Treebeard

What beautiful work Gary.  It’s not that you have not been busy with other more important things.  
guy

Hi Jason, yes I saw that indeed.  I am debating. 
I’ve been told that eventually there will be a reprint. 
thanks

guy

Thanks Keith. I found the same. Pretty pricy to buy both. 
best !  Guy

Hi Folks,

I bought Vol 1 of this series from Seawatch Books.  I wanted to buy Vol 2 but it is out of stock for over a year now.

https://seawatchbooks.com/products/the-naiad-frigate-38-1797-volume-ii-by-ed-tosti

Does anyone have a volume 2 with prints to sell?  I don't need the whole set..

Thanks!

Guy

Heh.. the Orion.. boy does that bring back memories from Charleston.. base is now closed.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Orion_(AS-18)

Welcome aboard Joe!

Greetings from STS2(SS) Guy Mengel.  I was in Navy from 1974->1980 on Fast Attack Subs (SSN 649) in pic.. and then on tiger teams.

You are way down southwest in VA.. Coal and good OT music!  

I hope you enjoy the site. I have indeed.  I am working on a outer banks fishing ship (I will put a log up when I am a bit further along) is a fully POF model.. lofting frames just now..

Welcome aboard!  (PS.. most here are in the Goat locker (age wise)). It would be difficult for me to get down the ladder to the diesel room (for quiet) these days..

Best!

Guy

On 1/26/2023 at 8:15 PM, bdgiantman2 said:

Interesting project. Will you be making her a Brig or a Schooner?

Hi Sir,

Most likely a top-sail schooner.  I have not gotten that far yet!  Thanks for asking!

Guy

Hi Chapman,

Yes you are correct.  

I don't want to cause any confusion but this link shows the HMS Orestes ex dutch

I should have caught this. The RMG site is so so very hard to navigate and sometimes searches just disappear and the search results are just plain wrong.  

Thanks for the note on the Musquidobit from Admiral Paris (online).. I will search for the link. But so far no success.

I had not heard of these plans before.

I will fix the original post. I have not been feeling well, thus have not posted. apologies.

Guy

Good day.

I am starting the POF build of the 1816 Musquidobit.

The Drawings are ZAZ6139 Lines https://www.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/rmgc-object-85930

                             ZAZ6140 upper and lower decks https://www.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/rmgc-object-85931

The lines drawing ZAZ6139  at RMG is slightly damaged now.  I have attached an image.

My line drawing gotten from RMG years ago is not damaged. (attached)

I also received 2 nice copies from a friend on MSW of both the lines and decks.

Notes:

1. I will be manually drafting the frames and re-drawing lines. 
   1. Reason, manually drawing helps the brain heal and develop new connections.  I had 2 right cerebral strokes.
2. Some initial discussions were held here: Lynx-Musquidobit-construction methods
3. Set up frames per discussion and learn.
4. This will take me a bit of time. I will use my camera to share the drawings with you as well as any manually drawn things to understand how this was done.

I will be updating this with some historic information too.  I live just off the upper Rappahannock river where lower down  where the US Lynx was captured.  MAP

Thanks to all (especially friends made here)

PS. If things seem a bit terse. Please bear with me.

Guy

Hi Pete, 

A technical question and I think one of a lot of discussion.

I have all the plans and am starting to understand how to lay out my frames ( I am going to build a framed model, or try to do so).

There is ~ a 2 deg drag in the boat.  It is drawn with stations (and looks to be frames ) perpendicular to the water line. From this I am thinking that the frames are set perpendicular to the water line and not the frame.  At least that is what I am thinking I see.

I have all of Mr. Cothers books and am going to frame according to it.  There is a large section on frames and keels.

I am thinking to put the frames in perpendicular to the water line and not the keel.  Is my thinking correct?

Thanks for all your help!

Guy

I see.. I am so sorry.. maybe I will continue his legacy using EDT' Naiad treatease with prints..  maybe he would be pleased.

Guy

Hi All,

I have enjoyed this build and am sad that Paul is not updating it.  I sent him a message over a month ago and it has not been read.  

Anyway. HMS Sirius has been a love of mine for a while indeed.   I hope Paul comes back!  I would love to see (or do) a fully rigged model..

I hope he is ok.

Guy

Hi all and Phil.. 

I love schooners, always have. I just ordered  The Global Schooner by Karl Heinz Marquardt, Naval Institute Press, Annapolis, Maryland, USA but it is not inexpensive.  I have most all of Chapelles works too. 

Thanks Phil.

Guy

Hi USS Frolick,

What a nice first read.  I will need to get the CD with the articles stated.  I will do this in a month or so, due to a somewhat limited funding.. heh..

Thanks for the article again!

Off to Cad.

Guy

5 minutes ago, uss frolick said:

There was a two part series of nicely written articles in the NRJ a while back on the history of the Epervier, viz., Vol. 41, No's 2 and 3, June and September, 1996. It was called "Lost By Two Navies: HMS Epervier, A Most Unfortunate Ship", written by J.R. Mc Cleary.

 

I posted transcripts of the British Court of Enquiry for her loss a while back, which is fun to read:

 

 

 

Hi Uss Frolick!

Thanks for this.  I am still reading a lot of things but this is great too.. I will read with gusto.. 

Guy

Hi Allan. 

Those are the ones I have. The one of the columbine is very very nice and has a lot of writing for the other builds as well. These are beautiful. Indeed. 

“Epervier might make an interesting variation of Caldercraft/Jotika’s Cruizer with the fore and aft platforms and the armament change.  She could also be built as she appeared in either the Royal Navy or the US Navy.  The US Navy had hull drawings made which were redrawn by Howard I. Chapelle for his book The History of the American Sailing Navy.  These drawings also show the changes made for US service: increased mast rake, lowered gun ports and a low rail on top of the bulwarks at the forecastle platform.^1”

Hi Dave, I have greatly enjoyed your articles on the Cruizer class. I really liked the idea of using the Epervier as a build idea as it was taken into the American Sailing Navy per the book (one of my favorites).  I have been looking for a long term build POF for myself for a while now.. I am considering a 74 (Montague) but it is huge at 1/4 scale.  The Cruzier has some free high res drawings to use as well as a framing diagram to use and is about 1/2 the size.  I have on order the Naiad book first volume to use as a reference as well.  

I do have the Caldercraft/Jotika Cruzier but don’t want to build a kit.. the drawings are limited to POB  and I wanted to do more.

Anyone for an inexpensive kit?  Anyway.. More later as I just downloaded the drawings and will input them into my CAD I think in the next few days.. I will keep my eyes out for your books.  You have a gift in writing.

Thanks!~

Guy..

PS… I would like to stay with the USN in my builds around 1812 or so.. too..

16 hours ago, AON said:

Nothing done on my build the last couple weeks.

Recovery from another needle in my eye, 47th wedding anniversary, 69th birthday.

 

 

The next time will be better.

 

I wanted to say Happy Anniversay and Happy Birthday.  I enjoy your work immensly.   Wait till you see the log I will be starting soon..  Heh it will be a good chuckle for all.  Thanks for all you do and this blog.

Guy

A beautiful Job!  Wonderful to behold

Guy

Hi all, I really like learning things from AON, Gary and Mark.  What a neat discussion.

Quick question (for Gary).  What book are those images you posted showing the framining?

Thanks!

Guy

Hi rodger. That's the first thing I checked. They are square using my triangles and engineering squares. 

Jud,  this was local for me. I have a smaller parallel board. Nothing like yours. I am on a limited budget and driving distance after my two right cerebral strokes. Doing what I can with what I have. 

Guy

Thanks a lot for the help here! Pete, Roger, Allan! I found a useable vemco vtrack and used board to set up on an existing table.  I vyko(?) cover as it had come loose.. the guy I got it from locally only wanted the oak table this was mounted on... heh.. I wanted the other.

I will be creating a log once I determine what I am going to build (pictures posted then).  I have a lot of old drafting tools (many inkers, but I wont use these). I will be building 1/4" scale.. so its going to be bigger.  The scales on the vemco came with 1/4" and 1/2" scales which will be nice.   I could go the CAD route (Im an IT guy.. but use Linux almost exclusively) I have the QCAD pro for simple things.  Gimp and Inkscape for PDF stuff and measuring and best of all a great local printer that will print things for me from any number of formats. 

I will have to re-draft much though and that will be a fun thing for me. 

I have a great friend in the southeast that is helping me a lot.. 🙂

Thanks again!

Guy

Hello Shipman, thank you.  I will look into that book.  I have Chapmans book on boat building and small craft.

I will be manually drafting my own drawings for a ship.  I do plan a log.  It has been many years since I sat at a table.

I have been looking through things to see how others have done this.  I am finding pieces and parts but nothing showing or descrribing how they lofted and created drawings for a build..  I am 66.  My dad was a civil engineer and did all his own drawings and I have most of his drafting tools.. some from his great uncle.. anyway. still hunting. 

I found the article on lofting a good read.. now to do it on paper in 1/4"=1foot.. 1779 style

Thanks!

Guy

Hi all. As I was looking into drafting manually frames, I read this article. It is very interesting and the lofts man was a very special techical person... 

https://www.theloftsman.com/lofting-design

the spaces used were huge!  One does wonder how the huge frames were lofted for the 74's. And ships like them.  The wood was huge!

enjoy

guy

A beautiful ship from a craftsman with many skills!  Thanks for posting this!