cog Posted May 29, 2019 Share #61 Posted May 29, 2019 I don't suggest anything, as it is your build, and you should be happy with the way it looks. I'm not here to guide you into building "my" version. I just enjoy the ride, and ask silly questions out of curiosity Carl Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MESSIS Posted May 29, 2019 Author Share #62 Posted May 29, 2019 (edited) @cog Dear Carl am very happy that you follow my log and very glad for all your comments/questions.... You make me ask myself questions and that is nice. So your questions are definitely not "silly"... on the contrary they are helping. I dont know if my previous response sounded defensive. That wasnt meant to be. And if it did, that makes me feel very embarrassed, so please accept my apologies. As already said please keep coming with ideas... it helps a lot and ofcourse it makes the log more lively! Still would like your thoughts on the issue of painting a finish layer over the already painted hull. Christos Edited May 29, 2019 by MESSIS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted May 29, 2019 Share #63 Posted May 29, 2019 My reason for asking: I found the colours rather lifeless, flat, I might have added a satin finish, it would look more like the finish on HMS Victory, or L'Hermione's replica ... c'est tout Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MESSIS Posted May 30, 2019 Author Share #64 Posted May 30, 2019 (edited) @cog haven't though of this and it seems you are right. Good point! Am going to make some tests and see how it looks. And yes satin finish can bring it to life. Have only one fear... if the satin finish takes away the plank pattern that is now visible (I tried hard to maintain it by using a very thin primer layer and just one coat of finish paint) I ll let you know about the test. I am going first to wait to finish the copper in case I need to touch up paint damages. Thx Carl Christos Edited May 30, 2019 by MESSIS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted May 30, 2019 Share #65 Posted May 30, 2019 You can dilute lacquer too my friend. Acrylic paints can be applied rather thin. When I look at my plastic builds, I used rattle can lacquer, and those still show the details. Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MESSIS Posted May 30, 2019 Author Share #66 Posted May 30, 2019 (edited) @cogYes thats correct. Look the pictures I did some tests... the blue looks much better with a sattin varnish. The yellow its not bad.... the black I dont know it seems you are right again I have to dilute with more water. What do you think? Christos Edited May 30, 2019 by MESSIS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted May 30, 2019 Share #67 Posted May 30, 2019 (edited) It seems the varnish brings out the structure of the wood. You could try a mat varnish to see what effect that will give. It will never be really flat, so give it a try Edited May 30, 2019 by cog Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MESSIS Posted May 30, 2019 Author Share #68 Posted May 30, 2019 (edited) @cog yes you right. Its the admiralty satin matt.... its very nice on unpainted wood though, but here.... I ll give it a shot, but matt am afraid it wont take away the flatness Christos Edited May 30, 2019 by MESSIS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MESSIS Posted May 30, 2019 Author Share #69 Posted May 30, 2019 Coppering goes on.... cog, mtbediz and Dutchman 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MESSIS Posted June 7, 2019 Author Share #70 Posted June 7, 2019 (edited) So now after 160 working hours -from beginning the build in.March- I have ended the coppering. I used about 1000 plates, as the 1790 Ship, a bottle of acetone and 2 lemons to clean the plates from glue and finger tips although I was wearing plastic gloves during this work. I also used up the kitchen nylon roll of my wife! (Used it to cover the finished coppering). At the end the rudder with its pintels and gudgeons... you can see in the picture the greek words for those two items. And ofcourse the false keel was left without copper sheathing, in order to allow the replacement of the false keel when needed Edited June 7, 2019 by MESSIS JayCub, Dutchman, BenD and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarkon Posted June 7, 2019 Share #71 Posted June 7, 2019 Very nice work! Your copper plates look excellent! Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MESSIS Posted June 7, 2019 Author Share #72 Posted June 7, 2019 Thank you Jeff.. Are you going to copper her also? Christos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted June 7, 2019 Share #73 Posted June 7, 2019 Looks like you haven't finished quite ..., nevertheless it looks amazing, and so clean ... Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MESSIS Posted June 7, 2019 Author Share #74 Posted June 7, 2019 (edited) @cog The first picture it shows the finished coppering, now the second picture (showing a stage before finishing) was supposed to be posted before the first one, but something went wrong I guess.... anyway I just reedited the post and placed the pictures in the correct time sequence. 👌 Quote Its very warm allready in Cyprus... 32 degrees Celsius. So thank you for your understanding!😎 Edited June 7, 2019 by MESSIS mtbediz and GrandpaPhil 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted June 7, 2019 Share #75 Posted June 7, 2019 I meant the bottom of the keel. Looks still "uncopperd".. I wouldn't mind thse temperatures in Cyprus, but those are a disaster here - high humidity Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MESSIS Posted June 7, 2019 Author Share #76 Posted June 7, 2019 @cog I noted: And ofcourse the false keel was left without copper sheathing, in order to allow the replacement of the false keel when needed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted June 7, 2019 Share #77 Posted June 7, 2019 ah, that explaims it Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarkon Posted June 7, 2019 Share #78 Posted June 7, 2019 I am not sure yet if I will copper or not. I have to say, I really like how yours is looking with the copper! Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarkon Posted June 7, 2019 Share #79 Posted June 7, 2019 I am not sure yet if I will copper or not. I have to say, I really like how yours is looking with the copper! Jeff GrandpaPhil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandpaPhil Posted June 7, 2019 Share #80 Posted June 7, 2019 I’ve coppered two hulls now. It’s well worth the work. RichardG 1 Quote Building: 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships) On the building slip: 1:72 French Ironclad Magenta (original shipyard plans) On hold: 1:98 Mantua HMS Victory (kit bash), 1:96 Shipyard HMS Mercury Favorite finished builds: 1:60 Sampang Good Fortune (Amati plans), 1:200 Orel Ironclad Solferino, 1:72 Schooner Hannah (Hahn plans), 1:72 Privateer Prince de Neufchatel (Chapelle plans), Model Shipways Sultana, Heller La Reale, Encore USS Olympia Goal: Become better than I was yesterday "The hardest part is deciding to try." - me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MESSIS Posted June 8, 2019 Author Share #81 Posted June 8, 2019 (edited) @cog it seems you forget Cyprus is in.Mediterranean and almost in Middle East... so humidity is uncomncomparly worst than The Netherlands. Just an example: in August there are days that humidity may reaches even 90% and temperature 40 deg. Celsius! .Now is still wonderful with 28 degrees and 65% humidity. Edited June 8, 2019 by MESSIS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cog Posted June 8, 2019 Share #82 Posted June 8, 2019 You are saying: steer clear of Cyprus? Quote Carl "Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson Search and you might find a log ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MESSIS Posted June 8, 2019 Author Share #83 Posted June 8, 2019 (edited) @cogOh no! Have a look at the two pictures I posted above. And think about the Mediterranean cuisine.So... no just dont do it on August. Christos Edited June 8, 2019 by MESSIS cog 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MESSIS Posted June 11, 2019 Author Share #84 Posted June 11, 2019 (edited) Proceeding with the gun deck. Lining of the walls and the inside of the gun ports. And the waterway's harder reinforcing wood (stained) is connecting the deck floor with the walls. It has a concave profile in order to drain the water at the scuppers. (I dont know why but the AL instruction show a concave waterway!) Edited June 11, 2019 by MESSIS Zarkon, Dutchman, cog and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MESSIS Posted June 14, 2019 Author Share #85 Posted June 14, 2019 (edited) Finished the gun-ports lining. There are 15 gun-ports on each side. The last gun-poet before the ship's stern had no cannon, it was a glazed window of Lafayet''s cabin(same on the other ship side for Lafayette's second). The first gun-ports on each side, near the cheeks of the head, are the bow chaser gun-ports (firing at pursued ships). Both have hinged port lids to avoid water from large waves entering the ship. All the other gun-ports -when not in use-had a false lid. Edited June 14, 2019 by MESSIS Dutchman, RussR, Zarkon and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MESSIS Posted June 14, 2019 Author Share #86 Posted June 14, 2019 Thats the last gun-port, actually the glazed window of Lafayette's cabin. cog and goetzi73 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MESSIS Posted June 15, 2019 Author Share #87 Posted June 15, 2019 the details of the glazed window/gun-port and that of bow chaser gun-port closed (hinged port lid) chris watton, Dutchman, cog and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MESSIS Posted June 19, 2019 Author Share #88 Posted June 19, 2019 Gun-deck going on Dutchman, J11, Zarkon and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MESSIS Posted June 20, 2019 Author Share #89 Posted June 20, 2019 (edited) The 12 lb Cannons, line production. She carried 26 of those and 6 cannons of 6 lb. Edited June 20, 2019 by MESSIS mtbediz, J11, GrandpaPhil and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MESSIS Posted June 21, 2019 Author Share #90 Posted June 21, 2019 (edited) There are three different cannon sizes on board. The 12 lb cannons (26 pieces as the 1779 ship), the 6 lb cannons (16 pcs/ 1779 ship carried only 8 pcs) and the 1 lb swivel cannons (2 pcs/1779 ship 10 pcs). Edited June 22, 2019 by MESSIS cog, goetzi73, J11 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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