chris watton
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I have learned over the years (decades even) that every modeller has his or her own method of planking. No matter how I show any method, someone will say it is wrong. All I can say for Trial is that the first planking took 4 hours in total (an afternoon), with tapering for every plank and a light soak in water and hand bending some planks. This was by far the easiest and quickest hull I have ever planked. Usually, in other kits, the first planking is 1.5mm thick. In mine, the lime is 1mm in all but Indefatigable kits, so it should be quite pliable. I think people worry too much about the clinker effect in certain areas of the hull, and expect the surface to be glass smooth. I have always had the clinker effect and I have never seen this as an issue. But this is me, and there will be many others who have a different view. I have also never once in my life used a plank bender, but 99% of the time use my fingers to manipulate the planks when a little wet, or, if the bend required is more severe, I just use an old rusty pair of pliers to do the job.- 134 replies
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I am sure the gunwales that have expanded are made from 'Flexible Beechwood Strip'. I have used this before, but never again. As soon as a little water gets into it, it expands wildly. I don't envy you....
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It really is no big deal. I have many books that show the extra detail on the carriages, and many books that do not. If you prefer plain wheels for the carriages, it is simply a case of a very light sanding to remove the light etched detail, or even simpler, just fix the wheels so the detail is on the inside. Either way, the choice is there.
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There really sin't a lot of difference, size wise, between the 24 and 32 pounder barrels, the latter being a tad 'fatter', and that's it, as they're the same length.
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Watching you progress and hone your skills with each model has been a delight. Enjoy your holiday!
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Post is awful, your barrels were posted two days ago!
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Oars would add a little more expense, as they would be a whole sheet of pear, and the pear sheet count is already very high for what I hope was a £240 kit. It is something I have thought of, however, so will see. I still may put it on hold anyway.
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46 guns in total, 26 x 24 pounders, 2 x 12 pounder longs guns and 18 x 42 pounder carronades. Classed as a 38 gun frigate at the time!
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Even my wife loves the Trial Cutter. So much so that she said it can be displayed in the living room, and that;'s where it is. Adder does have a couple of things going for it, it has a nice flat stern, so easy to plank there, and I have done my best to make adding the pre cut bulwarks around the bow as painless as possible - plus you get two full fat 24 pounders! It seems these were not coppered straight away, but on average a year after launch, so I will do the bottom white.
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Funny you say that, I have considered more than once whilst developing this if it's worth continuing, and abandoning the development, as it's not exactly a looker...
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That is my thinking. I am also thinking that perhaps the chasers had some kind of 'chock' along the bow that touched the front trucks/wheels.
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The upper tiller was an auxiliary, as there is another tiller arm that runs below the upper deck (which is operated with the ships wheel). So the upper tiller arm may not have been fitted in place if not required.
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When designing Revenge, I was in close contact with an expert of this period (I no longer have his details, as this was 15 years ago). Revenge was a very large vessel for her time, and I was told she would have had that upper lateen yard. This is also shown in many contemporary pictures, so I was advised to add it.
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Here are the channel changes, from one plan to the next, plus the downward 'camber' at the bow.
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If I added an extra gun port aft of the main channels when every plan of the Acute Class (and there are a lot of them) does not show this, then it would no longer be an accurate (or as near as damn it) representation of an Acute Class gun brig, but fantasy. As Andy points out, it seems the fore deck was designed specifically for carriage guns, to minimise the recoil of the carriage. The drop down at the fore deck is significant. Having said that about the plans, they did 'Troll' me in one area, the main channels and mast. On the main profile the main mast is a couple of feet forward of where it is indicated on the deck and cutaway profile plans. I always use the main profile for the hull and major fittings and the deck for the deck fittings positions) . However, when I fitted the fore most main channel to my model, which secured just one chainplate, I realised this single channel was too far forward (just aft of the side steps) of the main mast (how did I miss this when drawing the parts..). The deck and side cutaway profile chainplates/channels are not the same as the main lines plan. Easy enough fix, though, I just had to re do the aft most main channel to incorporate and extra chainplate slot. The rudder appears to have two tillers, the lower one I assume was fitted with the tackle for the wheel, running under the upper deck, and the upper tiller having an auxiliary role
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I thought that, but I still feel this is too early for such carriages, and I suspect later gun brigs changed to sliding carriages as a result of the lessons learned from these 2nd generation vessels. Also, it looks like the second gun port from the front was for the long guns, so they would need to be moved. ETA - Plus the fact that fore deck droops down means that it must have been designed that way specifically for carriage mounted guns, presumably to lessen the recoil.
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The gap along the edges is intentional, as I saw no need to bring the edges of the deck right to the edges of the bulwarks, negating the need for possible sanding.
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I have been progressing with a small/medium kit before plunging into another long term development. All designs/laser cut files are done, including three PE sheets, and now I am working on drawings. Once all drawings are complete, I shall start building the model for the manual, and may do a build log. This is the gun brig Adder, of the Acute Class of 1797. My two main sources state it is a 14 gun brig, 12 x 18 pounder carronades and 2 x 24 pounders in the bow - but they may have been 12 gun brigs, as the only way to get the extra two carronades in position is to fill the stern chaser ports.
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It is a great looking ship, and quite formidable in her time, as the French found out at the Battle of Quiberon Bay (1759). Can't wait to see how much that figurehead will cost me....
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Mid-19th Century has little appeal for me, am more of a 17th and 18th Century aesthetic kind of guy!
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That does look very cool!
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If I 100% had my way, all three of those would be next, plus Phoebe!
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I only mentioned the galleon as I have some prevoius designs for it - but to be honest, not really my thing...
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