Rustyj Posted July 22, 2013 Share #211 Posted July 22, 2013 Good catch there. I think I've had that same supervisor on some of my builds. Had to fire him more than once too! Rusty "So Long For Now" Current Builds: Speedwell Completed Build Logs: HMS Winchelsea 1/48 Duchess of Kingston USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross Section, Cutter Cheerful, Queen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Posted July 22, 2013 Author Share #212 Posted July 22, 2013 Good catch there. I think I've had that same supervisor on some of my builds. Had to fire him more than once too! LOL! After ripping a set of quarter and eighth inch spacers on the Byrnes saw I restarted the frame lay-up. So, we’re back to frames C and B. I’ve changed my technique a bit and now beginning to think the error I made has worked out as an opportunity to improve. Anyway, it’s good to be back to the frame raising and with more confidence than when I started. Thank you gents for your input. P.S. My first chance to use that great little saw. What an impressive piece of equipment it is. Pete38 1 1st Year Apprentice :mellow: A new member of the NRG as of 8/28/13 Work in Progress - Triton 28 Gun Frigate Cross Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted July 23, 2013 Share #213 Posted July 23, 2013 That is an impressive set up for framing. You should be on your way now for sure. Russ T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Posted July 23, 2013 Author Share #214 Posted July 23, 2013 Thanks Russ. I've now found that the framing setup is much smarter than me. Like my first pilot instructor said "this airplane knows more about flying than you ever will". LOL. Was he ever spot on in more ways than one. 1st Year Apprentice :mellow: A new member of the NRG as of 8/28/13 Work in Progress - Triton 28 Gun Frigate Cross Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Posted July 26, 2013 Author Share #215 Posted July 26, 2013 Mile stone reached raising the sixth frame today. Pleased with the way it’s going now. Fingers crossed. AntonyUK and mtaylor 2 1st Year Apprentice :mellow: A new member of the NRG as of 8/28/13 Work in Progress - Triton 28 Gun Frigate Cross Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted July 26, 2013 Share #216 Posted July 26, 2013 Nice work, Paddy. Very clean and sharp. Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustyj Posted July 26, 2013 Share #217 Posted July 26, 2013 Looking really good. I really like your method. Much nicer than the jig I used. Rusty "So Long For Now" Current Builds: Speedwell Completed Build Logs: HMS Winchelsea 1/48 Duchess of Kingston USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross Section, Cutter Cheerful, Queen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafine Posted July 26, 2013 Share #218 Posted July 26, 2013 You should be pleased. It's looking great. Bob Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete38 Posted July 27, 2013 Share #219 Posted July 27, 2013 Looking real good. The way you are being carefull and the jig you use, should make fairing a little easier. Great work Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boccherini Posted July 27, 2013 Share #220 Posted July 27, 2013 Paddy, congratulations, that's looking great. The extra care you're taking setting the frames up will make everything else a lot easier. Regards, Grant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long9Ron Posted July 27, 2013 Share #221 Posted July 27, 2013 Looking great. True and neat. Good start. Ron Current Build: H.M.S. Triton Cross Section 1:48 Why is it that I always find out the best way to do something is after I have already done it the wrong way? - Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntonyUK Posted July 27, 2013 Share #222 Posted July 27, 2013 Hello Paddy. Very nice framing and your timber looks the part. Well done on reaching this milestone Regards Antony. Best advice ever given to me."If you don't know ..Just ask. Completed Mayflower Completed Fun build Tail boat Tailboat Completed Build Chinese Junk Chinese Pirate Junk Completed scratch built Korean Turtle ship 1/32 Turtle ship Completed Santa Lucia Sicilian Cargo Boat 1/30 scale Santa Lucia On hold. Bounty Occre 1/45 Completed HMS Victory by DeAgostini modelspace. DeAgostini Victory Cross Section Completed H.M.S. Victory X section by Coral. HMS Victory cross section Completed The Black Pearl fun build Black Queen Completed A large scale Victory cross section 1/36 Victory Cross Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Posted July 27, 2013 Author Share #223 Posted July 27, 2013 Thanks very much gents for your comments. Your knowledge and encouragement make this project possible for me. Also, I continue to thank Mike 41 for the design of the gantry type building board that if I use correctly makes the layup of the frames a much simpler process. Again too, thanks to Russ for keeping an eye on the set of my sails and warning of possible knockdowns. P.S. Pete, fairing, now there’s the rub and another coming challenge. Will be making up a noodle sander I think. Pete38 1 1st Year Apprentice :mellow: A new member of the NRG as of 8/28/13 Work in Progress - Triton 28 Gun Frigate Cross Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Posted July 30, 2013 Author Share #224 Posted July 30, 2013 (edited) The last frame was laid up yesterday afternoon and I’ll be ready to add some reinforcing blocks between the frames before I start sanding. Have been trying to decide which wood to use, same as the frame wood? Going through Pete’s log this morning I see that he used cherry, same as his frame wood. So, that’s help me to make up my mind. First though I’ll make some frame clamps to hold the X section in alignment while I glue in the reinforcing blocks. I would now ask if my thinking is in the ball park? P.S. Would it be wise to install the keelson before starting to sand? Edited July 30, 2013 by Paddy 1st Year Apprentice :mellow: A new member of the NRG as of 8/28/13 Work in Progress - Triton 28 Gun Frigate Cross Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete38 Posted July 30, 2013 Share #225 Posted July 30, 2013 Your thinking seems spot on to me. Myself, I would sand the flat in the floor first before installing the keelson, should make it easier to sand level for each side, then install the keelson for added support for sanding the rest of the frames. Keep up the great work. Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Posted July 30, 2013 Author Share #226 Posted July 30, 2013 Thanks very much Pete. I'll follow your lead on the keelson install. 1st Year Apprentice :mellow: A new member of the NRG as of 8/28/13 Work in Progress - Triton 28 Gun Frigate Cross Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Posted July 30, 2013 Author Share #227 Posted July 30, 2013 The ninth frame is up. Something I think will help with the alignment clamps I’m going to make for installing the permanent cherry spacer blocks will be a set of temporary spreader bars for the top of the frames. If you look close at the top of the last frame I think you can see what I'm thinking. Anyway, a new segment of the construction is about to get underway and I’m looking forward to it. A salute to the dockyard blokes for hanging in there. AntonyUK, Pete38 and aykutansin 3 1st Year Apprentice :mellow: A new member of the NRG as of 8/28/13 Work in Progress - Triton 28 Gun Frigate Cross Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete38 Posted July 31, 2013 Share #228 Posted July 31, 2013 Looking good. Once you get the cherry block in,,,,you will be surprised how much more rigid the section will be. Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted July 31, 2013 Share #229 Posted July 31, 2013 Paddy, Since your jig is somewhat different then other jigs, the spreader at the top is an excellent idea. I think those of use who were early builders used the "Ewe Jig"... so the spreader was built-in. Most of us in the past did use spacer blocks up high and you'll be surprised at how they lock everything into place. Rustyj 1 Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long9Ron Posted July 31, 2013 Share #230 Posted July 31, 2013 Congratulations on the ninth frame. Looking great Paddy. Ron Current Build: H.M.S. Triton Cross Section 1:48 Why is it that I always find out the best way to do something is after I have already done it the wrong way? - Me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted July 31, 2013 Share #231 Posted July 31, 2013 The framing looks good. The fillers will be a good addition. I used fillers on my cross section model and it created a really solid structure. Russ T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntonyUK Posted July 31, 2013 Share #232 Posted July 31, 2013 Hi Paddy. Looking very nice. I keep looking at the colour of your frames and I think I will be changing to the same timber. Gratz on the framing very neat and tidy. Regards Antony. Best advice ever given to me."If you don't know ..Just ask. Completed Mayflower Completed Fun build Tail boat Tailboat Completed Build Chinese Junk Chinese Pirate Junk Completed scratch built Korean Turtle ship 1/32 Turtle ship Completed Santa Lucia Sicilian Cargo Boat 1/30 scale Santa Lucia On hold. Bounty Occre 1/45 Completed HMS Victory by DeAgostini modelspace. DeAgostini Victory Cross Section Completed H.M.S. Victory X section by Coral. HMS Victory cross section Completed The Black Pearl fun build Black Queen Completed A large scale Victory cross section 1/36 Victory Cross Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Posted July 31, 2013 Author Share #233 Posted July 31, 2013 (edited) Pete, Mark, Ron, Russ & Antony, Thanks very much for your input and support gents. It all adds to the enjoyment of working on the project plus I'm learning a great deal from all you mentors. P.S. Hi Paddy.Looking very nice. I keep looking at the colour of your frames and I think I will be changing to the same timber.Gratz on the framing very neat and tidy.Regards Antony. Antony, I like working with and the look of the cherry wood too. Some time back I did a test of Watco Danish Oil natural on the cherry and really liked the finish. If you decided to change to cherry wood on the frames I don't think you'll be disappointed. Edited July 31, 2013 by Paddy AntonyUK 1 1st Year Apprentice :mellow: A new member of the NRG as of 8/28/13 Work in Progress - Triton 28 Gun Frigate Cross Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafine Posted July 31, 2013 Share #234 Posted July 31, 2013 The frames look great, Paddy. Using spacer blocks really helped to stabilize the framing while fairing. Bob Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Posted July 31, 2013 Author Share #235 Posted July 31, 2013 Thanks for that Bob. Spreader bars and frame alignment clamps are now in place. The frames lined up better than I thought they would when I tightened the clamps. So, the next step will be to start mounting the frame reinforcing blocks. I’m trying to decide just where but I guess on the horizontal along with the gunport sills and lintels. Won’t begin that until tomorrow so if any of you have suggestions please tell me what you think. It’s always appreciated. 1st Year Apprentice :mellow: A new member of the NRG as of 8/28/13 Work in Progress - Triton 28 Gun Frigate Cross Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted July 31, 2013 Share #236 Posted July 31, 2013 I would mount the fillers in the way of the wales. That way they are hidden under the wales. Russ T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafine Posted July 31, 2013 Share #237 Posted July 31, 2013 Part of the decision as to placement of the blocks will depend upon the amount of planking you intend to do -- or put another way , the areas, if any, that you don't intend to plank. The blocks shouldn't be placed where there will be no planking. Bob Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustyj Posted July 31, 2013 Share #238 Posted July 31, 2013 Like Russ said I put them under wales and I also placed them at the top of the frames. Rusty "So Long For Now" Current Builds: Speedwell Completed Build Logs: HMS Winchelsea 1/48 Duchess of Kingston USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross Section, Cutter Cheerful, Queen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Posted August 1, 2013 Author Share #239 Posted August 1, 2013 (edited) Thanks very much Russ, Bob and Rusty. Under the wales they’ll go then and that will provide room for any open frame area on lower futtocks that I may want to leave for structure viewing. Also may install some blocks at the top of the frames as Rusty did. Thanks again gents. Edited August 1, 2013 by Paddy 1st Year Apprentice :mellow: A new member of the NRG as of 8/28/13 Work in Progress - Triton 28 Gun Frigate Cross Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Posted August 2, 2013 Author Share #240 Posted August 2, 2013 Filler blocks under the wale area have been installed. I’ll wait for overnight drying of the glue before starting on installing the gunport sills, lintels and some filler at the top of the frames. Pete38 and AntonyUK 2 1st Year Apprentice :mellow: A new member of the NRG as of 8/28/13 Work in Progress - Triton 28 Gun Frigate Cross Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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