rafine Posted April 9, 2013 Author #31 Posted April 9, 2013 Thanks, Paddy, Pete38 and Russ. I'm afraid the picture looks better than the actual frame. The good news is that I never intended to use it. Good advice, Russ, that I intend to follow. Bob Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat
Long9Ron Posted April 9, 2013 #32 Posted April 9, 2013 Bob Your frame looks good. Ron Current Build: H.M.S. Triton Cross Section 1:48 Why is it that I always find out the best way to do something is after I have already done it the wrong way? - Me
rafine Posted April 9, 2013 Author #33 Posted April 9, 2013 Thanks, Ron. Hopefully, the real ones will look better. Bob Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat
harvey1847 Posted April 10, 2013 #34 Posted April 10, 2013 Keep going Bob! I can not imagine to cut all the frames just using a jeweler saw... good work and good hands. I would chisel a little bit more the rabbet on the keel. It´s just a sugestion. Best wishes! Daniel. In the shipyard: HMS Triton 1773. POF. 1:48. Daniel On the computer: R.A. Principe de La Paz. POF. 1:48. Daniel
rafine Posted April 10, 2013 Author #35 Posted April 10, 2013 Thanks, Daniel. I've had the same concerns about the hand cutting. We'll see what happens. Bob Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat
rafine Posted April 16, 2013 Author #36 Posted April 16, 2013 Work on the frames is still slow -- two to three days each to cut, assemble and rough trim. I've now done three. Being cautious, I've left a fair amount of extra meat on them. I'm sure this will mean a a whole lot of sanding later. Bob fatih79 and lb0190 2 Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat
Rustyj Posted April 16, 2013 #37 Posted April 16, 2013 They look really good Bob. I don't know how you do it by hand! My hats off to you. After cutting them out sanding should be a breeze! Rusty "So Long For Now" Current Builds: Speedwell Completed Build Logs: HMS Winchelsea 1/48 Duchess of Kingston USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross Section, Cutter Cheerful, Queen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout
Long9Ron Posted April 16, 2013 #38 Posted April 16, 2013 Bob You're frames are looking great. Leaving some meat on them was a good idea. I wish I had left more on mine, but I didn't and I have a few spots that are a little thin. That was good thinking on your part. Keep up the great work. Ron Current Build: H.M.S. Triton Cross Section 1:48 Why is it that I always find out the best way to do something is after I have already done it the wrong way? - Me
Paddy Posted April 16, 2013 #39 Posted April 16, 2013 They look really good Bob. I don't know how you do it by hand! My hats off to you. After cutting them out sanding should be a breeze! Hear, hear! 1st Year Apprentice :mellow: A new member of the NRG as of 8/28/13 Work in Progress - Triton 28 Gun Frigate Cross Section
AnobiumPunctatum Posted April 16, 2013 #40 Posted April 16, 2013 Your frames are looking really good. Well done. Regards Christian Current build: HM Cutter Alert, 1777; HM Sloop Fly, 1776 - 1/36 On the drawing board: English Ship Sloops Fly, 1776, Comet, 1783 and Aetna, 1776; Naval Cutter Alert, 1777 Paused: HMS Triton, 1771 - 1/48 "Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it." Salvador Dali
rafine Posted April 16, 2013 Author #41 Posted April 16, 2013 Thanks, Rusty, Ron, Paddy and Christian. Practice may not make perfect, but it is improving my confidence. Bob Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat
Matrim Posted April 16, 2013 #42 Posted April 16, 2013 Better to take your time than to rush and have to redo them as erm I did (twice) Joss ...
Pete38 Posted April 16, 2013 #43 Posted April 16, 2013 No sense in repeating what everyone else has said........ wait...yes there is........ Frames looking great. I think if you are one to cut each frame by hand your alot more carefull of where and how you cut. Looking forward to more of your build... Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER
sonicmcdude Posted April 16, 2013 #44 Posted April 16, 2013 Nice start! welcome to the Triton family Greetings, Sinan Build log:TRITON POB 1:72
rafine Posted April 17, 2013 Author #45 Posted April 17, 2013 Thanks guys. Don't worry Joss. I'm in no rush -- this is my day job and I'm just not used to things taking quite so long. Bob Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat
Boccherini Posted April 17, 2013 #46 Posted April 17, 2013 The frames are looking good Bob. You won't regret the extra width left on them. Regards, Grant.
rafine Posted April 17, 2013 Author #47 Posted April 17, 2013 Thanks Grant. I'm sure you're right about the extra width. Bob Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat
rafine Posted April 24, 2013 Author #48 Posted April 24, 2013 I've completed cutting and assembling the frames. After enjoying the beautiful jigs and high tech tools and appliances that fill this forum, I thought some comic relief was in order -- a tutorial in the use of low tech and ugly. The component parts were cut from the plans and rubber cemented to sheet boxwood. All of the frame parts were cut by hand, leaving very generous extra wood on the pieces. The notches for the keel and keelson were done with the saw and a chisel. As can be seen from the photos, my assembly "jig" was double sided tape on the joint lines of the plan sheets. After assembly, I rough trimmed the frames, using my only power tool, a Dremel, with a sanding drum. I still left considerable extra in place, since I have little trust in my accuracy to this point. My jig to raise the frames will also be simplistic, although I haven't thought it through completely yet. Bob Rustyj and lb0190 2 Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat
Pete38 Posted April 24, 2013 #49 Posted April 24, 2013 Those are some very nice looking frames....and a lot of work done by hand..... Very well done... Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER
Paddy Posted April 24, 2013 #50 Posted April 24, 2013 Outstanding! 1st Year Apprentice :mellow: A new member of the NRG as of 8/28/13 Work in Progress - Triton 28 Gun Frigate Cross Section
russ Posted April 24, 2013 #51 Posted April 24, 2013 Bob: My only thought is that you left A LOT of wood on that frame. I was thinking about maybe an extra 1/32" on both inside and outside. That will be enough for fairing purposes and it will make it easier on you doing it by hand. The frame looks good though. Nice work. I envy you doing this by hand. Russ T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB
rafine Posted April 24, 2013 Author #52 Posted April 24, 2013 Thanks, Pete, Paddy and Russ. We'll see if you still envy me after the sanding, Russ. Bob Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat
harvey1847 Posted April 25, 2013 #53 Posted April 25, 2013 Congrats Bob! The milestone like the people around say is done. Now starts the fun time when you actually see how the model grows... Good work! Keep Going! Daniel. In the shipyard: HMS Triton 1773. POF. 1:48. Daniel On the computer: R.A. Principe de La Paz. POF. 1:48. Daniel
Boccherini Posted April 25, 2013 #54 Posted April 25, 2013 You're making quite rapid progress considering the labour intensive methods used. The frames are looking good. Regards, Grant.
rafine Posted April 25, 2013 Author #55 Posted April 25, 2013 Thanks Daniel and Grant. I am looking forward to raising the frames, Daniel. Grant, one of the benefits of retirement is that even if the work is slow, you have plenty of time to do it, making it seem like it was done quickly. Bob Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat
rafine Posted April 27, 2013 Author #56 Posted April 27, 2013 Time for another low tech tutorial. I've now raised all of the frames, using a very simple jig. My keel simply rests between two pieces of strip wood that come up to the bottom of the rabbet. The jig consists of a piece of foamcore, notched at the bottom to clear the keel and the supports, which is attached by double sided tape to two steel 90 degree weights. These slide along the keel supports as the frames proceed. A plan sheet for each frame was attached to the foamcore for reference. A temporary spacer was positioned on the keel between the frames and permanent spacers were glued to the tops of the frames as each was raised. Clamps were used to hold each new frame in place while the glue dried. Now it's on to the tedium of sanding. Bob Rustyj, lb0190 and fatih79 3 Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat
Pete38 Posted April 27, 2013 #57 Posted April 27, 2013 That was fast... and a very nice job....frames look great So here is one for you on the frame raising Triton Cross Section 1:32 SEE YA LATER
russ Posted April 27, 2013 #58 Posted April 27, 2013 Bob: That is indeed fast. I think you are ready to begin fairing. However, you will need to do this by eye now because I do not see any references on the frames themselves. So long as you get everything so that the planking and ceiling will lay on the frames, you should be okay. Russ T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB
rafine Posted April 28, 2013 Author #59 Posted April 28, 2013 Thanks, Pete. There should be no problem, Russ. I can get the frame dimensions by use of the plans at both ends and then simply fair between them. Bob Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat
Boccherini Posted April 28, 2013 #60 Posted April 28, 2013 Bob, that was sweetly done. Regards, Grant
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