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  1. Thanks :) It´s far from being done, though.



    A wireframe of your model would be nice, it´s easier to see problematic areas. Especially if you worry about polycount, most parts don´t need an excessive amount of triangles:




    I try to emulate how the planks would have been on a real ship, much easier to texture and you usually get away with using less triangles and still have a relatively smooth hull.


    Edit Oh, and 'wt' is 'wing transom' :)


  2. Off to a good start, it seems, bow is looking much better.


    But if you really want a nice looking model, take Mark's advice and redo the stern area, especially the quarter galleries.



    The hull goes all the way to the 'back' of the ship, the quarter galleries are just a nicely curved extension and not part of the hull structure.Untitled.thumb.jpg.a0a6ef2efaf950a35b8642bf576cd5ab.jpg

    The wales stop at the wing transom (your wt should be straight, by the way, the round wing transom on my model was a particularity of the naval architect who designed this ship).



    Anyway, you've already made a fine looking model, happy blending! ;)


  3. Just talked with my boss and I'm going to extend my spring holidays till at least the end of April and self-isolate as much as possible. My gf runs a couple of pharmacies in a rather rural area here, so I really need to limit the risks of of getting her infected at home as much as possible. If she´s getting ill and her stores have to close for a couple weeks would be disastrous, especially as she supplies a retirement home and offers home delivery for a lot of elderly people.


    On the bright side, lots of time to get into the hobby again, which I'm really looking forward to. Re-reading 'Frigate Commander' at the moment and sorting my ship plan collection.

  4. 42 minutes ago, mtaylor said:

    Thanks, I've printed it out and will be checking it out.  I've heard the Danish have lots of these items but how did they acquire it? 

    Through industrial espionage missions educational trips of their shipwright trainees. These were a part of the very thorough education danish naval engineers received on the way to the top post of fabrikmester (with tasks similiar to the british surveyor). For example, Frantz Hohlenberg travelled to France, England, the Netherlands, Italy and Sweden before he was recalled to Danemark.



    There's one characteristic "step" about the same location on the hull as that on Licorne.

    Um, 'step'? The transition from 'normal' planking/diminishing strakes to the wales? :)

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    Otherwise I'd say the constitution has much more in common in terms of hull form with Chapman's Bellona/Venus than with either the Forte or the South Carolina.


    It´s actually the Venus (that´s not the Bellona-class Venus) from the danish archives and Vial du Clairbois' L'Embuscade which have almost the same main frame as the Conny. I´d love to know where I put those comparison pictures, though :P



    What is the record on the bellona's performance? I can't say I know much about that class beyond its existence.


    The only 'hard' data - i.e. speed in knots - I know of is the ship log of the Diana during her cruise across the Atlantic when she repeatedly made 14 knots. Otherwise these ships were famed for their stability under sail and their sturdiness (and - initially -  their armament, as they got their 24-pounders from 1783 onwards).

    If I remember correctly, Endymion´s speed with a battery of 24-pounders was 13.5 knots, with 18-pounders 14.2.

    For a first-hand comparison of both classes, one might have to dig through russian archives as they made 10+  copies of the Venus and also build a couple of Endymions :P


    By the way, is there any data on how the fir Endymions compared to the original? And to Leander and Newcastle?





    After looking through my files, I might have to add another ship to the 18-pounder frigate list in my post above: the danish Havfruen-class.

    26*18-pounders on rather modest 148' 3'', capable of 10.6 knots close-hauled and 13 running free.





  6. Great post, John!




    I always read that the best frigates, other than the Americans built 1799-1804 approx., were French ships, captured and reworked by the British.





    Well, I think France had two 'peaks' when their naval designs - especially their frigates - were superior to that of other nations; first one was the tenure of Blaise Pangalo as master shipwright at Brest at the turn of the 17th century, second one was when Blaise Ollivier held the same post for a rather brief period in the middle of the 18th century. After all, it was him who finalised the design of the 'true' sailing frigate - i.e. a cruiser with two continuous decks - and the famous 'apple-shaped' body that was so typical of french (and danish) frigates until the end of the Napoleonic Wars.


    It´s a pity Ollivier died before he could contribute to the next step in frigate design, building larger ships that could carry a battery of 12-pounders. So it was up to Sir Thomas Slade to develop the 'stars' of this class, the Nigers and the Lowestoft. These ships set the standard for this type of frigate in the middle of the 1750s and still were at the end of the 18th century ( honourable mention goes to the american Hancock and Guignance´s Dédaigneuse-class, though).


    Which 18-pounder class was the 'best' is up for debate. Maybe Rule´s Livelys, maybe Sané´s Pallas-class,  maybe even Constellation/Congress.


    When it comes to 24-pounder frigates and when we take into account what BW posted above  - cruising endurance, cost, manning requirement, firepower, speed, stability, strength, longevity - , then there´s only one pick for me, af Chapman´s Bellona-class.

    La Forte/L'Ègyptienne supposedly had their problems with strength/longevity and the United States-class falls a bit short in the cost departement :P


  7. Bava might appreciate the conjugation, since deck lines were a problem when he put the old files into blender. Gosh, I love the people here. They push and poke and prod and make one do it right. Anyway ...



    We´re good at nit-picking, aren´t we?


    And thank you very much for the email!! Sent my request today, maybe there will be two versions of La Cornélie, one according to your plans and one as La Cybéle as a frégate rasée.

  8. Super Arbeit, Johann, bin echt begeistert!


    And you probably already know this painting, but I think it´s worth showing:



    Épisode de l'expédition du Mexique en 1838 by Horace Vernet. It shows the Prince of Joinville on the poop of La Créole, listening to the reports of the vessel´s Lieutenant, Penaud and sees the explosion of the tower of the Fort of Saint-Jean d'Ulloa on 27 November 1838.


    By the way, do we know anything about the sailing qualities of La Créole?

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