down) and thereafter to sink within minutes. That was an indication that the hull must have been broken, otherwise it would certainly have stayed afloat some hours, even in that illfated position, and the S&R Groups could have made her out better I was often asked what plan-drawings I had for doing this project, and would like to bring attention to two very informative books... (I am in no way associated with the authors or its Distribution) There is first : Hamburgs Segelschiffe 1795-1945, author, Jürgen Meyer, can be found preferably at book antiquariates it contains amoungst many other beautiful Tallships, copies of original Blohm + Voss Pamir plans. The Basic Frame / bulkheadplan was used for my model There is second : a relatively new publication, Die Letzten Flying P-liner, by Andreas Gondesen, who I consider as one of the best knowledgeable authors of the famous P-Liners, their History, as well as pointing out the differences between Pamirs several "Sister" ships, hardly known to the public. The great benefit of this book is the wonderful accurate detailed large plan in poster Formate of the Pamir in scale 1:100, that comes along included with the publication. (it is representing the Version before 1951 though), but never the less a must for Pamir modelers outcut from Gondesens Pamir plan many handscetches had been made by myself, here only some examples for those of you who know how good the extruded quality and precision of the Heller plastic Pamir kit and its moulds are in scale 1:150, I took the measurements for the various deckhousings from a wrecked plastic torso I found in a bin, and magnified these ratings to scale 1:96 Whoever does not know the Heller kit, please be advised, it is representing the precise Pamir Version of 1951 /1952 in top quality, but on a high skill Level Together with a plan comprising all the changes to the Pamir from Howaltswerke Deutsche Werft in Kiel, I was ready to get my project under steam at last...... Build log part 2 to follow...

Build log part 21 (this is the last part) This covers the self-built Heinrich Kayser`s glass dust-protection case first doing a sample, trial Corner Arrangement, enabling exact calculation of all to be cut lengths and for the to be ordered glass pannels from the crafters and a sample of the brass Corner pattern cutting out with a hand-jigsaw (metal blade) the glass pane bonnet 142 x 22 x 57 cm with its 4mm thick glass is quite heavy and it takes two persons to handle it very carfully. today I use different brass Corners and screws than These shown here, but to push out the boat.... the inner Corners are provided with slightly oversize sleeves that take up the positioning Pins on the case-baseplate the Frame Wood parts due to the required lengths have to be shafted i Chose cherry-stain for Wood for the case, which provides a nice warm tone, and then sealed with two coats of dull-gloss clear varnish I have to date made 5 cases by this way, all still in good solid condition and easy to clean Nils

build log part 20 a Little wooden chunk laying over two lower bulkhead portions takes up the press-in M5 nut for safely anchoring the stand bolts through the keel from beneath when I bought this coil of self adhesive alunminium foil I found it quite exspensive at 55,- Euros, but I am so pleased with the Quality an its well protected and effective glue film. If I remember right there once must have been appr 50 meters on the 10 cm broad roll, this enabling 4 models to be plated with and still there is enough for at least one further one to be plated. Here the baseboard with bulkhead positioning rails glued on (made from gathered old rocket sticks, newyear trash) The lifesaver rings I found at Billing Boats (nominal 12x12mm)would be in HO scale this Little 3,6 Inch Long Gem I found at Ebay once it is the rare Mercator # 069 made, scale 1:1250 tin cast "Bielefeld", a sistership of the Heinrich Kayser. Only difference to the Heinrich Kayser : Arrangement, lifeboats behind the work boats Here an illustrated Book cover showing a very nice watercolour painting of the Bielefeld in typical Deutsch-Australische-Dampfschiffahrtsgesellschaft funnel colours, steaming through the Northsea, this painting was performed by marine Artist Henry Albrecht. The original painting is probably in private hands here a very nice Picture of the USS Camden ex "Kiel" also a sistership that served for the US Navy, it is still bearing the old ratlines in the shrouds, as well as a second crows nest in the upper foremast Build log (last part)part 21 to follow....

Thank you so much for your Kind and appreciative words, Bindy, Crackers, Richard and Popeye and also many thanks to all other fellow members,for their Kind words, comments, questions, and appreciative pressing the "I like" Buttons. I feel very honored that this build log was so much liked through the building sequences. This provides me pleasure to prepare the next build log project Now to round up the Project I shall post the two last parts today also comprising a short look at the glass case making for dust protection, which is a must for such a model. It may have been recognized that the Pictures of the completed model are to be seen in my Album in "Gallery of scratch built completed models" If there should raise questions, comments,etc. to the build log parts, please feel free to ask me at any time, I shall be happy to answer Again, thanks for being tuned in - Auf Wiedersehen- Nils

Well done Jack ! not an easy scale you have Chosen, but it is turning into a beautiful Glocester fisherschoner Nils

I like this Little schoner of yours Bob neat planking, fine lines, Looks like it is going to be a Beauty Nils

lovely work Gaetan Nils

beautiful Details I love your work Karl Nils

Kevin thanks for sharing Nils

Building log part 19 The building is now slowly coming to its end (two more additional log parts to go), this all was reflecting 2 years of much motivated fun in modeling Bridge and wheelhouse Areas completed forecastle- and aft poopdeck sun shading Framework attached donkeyman at work colour of rust stains at the scuppers could be improved One optional thought : When I saw a Picture of her sistership (the USS Camden, ex Kiel) that was still bearing ratlines to the shrouds, that would provide nice authentic Appeal. Shall think about it These two gigs represent the Positioning and Fixing soldering devices for the bow and Stern sun shelter constructions. The holes are not portholes, they provide hold to the mini laundry-clamps for Fixing the brass beams when soldering This is what in my mind the to be exchanged Propellor in historic correct Version should look like. Perhaps I`ll build one in resin and have an Investment casting brass prop made... Build log part 20 to follow...

Build log part 18 forecastle railing painted looking at her from the floor of the shipyard float-dock plan crosscheck and flags hoisted Hamburg homeport Flyer above bowpost These are sand buckets for distinguishing funnel blow sparks and glimming particles falling down on decks. The bucket-racks go to the upper Bridge deck area. (sorry for the Background colour) this is second officer, Louis Fretwurst, comming from his inspection round, after recognizing that certain steering chain links will Need to be replaced soon, due to wear..., when the wheather calms down Machine assistant, Kurt Heilmann, is looking dowm from the boatdeck whilst Standing over the area where the steering steam engine is situated in the deckhousing beneath mess Steward, Johannes Steffens, is looking over the starboard side, dreaming of Christmas back home with his Family My grandfather (yellow coat, Holding binoculars) is watching out for icebergs this time of the year, whilst first officer, Richard Andreis, mid Bridge, with beard, is having a watchful eye on the Forward workdeck where donkeyman, Heinrich Grunewald, is securing the second hatch winch- and loadbeam tackle Stern (White) Nav. light mounted, Stern flagpost and Mooring clamps mounted Building log part 19 to follow...

Thank you Crackers,.. and for those Pictures, the model I aim to Introduce per build log on MSW shall be exactly fitted out as the Version in which she tragicly went down 1957 The to date already completed model can be viewed upfront in my Album in Topic "completed scratch built models" if you like Nils

Crackers, again Thank you for your Kind and appreciative words, yet there are still 4 buildlog parts to come...., hope you enjoy These as well this Weekend. If there were to choose a next build log from my behalf, it may be the toughest and most detailed shipmodel Project I ever did to date, where I spent a real intensive investigation and Research on, as well as many for myself new experienced modeling techniques, it is the the Tallship "The Pamir" Nils

Hi Popeye, Thank you I`m very happy if sharing this build log with others it might bring-in Inspiration to fellow builders, and also the appreciative response and nice comments of the MSW Boys and Girls has so far been very encouraging for me to do so. I hope we shall see some more steamships keellayed at this Forum Nils

Bugra, the material I use for deckrims is of 4x4 equal Long width, extruded or walzed brass angle in 0,5 mm thickness. Cut away v-Portion when bending an inner Corner and replace a Little plate in the Corner when using for an outside Corner rim. Be careful when bending the Corner for the extruded brass is brittle due to the way it was brought into its straight Rating. I tried to aneal in bending area with gasflame and quench in cold water (should freeze in the anealed microstructure), but you Need to do some Trials with a scrap Piece of bar. Its a bit tricky because its a game of directed heat application versa cooling down neighbour area with Little mass intensive moveable "heatsuckers" If the bend shall crack, it can be soldered together again, but that may cause someone to loose the last few Grey hairs... ammendment: Bugra, the forecastle- and the poopdeck bear no extra rims, there the stanchions hold very stable in the decks basic 1,5 mm thick aero Plywood. The holes drilled into deck 0,1 mm smaller than the stanchion foots Cheers Nils unfortunately I have no better Close ups in this Moment than These 3 pics Hope this helps...

Build log part 17 there was at this time the question if partial "canvas" sea and wheather protection Panels (like Trampolin way ) should be attached to the inner side of the railing or not. decision was to let it be this and the next six Pictures are self explaining... 0,4mm brass wires are fiddled into the 0,43 mmm holes in the four hole railing stanchions, pre-lining up These is easier for mounting finaly made it all around the Long poopdeck with 1 or 2 stanchion losses, but luckily with no false borings in the deck rims Build log part 18 to follow....

Hi Danny I think I can feel with you when you took this on, because Facelifting a junk model anyone can do somehow, but you are taking the "not mean Task" for a challenge to your superb skills in Performance to even turn Shabby into Gold, respect !!! I admire your way of Tackling this Project, please do not give up down the way, good success Nils