igorcap Posted February 25, 2016 Share #1 Posted February 25, 2016 Hello everybody! Can someone explain to me appointment of these elements? This drawing of English yacht about 1850. Quote Igor ------------ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSM Posted February 25, 2016 Share #2 Posted February 25, 2016 Hmmm... can't think of what that might be. What does it look like in the side-view? Are there any other drawings of the chainplates and channels? Is the box-art photo of any use? mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote From about as far from the ocean as you can get in North America! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jablackwell Posted February 25, 2016 Share #3 Posted February 25, 2016 Interesting.... as HSM asks, are there any other views of this detail? The first and only thing that came to mind is that these might be a type of "bumper" to protect the boards from damage by the outrigged boats that hang off the davits? ~john mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Builds: U.S. Brig Syren - 1803 - Model Shipways - First PoB Build Sopwith Camel F.1 - 1916 - Model Airways - Not a Ship!, Completed Kate Cory - 1856 - Model Shipways - Second Build, completed Sultana - 1767 - Model Shipways - First shipbuild, completed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaager Posted February 25, 2016 Share #4 Posted February 25, 2016 What sort of supports do the channels have to keep them horizontal and resist the racking force? mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote NRG member 45 years Current: HMS Centurion 1732 - 60-gun 4th rate - Navall Timber framing HMS Beagle 1831 refiit 10-gun brig with a small mizzen - Navall (ish) Timber framing The U.S. Ex. Ex. 1838-1842 Flying Fish 1838 pilot schooner - framed - ready for stern timbers Porpose II 1836 brigantine/brig - framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Vincennes 1825 Sloop-of-War - timbers assembled, need shaping Peacock 1828 Sloop-of -War - timbers ready for assembly Sea Gull 1838 pilot schooner - timbers ready for assembly Relief 1835 ship - timbers ready for assembly Other Portsmouth 1843 Sloop-of-War - timbers ready for assembly Le Commerce de Marseilles 1788 118 cannons - framed La Renommee 1744 Frigate - framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igorcap Posted February 26, 2016 Author Share #5 Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) There are many questions, but no answers It is a historical drawing. Unfortunately no other plans. I have long as there is are two variants: 1. At this point were fixed preventer or topmast shrouds. 2 .At this point were fixed removable boat boom Edited February 26, 2016 by igorcap Canute 1 Quote Igor ------------ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grsjax Posted February 26, 2016 Share #6 Posted February 26, 2016 They may be fair leads for some of the running rigging. A side view or detail view would shed more light on the subject. Canute 1 Quote My advice and comments are always worth what you paid for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted February 26, 2016 Share #7 Posted February 26, 2016 One of those thi gs is below rhe boat, that would make topmast shroud a bit unlikely..... What type of rigging does this ship have? Two masted fore and aft? Jan Canute 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igorcap Posted February 26, 2016 Author Share #8 Posted February 26, 2016 Here are photos of a similar vessel Canute, Dee_Dee and mtaylor 3 Quote Igor ------------ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted February 26, 2016 Share #9 Posted February 26, 2016 That's a nice one! On this picture it actually looks as if the 'uncomprehensible detail' under the boat is the place for the topmast shroud Jan mtaylor, Dee_Dee and Canute 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee_Dee Posted February 26, 2016 Share #10 Posted February 26, 2016 FWIW, I can identify the buildings behind this ship: The location is the Neva River in St. Petersburg, the building to the left of the ship is the Academy of Sciences and to the right, is the Kunstkammer, Museum of Anthropology and Ethnolography of Peoples of the World, located on Vasilievsky Island. The only detail that does not match are the rain gutters which are easily moved. For a hundred years, Vasilievsky Island was the site of St. Petersburg port. At the beginning of the 19th century, the port was moved further downstream. EJ_L, Canute, druxey and 2 others 5 Quote Current Build - Glad Tidings -MS Completed Builds - Dragon - Corel - One design International Class Yacht - Sloup Coquillier / Shell Fish Sloop - Corel - Based on 'Bergere de Domremy / Shepherdess from Domremy - Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack - Scratch build based on drawings from Chapelle's book "American Small Sailing Craft" On the Shelf - Gretel-Mamoli - Emma C. Berry-MS - Chesapeake Bay Pilot Boat, Semi-scratch Find yourself hoping you never reach your destination Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted February 27, 2016 Share #11 Posted February 27, 2016 When you look for the picture itself, it shows up at many russian forums, it is (as far as google translates correctly) a yacht of the Tsar, around 1865. Jan mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igorcap Posted February 27, 2016 Author Share #12 Posted February 27, 2016 Yes, this is the royal yacht Nix 1862 in St. Petersburg. Fragment of drawing above is royal yacht "Queen Victoria" was built in England in 1855 and presented to to the russian tsar Queen Victoria about a half times more than Nix. A few years ago I was doing the reconstruction of the yacht. You can see it here. https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.777760035618659.1073741828.100001540102730&type=1&l=375f537773 Now there was more information and I want to make a more accurate reconstruction. druxey, EJ_L, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote Igor ------------ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted February 27, 2016 Share #13 Posted February 27, 2016 very nice work Igor, it`s a beautiful (pleasure) schooner yacht Nils Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igorcap Posted February 28, 2016 Author Share #14 Posted February 28, 2016 Thank you Nils. But my question remains open ... mtaylor 1 Quote Igor ------------ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uss frolick Posted February 28, 2016 Share #15 Posted February 28, 2016 My first thought was that they were davit winches, but the deadeyes are too close for them to turn. mtaylor and Canute 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted March 23, 2016 Share #16 Posted March 23, 2016 I thought that they might be goosenecks for stunsail booms, but she is fore-and-aft rigged.... mtaylor 1 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jud Posted March 23, 2016 Share #17 Posted March 23, 2016 Forward one is for the Sea Painter, the rear one is an aft steadying line to hold the boat in when riding on the Sea Painter or alongside while the ship was anchored or drifting. When boarding the bow hook pole could hook into the center one to hold the boat for boarding with the rear one also hooked with a pole while passengers left or boarded the boat via the chain plate. Now I will sit back and wait for the proper identification and use. jud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igorcap Posted March 23, 2016 Author Share #18 Posted March 23, 2016 Jud , I also thought it would mount for boat boom , but why are three pieces from each board ? uss frolick 1 Quote Igor ------------ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jud Posted March 23, 2016 Share #19 Posted March 23, 2016 (edited) iIgorcap; I don't believe they are intended for boat boom use, boat booms need a hinge and two lines, one forward and one aft holding the boom outboard so 3 points is the norm. I was referring to the poles used by the boat crew as grab hooks, so quick, from the boat, control of the boat alongside ship, wharf or dock, the books I have read mention hooking up to the chains as a common grab point. Before getting into the Gun Gang on the Ammen DD 527, one of my assignments was being the bow hook on the Captains Gig, duties were to 'handle the pole, mooring lines then stood at parade rest on the bow of that Motor Whale Boat', while the engineer responded to the bells, the Cockswan used bells to communicate with the engineer who operated the throttle and transmission, they were about 4 feet apart, the bell was used anyway. First got antiquated with boat booms from that Gig, also gained about 5 pounds. Those unknown appendages probably weren't used as catch points. Really don't believe they were intended for bow hook use, I suspect they are used for boat handling in some way. Edited March 23, 2016 by jud igorcap and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jud Posted March 23, 2016 Share #20 Posted March 23, 2016 (edited) Boat Boom Thumbnail; Took another look to see how the sailor was shown climbing the hanging ladder,'rope ladder', it was shown correctly. Climb them from the side or your feet end up about chin level and become useless for climbing. Edited March 23, 2016 by jud igorcap and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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