Haven 12 1/2' by pete48 - 1" = 1' Scale - Joel White version

[dgbot]

Looking good Pete, question for you.  What is the reason for using rubbing alcohol.

David B

[pete48]

Hello, David B., The reason for the use of Rubbing Alcohol is that it evaporates faster than Water making the bent parts usable more quickly 

 

Best Regards,

Pete

[pete48]

I have a few corrections to make, In my first posting, I stated that everything is square to a base line as opposed to the Water line in order for the Drawings not to be altered, The Fact ( after a side by side comparison between the drawings ) is that the Herreshoff 12 1/2 is also square to a base line as opposed to thew Water line . this means that my 1 off 12 1/2 is wrong ( into the reject pile it goes ) the bow on the Haven is slightly sharper and the frames are close to station 5 not 7 as I had stated before. Back to square 1 on the 12 1/2.  Here is a pic of the drawings the Drawing on top is the Haven 

[Omega1234]

Seriously? Not the reject pile? Is there a possibility you'll still complete the hull, but not identify it as a Herreshoff?

[mtaylor]

I'm with Daniel... it's just not the frames that are off then?  

[pete48]

Ok, Patrick, I will just say put it down for a while, The frames are still correct, so it's not a complete loss, just some re working of the frames heights to match the  base line 

 

Best Regards,

Pete

[pete48]

I'm with Daniel... it's just not the frames that are off then?  

Hello, Mark, The frames are Correct they just need to be re aligned 

 

Best Regards,

Pete

[dgbot]

Hopefully it will not be a major rework and fortunately you caught it now instead of later.

David B

[pete48]

Hi David B., The nice thing is I did not start a build log for that boat, that was the second or third problem that I had with it ( for me this usually means it's going to be one of those builds ) so for me its best to just forget about it for a while, it has been a total learning experience, and in my excitement for haveing the plans I over looked important information and just started cutting away. and like I said I am glad that I did not start a build log for that boat 

 

Best Regards,

Pete

[pete48]

Today, I started by Bending in the final rib at the stern knee, ( port and starboard ) Next, I installed the deck clamps, and trimmed the ribs down, they will still need to be sanded. I then turned my attention to the bow section deck clamps ( forward of station 7 ) these sit below the sheer line, so that they pick up the load of the deck beams, wich were cut and installed,after the Breast hook was installed.  The bow section is roughed in along with the Cockpit bulkheads. ( wich have not been glued in ) Now it's decision time, If I make her a Sailing version, I will make a steel centerboard wich will be fixed in the down position. If I make her Static, then I will make the Centerboard as per plan. That being said, over the past few days( while waiting for paint to dry/wood soaking ) I re worked the molds and started bending the ribs over the molds. Next will be to finish the floor framing,  and finish the bulkheads. Here are the Results

[Omega1234]

Hi Pete

 

I really like the intricate look of the hull, now that the bent ribs have been installed.

 

As for 'decision time', I'm not sure which way you're leaning at the moment. Nonetheless, I'm sure whatever you choose will be good. However, if it was me, I'd be going for the sailing version...but hey...no pressure!

 

Cheers

 

Patrick

Edited January 29, 2016 by Omega1234

[pete48]

Thank You, Patrick, I am building her in the same manner as the Full size boat, I am still not sure how the Keel is going to work out, I think once I've got it figured out, I will determine whether to Sail her or not. I am leaning toward Sailing her. ( Pond style no radio ) 

 

Best Regards,

Pete

[Jim Lad]

Pete,

 

As you're building at a fairly large scale, would it be possible to build her as a sailing version but with a working drop centreboard? perhaps you could have a pin to fix the centreboard down for sailing.

 

John

[pete48]

Hello, John, Originally, that is what I thought,  My problem is the Ballast, ( not having enough ) I encountered the same problem on the 1st Buzzards Bay 14, and ended up filling the bilge with the weight needed, On this one, I am going to make the center board out of 1/8" steel in the down position, I think that this plus the Keel will give me the ballast needed, without cluttering up the Bilge

 

Best Regards,

Pete

 

Edited January 28, 2016 by Pete48

[pete48]

Today, I decided that I would make her a Sailing version, I started by laying out the Keel. First I took the lines drawing and transferred the Keel to 1/ 16" basswood, cut out the parts needed and glued up the Keel. I then faired outside of the Keel.  I now had an empty shell, I then raided my Tackle box grabbed a few bags of sinkers and cut the lead to fit in the shell, To seal it all up, I used Titebond 3 wood glue. ( Water proof ) and Like I said to John, I will make a centerboard in the down position out of 1/8" steel, and that should give me the weight needed. Here are the results

[pete48]

Today, I started by cutting the ribs in the bow section down to the sheer line. ( station 7 forward ) I then Brushed on Titebond 3 to the bow section and aft section behind station 19. This will seal up these 2 areas,  Next I worked on the Centerboard box, first by laying it out from the plans and then getting it to the proper width, in this case it took 1/8" plus 3/32" bass wood, I then decided to finish it off with Teak ( thank you Michael ) I then dry fit it into position, I decided to make a new station 7 bulkhead and applied Teak and dry fit it as well.( I will add Teak to the station 19 bulkhead as well) Next will be to Install the floor framing and add the rear deck beams. Here are the results

[Jim Lad]

Looking good, Pete!

 

John

[pete48]

Thank you, John, I think the Teak will definitely make a diference 

 

Best Regards,

Pete

[Omega1234]

Hi Pete

 

She's looking better and better all the time, especially now that the keel and centre board housing, etc are being installed.

 

Have you given her a name, yet?

 

I'm looking forward to the first voyage.

 

All the best!

 

Patrick

Edited January 30, 2016 by Omega1234

[pete48]

Thank You, Patrick, No name yet ( right now she is No. 1 with No. 2  started see the next posting) I look forward to seeing her sail. Should be fun

 

Best Regards,

Pete 

[pete48]

Here is an update on No. 2 the ribs are bent the Stem, Transom and Knee are made. The Keel is bent and ready to be laid. I think this keel will finish better than on No. 1 Here is where she is at 

[Engelmann]

Hi Pete

 

They are really coming on nicely.

And with 2 you could hold your own regattas

 

Cheers

 

Deon

[pete48]

Thank you, Deon, On the second one, I am doing some things that I wished I had done on the first one 

 

Best Regards,

Pete

[captainbob]

Pete, do you have experience with Titebond 3 as the only sealant or are you also using epoxy?

 

Bob

[pete48]

Hi, Cap'n'Bob, I did use The Titebond 3 on another build as the only sealant, and it worked out really well, However, I will be using West System to attach the Keel and coat the outside of the Hull. 

 

Best Regards,

Pete

[pete48]

Here is an update on the 12 1/2 one-off, I figured out what needed to happen to make the frames work out. Starting with the 12 1/2 plans ( Herreshoff ) measuring from the waterline to the base line , I would have to lower the transom 7/16". so the slope is 7/16" to zero over 16, so this means I would have to remove all the frames, I pondered this since discovering the problem, Today, I decided to remove the frames, this proved to be difficult and I went thru a lot of blades. I will say this Titebond 3 is some really strong stuff, and does not come apart without taking the majority of the wood with it. I then decided that I would cut the remaining frames off at the blocks, fortunately, I was able to save the frames ( I taped them together and put them away ) I then used a framing hammer and a 1" chisel to remove the blocks, I will re-purpose the Baseboard for the Garden Eel. I can't believe that took all day. Here are the results

[michael mott]

Drastic measures indeed.

 

Michael

[pete48]

It had to be done Michael, there was no way around it, At least I don't have to look at it anymore and I can get back to more important things ( it was a bad distraction ) 

 

Best Regards,

Pete

[Omega1234]

Probably sad, but true, Pete. But, now that it's done, at least you can move forward with both hulls.

 

Cheers

 

Patrick

[pete48]

Absolutely Patrick, I would like to build the Herreshoff 12 1/2 the same way this one is being built, ( Herreshoff Mfg. ) I have a few boats that need to be completed first. then I can think about the Herreshoff12 1/2. it has been a learning experience.

 

Best Regards,

Pete