HMS Bounty by Steve 12345 - FINISHED - Billing Boats - 1:50

[Steve 12345]

Hello and welcome to my build of HMS Bounty by billings boats 1:50 scale

This is my second build the first being HMS Victory by Mantua Panart

[Steve 12345]

I have opened all the parts and checked all the pieces are there and placed them in storage boxes and can report the pieces where all there and in most cases with the smaller pieces there was infact extras.

However two of the plywood bulkheads where warped.The kit did include a green form to report any missing pieces or problems I have written to the address for the U.K supplier however three weeks later have heard nothing.This may be due to the fact I bought the kit second hand and have no idea how old it is that supplier may have moved address

 

[Steve 12345]

At this stage I have decided to scratch build the two faulty pieces and work on other things such as the stairwells

[Steve 12345]

so to bring things up to date the next series of photos show the build commencing using the two scratch build parts

[Robin Lous]

Nice Steve!

 

When you like...I can borrow you the Anatomy of the Ship Bounty book. I have it for 25 years or so and I don't have plans to build a Bounty, so when you can use it...just let me know.

 

Robin

[Steve 12345]

Are you serious robin I've tried to buy that book and the price is crazy the victory version is on amazon for 5 pound the bounty version is anywhere from eighty

[Robin Lous]

Sure...it's gathering dust here. When you message me an adress...I'll send it to you tomorrow.

[EJ_L]

Steve, it looks like you are off to a good start with your framing. I think I'll pull up a seat and follow along.

[Steve 12345]

I have fitted the false deck and I am ready to begin planking the deck.

Could anybody please answer a question thanks.

My question is how long would the deck planks have been on a ship of this period and then I can cut them to appropriate size to suit 1/50 scale thanks

Also any links on how to stagger the deck planks would be extremely helpful as on my previous build I staggered them half way each run however I believe there was other patterns.

As a carpenter by trade when fitting wooden flooring I would do a run then begin the second run with the off cut there fore staggering the join every time would this have been the case back then or was there a pattern ? I could probably google the answers but would much prefer the answer from experienced builders from the forum thanks.

Edited November 4, 2016 by Steve 12345

[donrobinson]

http://modelshipworldforum.com/resources/Framing_and_Planking/Deck_PlankingIIbuttshifts.pdf, try this. It is on the NRG site

[Steve 12345]

Thank you for the link don that answers my question perfectly I will download and print it out

[Steve 12345]

This arrived safely today courtesy of a very kind member robin lous a big thank you to robin this will greatly help my build.

I particularly like the paint scheme that the book depicts and the drawings will help me scratch build the deck furniture and include a flag locker not included in the billings kit and im sure there is many other items I will change in accordance to this book

Once again robin I thank you for the help and will ensure to return the book upon completion of my build.

 

[Robin Lous]

Enjoy!  

 

Robin

[Steve 12345]

Hello all there has been a bit of a delay on the bounty build I promised myself before I started the build I would create more storage for my dining come hobby room .I started the bounty regardless then the winter has well and truly began so I went back to the storage issue before it gets to cold in the garage  .I built a tool box a few years ago for my garage workshop but it soon found a home with my modelling tools so the lower box you will see in the pics is my latest creation to hold more tools in doors.so now that that's finished I can close up the garage workshop for the winter and concentrate on the bounty build except for ocasionaly nipping out to use the bandsaw or disc sander the whole set up in my dining room come hobby room takes only a few mins to set up and parks neatly under my victory when im finished for the evening

[Steve 12345]

so back to the bounty the ply wood deck is fitted then a simple jig made to cut all the planks to a consistent length of 120mm.

I got the length and the lay out of the planks from a link found above in this log provided by donrobinson .

I toyed about doing some sampling with the finish of the boards using a pencil and some yacht varnish im unsure if I will use this method and will try other finishes before deciding . on my victory build I used clear satin varnish but it drys out like no finish has been applied at all .I do like the yacht varnish but feel it might be a bit to shiny any suggestions would be welcome thanks

ive read about treenailing and read a post where a member wished he had not attempted it and wasent happy with the result so I will skip this on this build a perhaps attempt it on a later build

[EJ_L]

Those tool boxes are most excellent. Beautiful work and a great way to store your ship yard and tools.

 

Looks like your plankng is off to a good start on the deck. I am becoming more and more in favore of skipping the trenails also. Unless you are working in a very large scale they can easily look too large and overwhelm a model. Plus as I have seen pointed out on a few discussions, most treenails would not be easily visable as they would be plugged and that plug would be of a very similar color to the surronding wood instead of the often modeled black. I think you will be happy with that decision in the end.

[Steve 12345]

advice needed please on bulkheads .

as you can see from the pictures some of the bulkheads are flush with the deck others are not .I have studied the plans all evening trying to figure out the position of the first hull planks im thinking it will be flush with the deck however I will need to sort this issue out .

would the best approach be to sand the deck back flush to the frames when fairing the hull or to veneer some packing material to the frames to bring them flush with the deck.

[EJ_L]

Either way is acceptable. Can you measure across the deck on your plan sheets to see what that dimension is? If it is the same width then I would add the shims and if it is smaller than sand the deck down. As long as you keep the hull shape and the fairing of the bulkheads true then whichever method you choose is fine.

[Steve 12345]

I like your answer ej I stare at the plans for hours then commen sense provoles why didn't I think of that.this is the dilemma ship building and kits can be a puzzle but very satisfying when you find a solution and 9 out if 10 times the solution is staring you in the face in the form of a scale drawing but hey

Edited November 30, 2016 by Steve 12345

[Steve 12345]

hello all just a quick check in showing the hull planking progress so far.

I went with the shimming of the bulkheads as previously discussed and have begun hull planking.

for the first five runs down to the whale line I have not tapered the planks and used heat to shape the planks a method I have seen chuck use in a utube video.below the whale line I have marked out the first band and begun tapering the planks I hope not to require any drop planks at the bow however suspect a wedge or two at the stern.

i was planning on not using warm water but must admit ive resorted back to water and pins however i will not use excessive force to bend planks and avoid any clinkers at the bow.

apologies if this is to many photos im trying to show every step.

 

[petervisser]

Hi Steve,

 

I've just stumbled onto you log and have really enjoyed watching the progress so far. I have built the older version of this Billing kit years ago, and seeing your log takes me back. I have also noted some of the building techniques you practice, and I'm hoping to get some ideas. You have some obvious talent as a carpenter. I have just subscribed to your log and look forward to following your progress.

I would be interested to learn your plank tapering technique. I have used an xacto knife and sanding block in the past, but your method looks professional. If it's easy to explain I would really like to hear about it.

 

Ahhhhh, I just looked back at your tapering technique and I think I figured it out! That is slick! Now I just have to look back at your plank cutting jig...

 

Happy building!

 

Peter

Edited December 12, 2016 by petervisser

[Steve 12345]

Thank you peter for the kind words I hope to show every step in this log some times we forget the simple stuff and the reason we look at these logs is to see how others did it

Where was the first plank located?

Where was the first band determined?

Where did the garboard plank start?

The list goes on I hope to show all this

DISCLAIMER nothing I do is the absolute correct way this is just how I will do it and I hope you enjoy the results

 

Steve

[Heronguy]

Wonderful detail in your posts.  I'm going to follow to see what I can learn - just starting model building so there's lots of scope for learning!!

 

Doug

[Steve 12345]

Hello Doug I hope you continue to enjoy my posts model building is a great hobby and allow a begginer myself if I can help please don't hesitate to ask

 

Steve

[EJ_L]

Good start to your planking. The step by step pictures are nice and is something that is easily overlooked and forgotten by many of us, myself included. I always say I will do that and then I go and build something and when I take the picture of it completed I realize that I forgot to take progress pics again.

 

As for planking, just keep checking your measurements and don't assume you are still correct. Often time small gaps or curves will throw off the original layout but if you constantly check then those whoops can usually be blended in and no one will see. Looking good!

[Heronguy]

Steve,

 

Just three simple questions at the moment.  

 

Your previous 2 pictures show an elastic band across the stern to a pin on the planking strake.  I'm curious what purpose it was playing for you.

 

The push pins you're using are fairly large diameter.  Did you have to pre-drill a hole for them to avoid splitting the wood strip?

 

You show making lateral bends in the plank (I've used the same kind of clamping to do that).  However do you also bend the plank to go around the curve of the bow?  If so, what kind of jig do you use?

 

Keep showing lots of pictures please!

 

Doug

[Steve 12345]

Hi Doug thanks for viewing my log I'll try to answer all three questions I always pre drill before the pins however where the planks join I found even with predrilling the plank will split .

So to combat this I use a bulldog clip the elastic band stretched to the other side of the hull helps twist the plank to fit the curve.

As for bending the plank around the radius of the bow I use a plank crimping tool I will post some pictures of this process tomorrow evening .one additional piece of advice I might add is to not be tempted to do any sanding until entire hull is planked this way you can get a better shape of the hull .

I hope this helps happy building regards Steve

[Steve 12345]

Hi Doug I didn't get time for ship building or more pics this evening but here's a link I found interesting showing a plank crimping tool

[Steve 12345]

some further progress on the bounty I have finished the first band of hull planking and my next step is to fit the garboard plank then create a second band to close the gap.

from the pictures you can see how I intend to find where the garboard plank begins im really not sure and some further research may be required unless anyone would kindly like to throw in some suggestions all feedback much appreiciated.

I have added for the final picture a scale plan of my latest addition to the shipyard the Mare Nostrum I will be building this as a side project to the bounty and will be creating it a separate build log if more than one log is permitted at a time.

the mare nostrum will slow progress on the bounty a bit however these being my second and third builds I now know its not a race.

[EJ_L]

Planking seems to be moving along nicely and she is starting to take shape.

 

Yes, you can have multiple build logs at the same time. many people on here do, I am one of them. Good luck to you on starting your next project and continuing good luck on this one.