Pete38 Posted April 2, 2013 Share #61 Posted April 2, 2013 For the false keel you could go either way, going with cherry/cherry simulate your caulking to show. Going with cherry/african blackwood no caulking needed. I kinda lean toward the african blackwood...it just gives it something....but if you go this way how to you plan to display it. If going this way display it so it can been seen You gonna use a cradle, mount flat to baseboard or use some standoffs and have it up off the baseboard a little...something to think on. Either way you go it will look great Happy desision making Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Posted April 2, 2013 Author Share #62 Posted April 2, 2013 Pete, good food for thought and I thank you. It would be a shame to hide that false keel with the African Blackwood. You're absolutly right I think. If one is going to use these beautiful woods then they should be see as much as possible. 1st Year Apprentice :mellow: A new member of the NRG as of 8/28/13 Work in Progress - Triton 28 Gun Frigate Cross Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Posted April 7, 2013 Author Share #63 Posted April 7, 2013 Started on the aft portion of frame "C" and thinking I should pause at this point and work out the fixture that I will use to assemble and glue-up the frames now. I have some idea also of the care I’ll need to take in cutting the keel and keelson notches. After roughing out the notches with the scroll saw I used a small file set and hobby knife for the clean-up and fitting. Kind of slow going but I enjoyed the work. rummy, Pete38 and fatih79 3 1st Year Apprentice :mellow: A new member of the NRG as of 8/28/13 Work in Progress - Triton 28 Gun Frigate Cross Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted April 7, 2013 Share #64 Posted April 7, 2013 That frame is looking good. You are correct to be thinking ahead on this build. That is a key to success in scratch building. Always try to think ahead to make sure you do not have any unpleasant surprises. Russ T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trussben Posted April 7, 2013 Share #65 Posted April 7, 2013 Awesome looking frame there. Ben Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnobiumPunctatum Posted April 8, 2013 Share #66 Posted April 8, 2013 The frame is looking really good. I would allow a little bit more wood at this early stage of your build. So it's easier to to sand the whole section after insalling all frames Regards Christian Current build: HM Cutter Alert, 1777; HM Sloop Fly, 1776 - 1/36 On the drawing board: English Ship Sloops Fly, 1776, Comet, 1783 and Aetna, 1776; Naval Cutter Alert, 1777 Paused: HMS Triton, 1771 - 1/48 "Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it." Salvador Dali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Posted April 8, 2013 Author Share #67 Posted April 8, 2013 Russ, Ben and AnobiumPunctatum, thanks very much for your comments and suggestions. P.S. AnobiumPunctatum, do you have a shorter name that you are known by? 1st Year Apprentice :mellow: A new member of the NRG as of 8/28/13 Work in Progress - Triton 28 Gun Frigate Cross Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rummy Posted April 8, 2013 Share #68 Posted April 8, 2013 Top job Paddy. Larry With Age Comes Wisdom,I'm Still Waiting! Current Builds:Syren.Triton Cross section. Completed Builds: Virginia by AL King of the Mississippi by AL Constellation by AL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnobiumPunctatum Posted April 8, 2013 Share #69 Posted April 8, 2013 Paddy, have a look in my signature, my name is Christian. Or make it very short AP - as a lot of people do in a german forum. Regards Christian Current build: HM Cutter Alert, 1777; HM Sloop Fly, 1776 - 1/36 On the drawing board: English Ship Sloops Fly, 1776, Comet, 1783 and Aetna, 1776; Naval Cutter Alert, 1777 Paused: HMS Triton, 1771 - 1/48 "Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it." Salvador Dali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Posted April 8, 2013 Author Share #70 Posted April 8, 2013 (edited) Larry: Thanks very much for that. Christian: No one has ever accused me of being very observant. I apologize for that. AP works too. Edited April 8, 2013 by Paddy 1st Year Apprentice :mellow: A new member of the NRG as of 8/28/13 Work in Progress - Triton 28 Gun Frigate Cross Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Posted April 13, 2013 Author Share #71 Posted April 13, 2013 (edited) I had been assuming that all of the beams, Gun Deck and Lower Deck, were of the same cross section dimensions but after studying the "Cross Section Inboard Works @ 48:1 Scale" drawing I stand corrected. It made me realize that I should not jump to any conclusions looking at photographs. Getting curious about the Beam Arms is what lead me to this particular plate. It looks like it's time for me to print all of the plates for study now. See the attached photo for my notes and please correct me if I'm wrong. Edited April 14, 2013 by Paddy 1st Year Apprentice :mellow: A new member of the NRG as of 8/28/13 Work in Progress - Triton 28 Gun Frigate Cross Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted April 13, 2013 Share #72 Posted April 13, 2013 Printing all the plans and taking some careful measurements is never a bad idea. Russ T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Posted April 20, 2013 Author Share #73 Posted April 20, 2013 (edited) When I start the glue-up we’ll see what anomalies occur with the fixture. This is the framing jig I came up with. Everything is positioned with clamps to make it easy to mount each frame drawing and cover with kitchen wax paper. The frame in the jig is a dry run only at this point. When I start the glue-up we’ll see what anomalies occur. Edited April 20, 2013 by Paddy 1st Year Apprentice :mellow: A new member of the NRG as of 8/28/13 Work in Progress - Triton 28 Gun Frigate Cross Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted April 20, 2013 Share #74 Posted April 20, 2013 That looks good. It seems to be very precise. Nice work. Russ T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete38 Posted April 20, 2013 Share #75 Posted April 20, 2013 Looks like a very nice jig for the frames. Should work out great. Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Posted April 20, 2013 Author Share #76 Posted April 20, 2013 Russ and Pete, Thanks for checking out the jig. Before I went off to the bunk last night I realized I could have a small problem when stacking the second set of futtocks for gluing but sometime during the night a simple solution appeared. We’ll see. Hope to start the glue-up of the “C” frame today. Anxious to see how it goes. Thanks again gents for looking in. 1st Year Apprentice :mellow: A new member of the NRG as of 8/28/13 Work in Progress - Triton 28 Gun Frigate Cross Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matrim Posted April 20, 2013 Share #77 Posted April 20, 2013 The colour combo is strong but not unpleasant. That wood looks almost ebony like though that could be the photo Joss ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Posted April 20, 2013 Author Share #78 Posted April 20, 2013 (edited) HI Joss, I assume you're referring to the African Blackwood for the false keel. When you lay ebony next to the blackwood they are very simular although the ebony is blacker. There seems to be a little purple tint to the blackwood. It is suppose to be very good for turning and I've been thinking it would be interesting to turn a cannon with it just to see how it looked. It's not to late for me to make another keel and attach a false keel with less contrast. Edited April 20, 2013 by Paddy 1st Year Apprentice :mellow: A new member of the NRG as of 8/28/13 Work in Progress - Triton 28 Gun Frigate Cross Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustyj Posted April 21, 2013 Share #79 Posted April 21, 2013 Hi Paddy, I like the look and will be doing the same with ebony on my bomb vessel keel. Rusty "So Long For Now" Current Builds: Speedwell Completed Build Logs: HMS Winchelsea 1/48 Duchess of Kingston USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross Section, Cutter Cheerful, Queen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Posted April 21, 2013 Author Share #80 Posted April 21, 2013 Thanks for that and I appreciate it Rusty. Ah, the Bomb Vessel, great. I have the plans for the Bomb Vessel also and hope to be going there after learning all I can with the Triton which I’m really enjoying. I’ll be look forward to watching your shipyard when you start laying the keel. That will be another good one I’m sure. Thumbs up. 1st Year Apprentice :mellow: A new member of the NRG as of 8/28/13 Work in Progress - Triton 28 Gun Frigate Cross Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Posted April 21, 2013 Author Share #81 Posted April 21, 2013 (edited) Thought I would let you all get a look at my lash-up after starting the first frame assemble. After going this far it’s obvious that it could easily have been better but I will give it a go to completion of the first frame. Then if I can’t stand it I’ll make some modifications to improve it. The basic idea is OK I think I just should have planned the under framing of the jig giving more thought to the clamps I have on hand and clearances needed to take advantage of their jaw lengths. Next time. Having read a suggestion by Russ in one of the logs I’m placing the aft futtocks with their templates to the jig and the fore futtocks with their templates facing up to aid shaping the frames once pulled from the jig. Edited April 21, 2013 by Paddy AWELL and aykutansin 2 1st Year Apprentice :mellow: A new member of the NRG as of 8/28/13 Work in Progress - Triton 28 Gun Frigate Cross Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted April 21, 2013 Share #82 Posted April 21, 2013 I see your issue with the clamps. This is a typical issue in making jigs. If you made the jig once, then modifying it to work better will be no problem if you need to do it. Russ T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete38 Posted April 21, 2013 Share #83 Posted April 21, 2013 Looks like a good start on your frames. No matter how long you think about a jig before you build it......it will always need modified If you have some type of heavy weight that you could put on the frames while it is being glued might be one way. If you look at my build log here that is the way I did it.......http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/71-triton-cross-section-132-pete-38/page-3 This is only one way and may not be the best.......whichever way work best for you is the best way to do it Good luck and looking forward to your frame raising day Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rummy Posted April 21, 2013 Share #84 Posted April 21, 2013 Very nice Paddy.Progress feels so good. Larry With Age Comes Wisdom,I'm Still Waiting! Current Builds:Syren.Triton Cross section. Completed Builds: Virginia by AL King of the Mississippi by AL Constellation by AL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Posted April 22, 2013 Author Share #85 Posted April 22, 2013 Russ, Pete and Larry, Thanks for taking a look. The wheels have been turning ever since I left the shop. Tomorrow I'll lay-up the rest of the fore futtocks, then when I pull the cured frame there are at least two quick and dirty mods I’ll make to the jig. Then we’ll go from there. Maybe by the time I finish all the frames I’ll have the jig worked out. Pete, thanks for the link to your weight photos. BTW, if you don’t mind, what wood are you using for your treenails? I have been practicing with bamboo using a vice to hold the Byrnes draw plate and that seems to be going reasonably well. Larry, it does feel good to be starting on the frames now. 1st Year Apprentice :mellow: A new member of the NRG as of 8/28/13 Work in Progress - Triton 28 Gun Frigate Cross Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete38 Posted April 22, 2013 Share #86 Posted April 22, 2013 Paddy, I also use bamboo for the treenails seems to work out well for me. Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Posted April 22, 2013 Author Share #87 Posted April 22, 2013 Would you all suggest installing the treenails in the frames as they leave the lay-up jig? It seems to me that it would help reinforce the frame before any serious handling. 1st Year Apprentice :mellow: A new member of the NRG as of 8/28/13 Work in Progress - Triton 28 Gun Frigate Cross Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete38 Posted April 22, 2013 Share #88 Posted April 22, 2013 If you are going to treenail, then that is the time I would do it....While one frame is in the jig drying you can be installing treenails in the first. works out pretty good that way. (keeps you busy) Also will strengthen the joint, whick is important. Just don't do like I did on the first frame and get impatient and remove it to soon, best wait for awhile for the glue to set up sufficiently. Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted April 22, 2013 Share #89 Posted April 22, 2013 I agree with Pete. Let the frame dry in the jig thoroughly. Make sure it is flat to the table underneath. Consider putting some weights on it while it dries, but be careful that the weights do not shift the pieces in the jig. Once it is dry, then you can drill and treenail it. Russ T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Posted April 22, 2013 Author Share #90 Posted April 22, 2013 (edited) Thanks gents. I glued in the second set of futtocks around noon Central Time and thought I would wait until at least tomorrow mid-morning before pulling the frame. I should have listen and not milled the pieces quite so close to the template lines. When I start cutting the "B" futtocks I'll do that. Really an enjoyable process and looking forward to getting started above the keel. Edited April 22, 2013 by Paddy 1st Year Apprentice :mellow: A new member of the NRG as of 8/28/13 Work in Progress - Triton 28 Gun Frigate Cross Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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