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Hi Martyn - from what I understand from the Vasa forum there is no definite deck plank shift.  According to the museum research director,the planks were all different lengths & widths. They seem to have used whatever they had on hand that would fit into the spaces. In other words,they seem to have made it up as they went along!  It would be difficult to replicate all the different widths on a model,but random lengths would appear to be acceptable as long as the plank ends don`t line up side by side.  If you would like,I can give you a link to the forum - the museum research director is on that forum and is happy to answer questions about the ship.

 

Mark

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Do every possibly "nodo" imaginable - and that usually you would get your head bitten off here in the forum - and you are most possibly near the reality. As stated all planks have different widths and lengths, the pattern is most random possible and on the quarter deck there are in 1 (one) point/edge 4 (four!) planks joining*** ...

 

XXXDAn

 

*** all different width off course 😉

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Here is a sketch I found. Just dare it! Keepers of the holy grails of planking patterns look away!

 

Build the real thing and you will be expelled from the forum 😉

 

XXXDAn

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Ah.. the original "check the scrap box, mate" when looking for lumber.:P

Mark
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It might be also explained (partially) by a mix of Dutch and Swedish shipbuilding traditions - Vasa was built by a mixed team of workers, with some weird things like mixed up dimensions (there was an Amsterdam foot and Stockholm foot back then, and they were not the same). There were few rulers found inside the hull, referencing different measurement systems.

Fred Hocker's book is a nice read, if one is interested...

Not just the planking is off, but gunports barely line up, shifted randomly to fit the frames around them, one side is higher than the other, etc. This is a very rare artefact of human sloppiness, since I doubt that "just dig the scrap pile" was a method proudly documented for later generations. 

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Cheers for all the feedback guys and looking at the plan of the decks omg that's really all over the place but I can see how it happened as Mike said they had two different measurements from the different rules one being 12 inch to the foot the other 10 inch to the foot certainly made for confusion  :wacko:

Martyn 

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On 12/18/2018 at 8:23 PM, dafi said:

Here is a sketch I found. Just dare it! Keepers of the holy grails of planking patterns look away!

 

Build the real thing and you will be expelled from the forum 😉

oops.
I planned to do something like this pattern with the deck of my Golden Hind. :blush:

 

Thanks for the sketch, very interesting

Regards, Patrick

 

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2 hours ago, Mike Y said:

Not just the planking is off, but gunports barely line up, shifted randomly to fit the frames around them, one side is higher than the other, etc. This is a very rare artefact of human sloppiness, since I doubt that "just dig the scrap pile" was a method proudly documented for later generations. 

I would not call it sloppiness, simply the awareness for symmetrical build was not jet developed 🙂

 

Why bothering about it, this was not the problem of this ship and would the basic trim have been better, it would have perfectly done the job. On top of it, if I remember well, they ran out of suitable timber towards the end of the build, as it was not foreseen that the ship would become that big when they put the material for the build aside.

 

The fine art of clean build just was developed later on, and then one can discuss which planking scheme to use. But still many model makers discuss lengthily the scheme up and down and still do not realize that for a long time still curved planks were in use 😉

 

XXXDAn

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When I built my Vasa, I came up with the same problem/question. My research indicated that there was not a fixed pattern on the decks of Vasa.

This is how I planked mine.

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I read the Red Bay books on the Basque whaling ships of the 1500s. Same thing. Different materials used from frame to frame, random hull planking, including one short plank that only went between adjacent frames. The tree nails in the hull were drilled with the left one at the top and the second below and to the right of it in some sections, and the opposite in others, etc.

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The same for Mary Rose 🙂

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Indeed

Your Vasa drawing (above) and the Mary Rose deck (below)

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Regards, Patrick

 

Finished :  Soleil Royal Heller 1/100   Wasa Billing Boats   Bounty Revell 1/110 plastic (semi scratch)   Pelican / Golden Hind  1/45 scratch

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Gallery Revell Bounty  Pelican/Golden hind 1/45 scratch

To do Prins Willem Corel, Le Tonnant Corel, Yacht d'Oro Corel, Thermopylae Sergal 

 

Shore leave,  non ship models build logs :  

ADGZ M35 funkwagen 1/72    Einhets Pkw. Kfz.2 and 4 1/72   Autoblinda AB40 1/72   122mm A-19 & 152mm ML-20 & 12.8cm Pak.44 {K8 1/2} 1/72   10.5cm Howitzer 16 on Mark. VI(e)  Centurion Mk.1 conversion   M29 Weasel 1/72     SAM6 1/72    T26 Finland  T26 TN 1/72  Autoprotetto S37 1/72     Opel Blitz buses 1/72  Boxer and MAN trucks 1/72   Hetzer38(t) Starr 1/72    

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