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glbarlow got a reaction from Saburo in HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 by glbarlow - FINISHED - 1:48
Thanks Chuck, I understand and good point. I haven't touched the sheer yet, I plan to wait until the other side is done so I can even them both up at the same time. I'll run a board along the top with a level to make sure I don't get out of whack on one side. I left the top planks just a tad higher than the bulkhead extensions to make sure I had a little room to work with.
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glbarlow got a reaction from Zarkon in HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 by glbarlow - FINISHED - 1:48
Thanks Rusty!
The wow factor of a single light coat of wipe on poly (not even dry yet). While it serves to highlight where more sanding is needed (but I knew that) it certainly serves to demonstrate the Alaskan Yellow Cedar is pretty nice stuff.
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glbarlow got a reaction from Saburo in HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 by glbarlow - FINISHED - 1:48
Thanks Rusty!
The wow factor of a single light coat of wipe on poly (not even dry yet). While it serves to highlight where more sanding is needed (but I knew that) it certainly serves to demonstrate the Alaskan Yellow Cedar is pretty nice stuff.
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glbarlow got a reaction from EricWilliamMarshall in HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 by glbarlow - FINISHED - 1:48
Thanks Rusty!
The wow factor of a single light coat of wipe on poly (not even dry yet). While it serves to highlight where more sanding is needed (but I knew that) it certainly serves to demonstrate the Alaskan Yellow Cedar is pretty nice stuff.
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glbarlow got a reaction from Ryland Craze in HM Cutter Alert by prototypep3 - Vanguard Models - 1/64th scale
Do a topic search on Chuck Passaro's plank bending and planking tutorial in general. It's a game changer. I works great and is relatively easy to do once you get the hang of it. The only tool you need is a small travel iron.
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glbarlow got a reaction from Saburo in HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 by glbarlow - FINISHED - 1:48
I’ve finished Starboard above the wales. It’s very slow going measuring out each of the 4 planks (one just 1/16th, the others 5/32) between the ports to keep the 1/64th rabbet. I've only done preliminary sanding I don't need to go to far on that as yet.
I wish I could impart some sage wisdom on cutting these, but its just grinding it out with careful measure and cutting. More finely and carefully than I’ve ever had to do on any kit. I finally determined the best way for me is using my Veritas mini- chisels to cut the planks on carefully measured and marked lines using the sides as the ports to mark the angle from the in-board side.
I will have to build up the sill on port 3 by 1/64th. I have a plan, but it will keep until I thin out the bulwarks and before I put in the false deck, so a while from now. I’ve already tried it, it works. Still it’s pretty amazing to me with all that it took with aligning port sills and wales to the frame to get here that I was that close to being right. Once again I attribute it to the design, Chuck's great monograph, and some peaceful patience on my part (something I’m that good at). In case you missed it earlier, the green gaffer tape (a photographers best friend, it leaves no residue and is thicker than blue painters tape) is to protect the keel while the ship is in the Amati keel holder for working angles.
Wondering if I should I apply a coat of wipe-on poly to this completed side above the wales, or wait until later. I’ve already lightly sanded parts of the stem and keel and plan to re-apply poly there after I’ve completed the above wales planking and stern before starting on planking below the wales. Any thoughts on the timing of the poly? I will be sanding it more later, just don’t want to over-sand at this point. This single planking stuff can cause some anxiety knowing what I see now is what I’ll always see…
Now on to port side…
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glbarlow reacted to Chuck in HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 by glbarlow - FINISHED - 1:48
It certainly is...that looks very good. Try and even out the sheer though. It has some dips and needs to be a nice even curve. A graceful line before you put the cap rail on.
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glbarlow reacted to trippwj in HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 by glbarlow - FINISHED - 1:48
Beautiful work so far on the planking - each of my current bulds has ground to a screeching halt as i continue to struggle getting my 2D mind to grasp 3D bends and curves!
I'll be watching to see how you handle some of the curves - and hopefully I can apply the tecchniques to my builds.
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glbarlow reacted to Jim T in HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 by glbarlow - FINISHED - 1:48
I'm wondering if folks ever apply a coat of Sanding Sealer before the first coat of Wipe On Poly?
Jim
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glbarlow reacted to VTHokiEE in HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 by glbarlow - FINISHED - 1:48
Nice work so far! Hopefully I didn't miss this from earlier, but is the planking pattern laid out in the plans?
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glbarlow got a reaction from DmitriyMarkov in HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 by glbarlow - FINISHED - 1:48
Thanks Rusty!
The wow factor of a single light coat of wipe on poly (not even dry yet). While it serves to highlight where more sanding is needed (but I knew that) it certainly serves to demonstrate the Alaskan Yellow Cedar is pretty nice stuff.
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glbarlow got a reaction from EricWilliamMarshall in HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 by glbarlow - FINISHED - 1:48
I’ve finished Starboard above the wales. It’s very slow going measuring out each of the 4 planks (one just 1/16th, the others 5/32) between the ports to keep the 1/64th rabbet. I've only done preliminary sanding I don't need to go to far on that as yet.
I wish I could impart some sage wisdom on cutting these, but its just grinding it out with careful measure and cutting. More finely and carefully than I’ve ever had to do on any kit. I finally determined the best way for me is using my Veritas mini- chisels to cut the planks on carefully measured and marked lines using the sides as the ports to mark the angle from the in-board side.
I will have to build up the sill on port 3 by 1/64th. I have a plan, but it will keep until I thin out the bulwarks and before I put in the false deck, so a while from now. I’ve already tried it, it works. Still it’s pretty amazing to me with all that it took with aligning port sills and wales to the frame to get here that I was that close to being right. Once again I attribute it to the design, Chuck's great monograph, and some peaceful patience on my part (something I’m that good at). In case you missed it earlier, the green gaffer tape (a photographers best friend, it leaves no residue and is thicker than blue painters tape) is to protect the keel while the ship is in the Amati keel holder for working angles.
Wondering if I should I apply a coat of wipe-on poly to this completed side above the wales, or wait until later. I’ve already lightly sanded parts of the stem and keel and plan to re-apply poly there after I’ve completed the above wales planking and stern before starting on planking below the wales. Any thoughts on the timing of the poly? I will be sanding it more later, just don’t want to over-sand at this point. This single planking stuff can cause some anxiety knowing what I see now is what I’ll always see…
Now on to port side…
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glbarlow reacted to Rustyj in HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 by glbarlow - FINISHED - 1:48
Looks great Glenn. A coat of poly now is what I normally do.
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glbarlow got a reaction from DmitriyMarkov in HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 by glbarlow - FINISHED - 1:48
I’ve finished Starboard above the wales. It’s very slow going measuring out each of the 4 planks (one just 1/16th, the others 5/32) between the ports to keep the 1/64th rabbet. I've only done preliminary sanding I don't need to go to far on that as yet.
I wish I could impart some sage wisdom on cutting these, but its just grinding it out with careful measure and cutting. More finely and carefully than I’ve ever had to do on any kit. I finally determined the best way for me is using my Veritas mini- chisels to cut the planks on carefully measured and marked lines using the sides as the ports to mark the angle from the in-board side.
I will have to build up the sill on port 3 by 1/64th. I have a plan, but it will keep until I thin out the bulwarks and before I put in the false deck, so a while from now. I’ve already tried it, it works. Still it’s pretty amazing to me with all that it took with aligning port sills and wales to the frame to get here that I was that close to being right. Once again I attribute it to the design, Chuck's great monograph, and some peaceful patience on my part (something I’m that good at). In case you missed it earlier, the green gaffer tape (a photographers best friend, it leaves no residue and is thicker than blue painters tape) is to protect the keel while the ship is in the Amati keel holder for working angles.
Wondering if I should I apply a coat of wipe-on poly to this completed side above the wales, or wait until later. I’ve already lightly sanded parts of the stem and keel and plan to re-apply poly there after I’ve completed the above wales planking and stern before starting on planking below the wales. Any thoughts on the timing of the poly? I will be sanding it more later, just don’t want to over-sand at this point. This single planking stuff can cause some anxiety knowing what I see now is what I’ll always see…
Now on to port side…
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glbarlow got a reaction from mtbediz in HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 by glbarlow - FINISHED - 1:48
I’ve finished Starboard above the wales. It’s very slow going measuring out each of the 4 planks (one just 1/16th, the others 5/32) between the ports to keep the 1/64th rabbet. I've only done preliminary sanding I don't need to go to far on that as yet.
I wish I could impart some sage wisdom on cutting these, but its just grinding it out with careful measure and cutting. More finely and carefully than I’ve ever had to do on any kit. I finally determined the best way for me is using my Veritas mini- chisels to cut the planks on carefully measured and marked lines using the sides as the ports to mark the angle from the in-board side.
I will have to build up the sill on port 3 by 1/64th. I have a plan, but it will keep until I thin out the bulwarks and before I put in the false deck, so a while from now. I’ve already tried it, it works. Still it’s pretty amazing to me with all that it took with aligning port sills and wales to the frame to get here that I was that close to being right. Once again I attribute it to the design, Chuck's great monograph, and some peaceful patience on my part (something I’m that good at). In case you missed it earlier, the green gaffer tape (a photographers best friend, it leaves no residue and is thicker than blue painters tape) is to protect the keel while the ship is in the Amati keel holder for working angles.
Wondering if I should I apply a coat of wipe-on poly to this completed side above the wales, or wait until later. I’ve already lightly sanded parts of the stem and keel and plan to re-apply poly there after I’ve completed the above wales planking and stern before starting on planking below the wales. Any thoughts on the timing of the poly? I will be sanding it more later, just don’t want to over-sand at this point. This single planking stuff can cause some anxiety knowing what I see now is what I’ll always see…
Now on to port side…
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glbarlow got a reaction from Matle in Mini Table Saw recommendations
Let’s not buy these. No different than buying ZHL models, it’s IP theft. Jim Byrnes shouldn’t lose money to Chinese knockoffs
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glbarlow got a reaction from mtaylor in HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 by glbarlow - FINISHED - 1:48
I’ve finished Starboard above the wales. It’s very slow going measuring out each of the 4 planks (one just 1/16th, the others 5/32) between the ports to keep the 1/64th rabbet. I've only done preliminary sanding I don't need to go to far on that as yet.
I wish I could impart some sage wisdom on cutting these, but its just grinding it out with careful measure and cutting. More finely and carefully than I’ve ever had to do on any kit. I finally determined the best way for me is using my Veritas mini- chisels to cut the planks on carefully measured and marked lines using the sides as the ports to mark the angle from the in-board side.
I will have to build up the sill on port 3 by 1/64th. I have a plan, but it will keep until I thin out the bulwarks and before I put in the false deck, so a while from now. I’ve already tried it, it works. Still it’s pretty amazing to me with all that it took with aligning port sills and wales to the frame to get here that I was that close to being right. Once again I attribute it to the design, Chuck's great monograph, and some peaceful patience on my part (something I’m that good at). In case you missed it earlier, the green gaffer tape (a photographers best friend, it leaves no residue and is thicker than blue painters tape) is to protect the keel while the ship is in the Amati keel holder for working angles.
Wondering if I should I apply a coat of wipe-on poly to this completed side above the wales, or wait until later. I’ve already lightly sanded parts of the stem and keel and plan to re-apply poly there after I’ve completed the above wales planking and stern before starting on planking below the wales. Any thoughts on the timing of the poly? I will be sanding it more later, just don’t want to over-sand at this point. This single planking stuff can cause some anxiety knowing what I see now is what I’ll always see…
Now on to port side…
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glbarlow got a reaction from Saburo in HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 by glbarlow - FINISHED - 1:48
Completing the square tuck is the final step of building the ships skeleton. I was glad to learn the plan template as I cut it out from a sheet of 1/32 cedar fit with just a few adjustments. So far everything is standing up to being where it;s supposed to be.
The next step is planking the wales by first marking where then go. I started with the reference lines and then smoothed out the curve until it looked right. I found that if something looked wavy I could just remove the nail at that point having placed ones to either side of it. Definitely don’t want a nail in every frame to allow it to flow. I took my time until I felt good about it then did the other side.
I love it when a plan comes together. Having done all that, I thought lets just check the distance between each port and the wales agains the plans. I used my millimeter ruler and I wasn’t just close, I was right on the distance - on both sides. How the hell did that happen. I have to attribute it to the design, I don’t think I’m near that good.
After painting the gun ports I started on the wales. I’ve never done a single planked ship before, really hoping I can get the planking tight enough so it doesn’t look like a sieve. I sort of wish the wood was long enough to have a single run for this lower layer of the wales, but I might as well get used to running short planks. I’ll be doing a lot of that from here on in. It took several hours to get one side done.
The small 1/16rh piece marks the lower edge of the ports and the distance to plank between that and the wales. I came pretty close to the goal of leaving a 1/64th rabbit above the piece - I never really thought about how small 1/64th is. I used a piece of my batten, coincidently 1/64th thick as a bit of a tool to measure.
I’ve lightly sanded the stem and keel. I’ll put on another coat of wipe on poly later, no need at this point. I'm starting to think of posting smaller photos, these high quality large photos show too much 😕
Almost every step something I haven’t done before, it’s an adventure. Hoping it looks like it’s suppose to look…
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glbarlow reacted to Bossman in HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 by glbarlow - FINISHED - 1:48
Very nice Glenn. I have the Cheerful up next and will be watching your build closely.
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glbarlow got a reaction from Edwardkenway in HMS Speedy by Delf - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 - Master Shipwright edition
I did full rigging for Pegasus, Granado, and Pickle. While it is hard and scale is a challenge it is worth it. With as good a job as you’re doing on Speedy I think you’d later regret not doing it. I’m looking forward to it for Cheerful at 1:48.
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glbarlow reacted to VTHokiEE in HMS Speedy by Delf - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 - Master Shipwright edition
It’s looking great! I’ve started placing the ironwork for the cannons on my build (not a Speedy) as well and wow there are a lot of small pieces to make... I think I’m going to regret my decision to rig the guns, that is until they are rigged and done then I’ll be really glad that I did 🙂.
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glbarlow reacted to DelF in HMS Speedy by Delf - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 - Master Shipwright edition
Thank you Don and Bill - much appreciated, and thanks as always for all the likes.
I got on with the channels, deadeyes and chainplates today.
The laser-cut channels were easy to fit, being perfectly matched to the curve of the hull. I followed the advice in the instructions and drilled holes for short pins in the back edges of the channels to make them extra secure. The chainplates came as photo etch parts and I decided to use blackening solution rather than paint, as described in an earlier post:
The method I used was to rub the PE with a fine sanding stick followed by a cloth dipped in isopropyl alcohol, before applying Brass Black. After a minute or so I rinsed the PE in cold water, separated the chainplates from the sheet, rubbed them gently with a dry cloth to remove any loose surface blackening and dipped them in Brass Black again for a minute before final rinsing.
To insert deadeyes you have to widen the loops in the deadeyes. I found the best way to do this was by slipping the chainplate over a tapered metal rod and pressing it down until the loop was wide enough. In this photo I'm using Glenn's doggy dental tool (again!):
Once the deadeye was in place I use my fine-nose pliers to pinch the loop back up:
Here's the port side in place. I've not nailed the chainplates in position - once I've completed the starboard side I'll fit the masts temporarily so I can line the chainplates properly up with the shrouds.
I must say I'm impressed with the quality of the deadeyes and rigging blocks that come with Speedy - much better than other kits I've had. Btw, you can see in the photo that I've started the long and laborious process of fitting all the ironwork associated with the cannon - four rings in the bulwarks and one in the deck for each gun - ie ten pieces of photo etch for each of the 14 cannon. These I airbrushed for speed, which seemed to work very well.
Derek
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glbarlow got a reaction from Saburo in HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 by glbarlow - FINISHED - 1:48
It’s starting to look like a ship. Every single plank takes time.
The good news is the time on the fairing was well spent. I’ve only lightly sanded so far, I’m going to wait until everything above the wales is complete for doing any serious sanding.
It’s going to take a really long time to finish above the wales. Not only maintaining the 1/64th rabbit on the sides of the ports, but also cutting the proper angles of each plank between the ports. Slow and careful.
Having finished the run below the ports on both sides I decided to give myself a little reward for the day by planking up the sheer at the stern. Right now there are two 1/16th strips in that run flush with the other planks. Later I’ll cut a fashion strip above both those, no idea how but I’ll figure it out then I guess.
So back to cutting properly angled lengths of planks in very precise lengths, 64 of them to be exact, well 60 more since I did that stern second to day. I won’t complain about kit gunport patterns ever again.
I'm hoping this is how its supposed to look...
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glbarlow got a reaction from Ron Burns in HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 by glbarlow - FINISHED - 1:48
Completing the square tuck is the final step of building the ships skeleton. I was glad to learn the plan template as I cut it out from a sheet of 1/32 cedar fit with just a few adjustments. So far everything is standing up to being where it;s supposed to be.
The next step is planking the wales by first marking where then go. I started with the reference lines and then smoothed out the curve until it looked right. I found that if something looked wavy I could just remove the nail at that point having placed ones to either side of it. Definitely don’t want a nail in every frame to allow it to flow. I took my time until I felt good about it then did the other side.
I love it when a plan comes together. Having done all that, I thought lets just check the distance between each port and the wales agains the plans. I used my millimeter ruler and I wasn’t just close, I was right on the distance - on both sides. How the hell did that happen. I have to attribute it to the design, I don’t think I’m near that good.
After painting the gun ports I started on the wales. I’ve never done a single planked ship before, really hoping I can get the planking tight enough so it doesn’t look like a sieve. I sort of wish the wood was long enough to have a single run for this lower layer of the wales, but I might as well get used to running short planks. I’ll be doing a lot of that from here on in. It took several hours to get one side done.
The small 1/16rh piece marks the lower edge of the ports and the distance to plank between that and the wales. I came pretty close to the goal of leaving a 1/64th rabbit above the piece - I never really thought about how small 1/64th is. I used a piece of my batten, coincidently 1/64th thick as a bit of a tool to measure.
I’ve lightly sanded the stem and keel. I’ll put on another coat of wipe on poly later, no need at this point. I'm starting to think of posting smaller photos, these high quality large photos show too much 😕
Almost every step something I haven’t done before, it’s an adventure. Hoping it looks like it’s suppose to look…
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glbarlow got a reaction from Saburo in HM Cutter Cheerful 1806 by glbarlow - FINISHED - 1:48
Short log for a lot of work. As noted by @Chuck instructions and multiple Cheerful logs this part, seemingly simple, takes a lot of “fiddling” as my English friends say. I’ll be honest and say while I finished with 2 sills and 2 lintels, more than 4 were used in the making of this stern.
Cutting out the stern pattern from a copy of the plans is the first step to get a feel and mark where they go. But that in itself isn’t enough.
I modified my port shaper for these smaller ports, its a great jig to both get the size right, keep the port squared, and with the help of various levels to get the sill parallel with the waterline (matching to another level not shown here setting at midship positioned bow to stern). And for those taking notes, the level was straight when I wasn't posing it for photos.
Definitely an opportunity to demonstrate patience and taking the time to get it right. I almost settled at one point with one slightly off but quickly said no I’m not doing that.
Though still a bit more fairing to do, including the top of the frames, but that comes later. In the end I got there, a little smarter than when I started.