Jeffb Posted February 5, 2019 #1 Posted February 5, 2019 (edited) Hello everyone, This will be my first complete build of a wooden ship model kit; the Lively of Baltimore 1813. It is a 1/48 scale kit by the Lumberyard. I am calling it my first complete build because I started building the Artesenia Latina kit for the Bluenose II in 1/75 scale a number of years ago. The partially completed hull is now put away. I hope to either return to it or start over again one day when I have some more experience in wooden ship model building. I chose this kit because it had a favorable review in "Ships in Scale" magazine which was followed with a build practicum series by Kurt Van Dahm. As this is my first post for the build I will keep it brief. Here is a photo of the box: Edited November 13, 2022 by Jeffb Fright, Ryland Craze, ccoyle and 1 other 4 Quote Jeff Betcher Current Builds: Completed Builds: Lively of Baltimore 1813 - The Lumberyard; 1/72 Canadair CL-215 water bomber Ontario markings, 1/72 Canadair CL-215 water bomber Newfoundland markings; 1/72 Canadair CL-415 water bomber Ontario markings Future Builds: Future Builds: HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina; Tender "Avos" Master Korabel; NRG Half Hull; HMS Speedy Vanguard Models
Ebomba Posted February 5, 2019 #2 Posted February 5, 2019 Count me in, one of my goals is to build a Lumberyard kit, good luck! Quote
Stevinne Posted February 5, 2019 #3 Posted February 5, 2019 I think this is a very attractive kit. I look forward to watching it come together. Quote Under construction: Mamoli Roter Lowe Completed builds: Constructo Enterprise, AL Le Renard Up next: Panart Lynx, MS Harriet Lane In need of attention: 14-foot Pintail in the driveway
Jeffb Posted February 5, 2019 Author #4 Posted February 5, 2019 I started this build before I joined the forum, and unfortunately, did not take any photos to post. The following photos are current to where I have progressed thus far. I have encountered a problem at the stern and transom that you can see in the last photo. You can also see my solution to it. I am currently attaching the caprails and will have photos in my next post. I would appreciate any comments to the build so far. Jeff Betcher schooner 1 Quote Jeff Betcher Current Builds: Completed Builds: Lively of Baltimore 1813 - The Lumberyard; 1/72 Canadair CL-215 water bomber Ontario markings, 1/72 Canadair CL-215 water bomber Newfoundland markings; 1/72 Canadair CL-415 water bomber Ontario markings Future Builds: Future Builds: HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina; Tender "Avos" Master Korabel; NRG Half Hull; HMS Speedy Vanguard Models
Jeffb Posted February 6, 2019 Author #5 Posted February 6, 2019 Here are photos of the cap rail tacked to the gunwhales. BobG, Ian_Grant, JpR62 and 1 other 4 Quote Jeff Betcher Current Builds: Completed Builds: Lively of Baltimore 1813 - The Lumberyard; 1/72 Canadair CL-215 water bomber Ontario markings, 1/72 Canadair CL-215 water bomber Newfoundland markings; 1/72 Canadair CL-415 water bomber Ontario markings Future Builds: Future Builds: HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina; Tender "Avos" Master Korabel; NRG Half Hull; HMS Speedy Vanguard Models
Jeffb Posted February 10, 2019 Author #6 Posted February 10, 2019 I have been reading on the proper way to plank the hull and am about to start. Before I start, should I do the transom first or does it matter? The other question I have regards the shape of the stern blocks. As far as I can tell from the plans and the practicum I am following, this is the correct shape. It looks right to me. Can anyone confirm this? Much appreciated, Jeff GrandpaPhil, schooner and JpR62 3 Quote Jeff Betcher Current Builds: Completed Builds: Lively of Baltimore 1813 - The Lumberyard; 1/72 Canadair CL-215 water bomber Ontario markings, 1/72 Canadair CL-215 water bomber Newfoundland markings; 1/72 Canadair CL-415 water bomber Ontario markings Future Builds: Future Builds: HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina; Tender "Avos" Master Korabel; NRG Half Hull; HMS Speedy Vanguard Models
ship123 Posted August 4, 2020 #7 Posted August 4, 2020 Hi Jeff! Did you ever finished this model? Bought one from Ebay, unfortunately it is incomplete, missing the plans. Any chance you could help me with the plans? Thank you, Quote
Jeffb Posted October 6, 2020 Author #8 Posted October 6, 2020 Hello, Sorry for taking so long to respond to your request. I work in health care so I have been busy with that since March. I have made some slow progress but I'm not yet finished with the model. I can share the plans with you when I am finished. How can I help you in the meantime? Jeff P.S. I am about to post some update photos so you can see my progress. Quote Jeff Betcher Current Builds: Completed Builds: Lively of Baltimore 1813 - The Lumberyard; 1/72 Canadair CL-215 water bomber Ontario markings, 1/72 Canadair CL-215 water bomber Newfoundland markings; 1/72 Canadair CL-415 water bomber Ontario markings Future Builds: Future Builds: HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina; Tender "Avos" Master Korabel; NRG Half Hull; HMS Speedy Vanguard Models
Jeffb Posted October 6, 2020 Author #9 Posted October 6, 2020 Hello everyone, I haven't been very active in posting my progress. It has been slower than I had hoped but I have made some headway. The deck fittings are just sitting on the deck. I am currently working on the ordinance. It's been quite a learning process. Thank you to those who are sharing their builds and techniques. I doubt I would have gotten this far without. Stay safe. Jeff Ryland Craze, Ian_Grant, DanielD and 2 others 5 Quote Jeff Betcher Current Builds: Completed Builds: Lively of Baltimore 1813 - The Lumberyard; 1/72 Canadair CL-215 water bomber Ontario markings, 1/72 Canadair CL-215 water bomber Newfoundland markings; 1/72 Canadair CL-415 water bomber Ontario markings Future Builds: Future Builds: HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina; Tender "Avos" Master Korabel; NRG Half Hull; HMS Speedy Vanguard Models
Greg M Posted October 7, 2020 #10 Posted October 7, 2020 Looking good Jeff. The Lively is such a fun build and as long as you keep picking it up, it will eventually get finished. Mine took from June 2006-Nov 2009. I still think it's the only kit I've ever seen that had Yew in it. Quote Current: HMS Winchelsea Finished: Phantom New York Pilot Boat
Jeffb Posted October 7, 2020 Author #11 Posted October 7, 2020 Thanks, Greg. I appreciate your encouraging words. It's my first wooden ship build of this kind and I find it challenging with many new techniques. Having said that, I am enjoying it. I'll try to post more often. Jeff Quote Jeff Betcher Current Builds: Completed Builds: Lively of Baltimore 1813 - The Lumberyard; 1/72 Canadair CL-215 water bomber Ontario markings, 1/72 Canadair CL-215 water bomber Newfoundland markings; 1/72 Canadair CL-415 water bomber Ontario markings Future Builds: Future Builds: HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina; Tender "Avos" Master Korabel; NRG Half Hull; HMS Speedy Vanguard Models
Jeffb Posted October 17, 2020 Author #12 Posted October 17, 2020 Just a quick update. Except for the bit holding the cannon on the carriage, I have finished the canon and am on to the rigging of the cannon. Unfortunately, the instructions for the kit don't elaborate much on the rigging of armament and I have to rely on other sources for reference. It is not yet mounted to the deck, I suspect the rigging will be easier before I make it permanent. schooner, Ryland Craze, JeffT and 2 others 5 Quote Jeff Betcher Current Builds: Completed Builds: Lively of Baltimore 1813 - The Lumberyard; 1/72 Canadair CL-215 water bomber Ontario markings, 1/72 Canadair CL-215 water bomber Newfoundland markings; 1/72 Canadair CL-415 water bomber Ontario markings Future Builds: Future Builds: HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina; Tender "Avos" Master Korabel; NRG Half Hull; HMS Speedy Vanguard Models
Jeffb Posted November 19, 2020 Author #13 Posted November 19, 2020 (edited) I have managed to get the cannon mounted and the rigging in place. Any constructive comments are welcome. Edited November 19, 2020 by Jeffb Ian_Grant, ccoyle, schooner and 3 others 6 Quote Jeff Betcher Current Builds: Completed Builds: Lively of Baltimore 1813 - The Lumberyard; 1/72 Canadair CL-215 water bomber Ontario markings, 1/72 Canadair CL-215 water bomber Newfoundland markings; 1/72 Canadair CL-415 water bomber Ontario markings Future Builds: Future Builds: HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina; Tender "Avos" Master Korabel; NRG Half Hull; HMS Speedy Vanguard Models
BobG Posted November 19, 2020 #14 Posted November 19, 2020 (edited) I have always thought this was a wonderful looking model and you're doing a great job on it, Jeff. Thank you also for your health care work. These are incredibly difficult times for all health care workers who accept the risk of their professions while being dedicated to caring for others. Hopefully, we'll put these terribly sad days behind us in the near future. Edited November 19, 2020 by BobG Quote Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild
jwvolz Posted November 19, 2020 #15 Posted November 19, 2020 That's nice work so far Jeff; I really like the color scheme you've used. I love those Baltimore clippers! I might even have to consider this for a future build. Nothing says I have to kill myself with increasing complexity on every subsequent build. Landlubber Mike 1 Quote Joe Volz Current build: Model Shipways "Benjamin W. Latham" Completed builds on MSW: Caldercraft HMS "Cruizer" Caldercraft HMBV "Granado" Model Shipways "Prince De Neufchatel"
Jeffb Posted November 20, 2020 Author #16 Posted November 20, 2020 Thank you, gentleman. Bob, I find my time in the workshop a much needed reprieve from the reality of the pandemic. The gun is now permanently fixed to the deck. I have another bump on the road with the pumps. The pumps in the kit are metal castings that don't fit with the rest of the model. I will try to scratchbuild better pumps. Stay safe schooner, VTHokiEE, BobG and 1 other 4 Quote Jeff Betcher Current Builds: Completed Builds: Lively of Baltimore 1813 - The Lumberyard; 1/72 Canadair CL-215 water bomber Ontario markings, 1/72 Canadair CL-215 water bomber Newfoundland markings; 1/72 Canadair CL-415 water bomber Ontario markings Future Builds: Future Builds: HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina; Tender "Avos" Master Korabel; NRG Half Hull; HMS Speedy Vanguard Models
BobG Posted November 21, 2020 #17 Posted November 21, 2020 I totally agree with your decision to scratch build those pump. They will look much better than those metal ones. Quote Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild
Jeffb Posted December 28, 2020 Author #18 Posted December 28, 2020 It's been a while since I posted an update. I have made some progress. I scratchbuilt the pumps. They may not be entirely accurate but they are a lot better than those supplied in the kit. I have also completed the deck fixtures. Vladimir_Wairoa, schooner and BobG 3 Quote Jeff Betcher Current Builds: Completed Builds: Lively of Baltimore 1813 - The Lumberyard; 1/72 Canadair CL-215 water bomber Ontario markings, 1/72 Canadair CL-215 water bomber Newfoundland markings; 1/72 Canadair CL-415 water bomber Ontario markings Future Builds: Future Builds: HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina; Tender "Avos" Master Korabel; NRG Half Hull; HMS Speedy Vanguard Models
Dr PR Posted December 28, 2020 #19 Posted December 28, 2020 Jeff, Nice work! I had missed this build in the past. We are both working on similar ships. I am currently designing the rigging and sails for the ship. I am curious, how long is the model (hull)? Do the plans give dimensions for the actual ship? Quote Phil Current build: USS Cape MSI-2 Current build: Albatros topsail schooner Previous build: USS Oklahoma City CLG-5 CAD model
Jeffb Posted December 29, 2020 Author #20 Posted December 29, 2020 20 hours ago, Dr PR said: Jeff, Nice work! I had missed this build in the past. We are both working on similar ships. I am currently designing the rigging and sails for the ship. I am curious, how long is the model (hull)? Do the plans give dimensions for the actual ship? Thank you, Phil. I've just had a look at your build and it is impressive. I will go back and read it in more detail. There is a lot of things I would do differently after seeing yours. Its all about learning from the building process of others and myself with each model being better than the previous. As for this build, the model is 1/48 scale, the hull is 15 inches and the beam is 4 inches. The dimensions on the plans are length BP: 56' 1" and beam 15' 3". The model is not one of an actual ship but is a representation of a small private armed schooner typical of the War of 1812 period. I hope this is helpful. Jeff Quote Jeff Betcher Current Builds: Completed Builds: Lively of Baltimore 1813 - The Lumberyard; 1/72 Canadair CL-215 water bomber Ontario markings, 1/72 Canadair CL-215 water bomber Newfoundland markings; 1/72 Canadair CL-415 water bomber Ontario markings Future Builds: Future Builds: HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina; Tender "Avos" Master Korabel; NRG Half Hull; HMS Speedy Vanguard Models
Jeffb Posted December 29, 2020 Author #21 Posted December 29, 2020 (edited) I have finished constructing the deadeyes and chainplates. The masts are next. Jeff Edited December 29, 2020 by Jeffb BobG, Ian_Grant, Ryland Craze and 1 other 4 Quote Jeff Betcher Current Builds: Completed Builds: Lively of Baltimore 1813 - The Lumberyard; 1/72 Canadair CL-215 water bomber Ontario markings, 1/72 Canadair CL-215 water bomber Newfoundland markings; 1/72 Canadair CL-415 water bomber Ontario markings Future Builds: Future Builds: HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina; Tender "Avos" Master Korabel; NRG Half Hull; HMS Speedy Vanguard Models
Dr PR Posted December 29, 2020 #22 Posted December 29, 2020 Jeff, Looking back over my build there are several things I would do differently now! For me it is a learning project, and seeing things to do differently is a sign I must be learning! For the inverted photo you might try loading it into Microsoft mspaint (it comes with Windows) and see if it is inverted there. If so you can rotate it 180 degrees. Also you might try to save it in a different format (JPEG, PNG, BMP, etc.) I would avoid GIF files - they are easily sabotaged with viruses so many programs will not load them. Quote Phil Current build: USS Cape MSI-2 Current build: Albatros topsail schooner Previous build: USS Oklahoma City CLG-5 CAD model
Jeffb Posted December 29, 2020 Author #23 Posted December 29, 2020 Thanks, Phil. I fixed it. Jeff Quote Jeff Betcher Current Builds: Completed Builds: Lively of Baltimore 1813 - The Lumberyard; 1/72 Canadair CL-215 water bomber Ontario markings, 1/72 Canadair CL-215 water bomber Newfoundland markings; 1/72 Canadair CL-415 water bomber Ontario markings Future Builds: Future Builds: HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina; Tender "Avos" Master Korabel; NRG Half Hull; HMS Speedy Vanguard Models
BobG Posted December 31, 2020 #24 Posted December 31, 2020 She looks really good, Jeff! Quote Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild
Jeffb Posted January 17, 2021 Author #25 Posted January 17, 2021 Thanks, Bob. Continuing on with the build, I have made some progress. I have mounted the model on a stand and have started on the masts. The bowsprit and jibboom are not permanently mounted, just set in position. I have also started on the foremast. It is set in place for the photo. That's all for now. Stay safe. Jeff Gregory, schooner, Ian_Grant and 1 other 4 Quote Jeff Betcher Current Builds: Completed Builds: Lively of Baltimore 1813 - The Lumberyard; 1/72 Canadair CL-215 water bomber Ontario markings, 1/72 Canadair CL-215 water bomber Newfoundland markings; 1/72 Canadair CL-415 water bomber Ontario markings Future Builds: Future Builds: HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina; Tender "Avos" Master Korabel; NRG Half Hull; HMS Speedy Vanguard Models
BobG Posted January 17, 2021 #26 Posted January 17, 2021 This is a really wonderful looking model, Jeff, nice work! Quote Bob Garcia "Measure once, cuss twice!" Current Builds: Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models Pen Duick - Artesania Latina 1:28 Completed: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Co. Member of the Nautical Research Guild
Jeffb Posted February 11, 2021 Author #27 Posted February 11, 2021 Thanks, Bob! Things have been progressing slowly in the shipyard. I've finished the masts, gaffs, booms, and yards. There's likely differing opinions on this but I went ahead and stepped the masts before rigging. One of the reasons that I stepped the masts before rigging was the way I did the mast coats. After doing some research and reading a number of build threads I thought it would be more authentic this way: I made a wooden ring at the deck level around the masts. I then took a strip of cheese cloth that I painted black and glued it over the ring around the mast to appear like tarred cloth around the base of the mast. This is the result: I have a bit of cleaning up to do where the bowsprit rests on the stem and a few touchups and its on to the rigging. Jeff MikeB4, BobG, GrandpaPhil and 2 others 5 Quote Jeff Betcher Current Builds: Completed Builds: Lively of Baltimore 1813 - The Lumberyard; 1/72 Canadair CL-215 water bomber Ontario markings, 1/72 Canadair CL-215 water bomber Newfoundland markings; 1/72 Canadair CL-415 water bomber Ontario markings Future Builds: Future Builds: HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina; Tender "Avos" Master Korabel; NRG Half Hull; HMS Speedy Vanguard Models
Dr PR Posted February 16, 2021 #28 Posted February 16, 2021 If you have questions about the rigging you might want to look here. I have been puzzling over topsail schooner rigging and have posted some of that I have learned. Quote Phil Current build: USS Cape MSI-2 Current build: Albatros topsail schooner Previous build: USS Oklahoma City CLG-5 CAD model
Jeffb Posted February 16, 2021 Author #29 Posted February 16, 2021 Thanks to those who have liked and commented on the build. Thanks Phil, for directing me to your thread. Wow! I started reading it and realized it's going to take more than a casual sit down to take it all in! I appreciate all the work you put into it and then sharing your learnings. I will definitely being using it as a resource for rigging this model as well as future builds. Jeff Quote Jeff Betcher Current Builds: Completed Builds: Lively of Baltimore 1813 - The Lumberyard; 1/72 Canadair CL-215 water bomber Ontario markings, 1/72 Canadair CL-215 water bomber Newfoundland markings; 1/72 Canadair CL-415 water bomber Ontario markings Future Builds: Future Builds: HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina; Tender "Avos" Master Korabel; NRG Half Hull; HMS Speedy Vanguard Models
Jeffb Posted December 21, 2021 Author #30 Posted December 21, 2021 I haven't posted for a while; my apologies. I seem to have hit a wall when I got to the rigging and worked on some other things for a bit while I contemplated the rigging. This forum has been a great resource to get me up and running again as I slowly, oh so slowly, carry on with this build. Here are some progress photos: I've finished the standing rigging at this point and I have to take more photos for an update. This is great fun. Thanks for checking in. Any helpful comments/advice is appreciated. Jeff MikeB4, mtaylor, ccoyle and 3 others 6 Quote Jeff Betcher Current Builds: Completed Builds: Lively of Baltimore 1813 - The Lumberyard; 1/72 Canadair CL-215 water bomber Ontario markings, 1/72 Canadair CL-215 water bomber Newfoundland markings; 1/72 Canadair CL-415 water bomber Ontario markings Future Builds: Future Builds: HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina; Tender "Avos" Master Korabel; NRG Half Hull; HMS Speedy Vanguard Models
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