Overworked724 Posted January 4, 2022 Author Share #721 Posted January 4, 2022 5 hours ago, Justin P. said: What a beautiful result! So clean and uniform... you must be proud of that job! Thanks for the kudos, @Justin P. Justin! Deeply appreciated. Actually, I almost changed my mind to go with the Amati plates when I saw how beautiful your hull came out. But, I spent so much time making those stamps, I felt ‘pot committed’ with regards to using the kit supplied tape!!! 🤣 Justin P. 1 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted January 4, 2022 Author Share #722 Posted January 4, 2022 (edited) Coppering is complete! Cutting away the tape was a bit more difficult than I expected. Doing it this way made it easy to visualize the waterline, but it left a nasty edge to the existing copper plates. However, the copper tape was wider than the stripping tape, so installing the upper belt was a breeze. A few of the copper plate edges have popped up, but nothing major. So I’ll call this finished and move on to the rudder. Edited January 4, 2022 by Overworked724 Gahm, doxidad, ccoyle and 7 others 9 1 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiscoH Posted January 4, 2022 Share #723 Posted January 4, 2022 That looks fantastic. Thank you again for your thorough explanation and pics, it really helps newbies like me. Also its just beautiful to look at Justin P., Overworked724 and Sea Hoss 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin P. Posted January 4, 2022 Share #724 Posted January 4, 2022 13 hours ago, Overworked724 said: I almost changed my mind to go with the Amati plates when I saw how beautiful your hull came out. You know what, I think you did such a nice job that the Amati plates would have been a mistake. If I thought could have done it this well with that material and a stamp I might have stuck with that method myself. The Amati plates I think were a bit of a cheat. Yours turned out really fantastic. Overworked724 1 Quote Current: US Brig SYREN - Model Shipways - Scale 1:64 Completed: HMS TRITON - Cross Section - Scale 1:48 / Gallery Secret Vessel MOREL - Master Korabel - Scale 1:36 / Gallery 18th Century Armed Longboat - Model Shipways - Scale 1:24 / Gallery HMS BOUNTY Launch - Model Shipways - Scale 1:16 / Gallery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niwotwill Posted January 4, 2022 Share #725 Posted January 4, 2022 As always Patrick your attention to detail ends with magnificent results. Very well done really well done I mean. Just one thing I did not think of on my and has resulted it uneven tarnishing. FINGERPRINTS. Best regards and a Happy and Healthy New Year Will Overworked724 1 Quote Current Build: Erycina 1882 Fishing Trawler by Vanguard Models 1:64 scale Syren by pearwill Model Shipways 1:64 scale On Hold: HM Cutter Cheerful Syren Shipmodel Scratch 1:48 scale 1776 Washington Row Galley scratch scratch from NRG plans #121 1:48 scale Completed Build: Charles W. Morgan by Artesania Latina circa 1988, Lowell Grand Banks Dory 1:24 scale by Model Shipways, Norwegian.Sailing Pram 1:12 scale by Model Shipways, Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack 1:24 scale by Model Shipways Member Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted January 4, 2022 Author Share #726 Posted January 4, 2022 8 hours ago, CiscoH said: Thank you again for your thorough explanation and pics, it really helps newbies like me. Hey Cisco. Much appreciated! But I am still very much a newbie with only the completed Sultana in my model resume. I can say that most of my ideas are adopted (or modified) from other modeler’s posts. But posting the process helps me as well…to keep me motivated and to look back on what I did for future reference! Good and bad alike…it’s all beneficial to others. @niwotwill Will, 🙌 yes! I can honestly say I’ve got 3 miles of fingerprints on my hull. I tried using gloves but that’s simply a no go. I plan to do a gentle once over with isopropyl alcohol to try and remove the majority of the finger oil. Just tried on a swatch of plates I laid down a couple weeks ago and it doesn’t seem to impact the plate adherence. @Justin P. Hey Justin! I would say the Amati plates have some advantages…and you save some time in not having to make them. I honestly wasn’t too confident I could glue them on cleanly since they aren’t self adhering. You did a beautiful job with them. 👍🏽 Pluses and minuses to both options. CiscoH 1 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted January 4, 2022 Author Share #727 Posted January 4, 2022 Quickie post. Got the false keel in. Wood glue with pins. Since I broke up the keel into sections, was much simpler to install. Also confirmed clean access for mounting screws. 👍🏽 Rudder is next… Ryland Craze, CiscoH, ccoyle and 2 others 5 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted January 4, 2022 Author Share #728 Posted January 4, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, Overworked724 said: Cutting away the tape was a bit more difficult than I expected. Doing it this way made it easy to visualize the waterline, but it left a nasty edge to the existing copper plates. If I could repeat this step, I’d have used a round edge exacto like a #10 instead of the straight edge #11. I think it would have made the cutting easier and the exposed edge a bit less raw. Edited January 4, 2022 by Overworked724 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPDDET Posted January 4, 2022 Share #729 Posted January 4, 2022 As always Pat, your setting the bar for the rest of us. Overworked724 1 Quote Current build: NRG Half Hull Previous build: MS Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted January 5, 2022 Author Share #730 Posted January 5, 2022 2 hours ago, CPDDET said: As always Pat, your setting the bar for the rest of us. Thanks, Dave! Flattery earns you a beer at the next MMS club meeting! 🤣 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPDDET Posted January 5, 2022 Share #731 Posted January 5, 2022 (edited) That will be the best beer I've had in 2 years! LOL Edited January 5, 2022 by CPDDET change Overworked724 1 Quote Current build: NRG Half Hull Previous build: MS Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abelson Posted January 5, 2022 Share #732 Posted January 5, 2022 Excellent work on the coppering. One of the better ones I've seen. I'm enjoying your progress. Overworked724 1 Quote Steven E. Sylven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted January 5, 2022 Author Share #733 Posted January 5, 2022 4 hours ago, abelson said: Excellent work on the coppering. One of the better ones I've seen. I'm enjoying your progress. Thanks, Steve!! Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted January 6, 2022 Author Share #734 Posted January 6, 2022 (edited) Rudder made. Painted the entire thing black above the copper just because. Now getting ready for the part which has given me frets and the area I particularly struggled on the Sultana…the Pintles and Gudgeons! Moving on..,👍🏽 Edited January 6, 2022 by Overworked724 Gahm, ccoyle, CPDDET and 1 other 4 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Posted January 6, 2022 Share #735 Posted January 6, 2022 (edited) Very nice look of the rudder! 3 hours ago, Overworked724 said: Now getting ready for the part which has given me frets and the area I particularly struggled on the Sultana…the Pintles and Gudgeons! You may have it finished by the time you read this, but have you considered faking the Pintles and Gudgeons? The method is to pin the rudder to the stern post, then use card or tape to simulate the straps.. One of my pins is not as well hidden as it should be.. Do you see it? Edited January 6, 2022 by Gregory WalrusGuy 1 Quote “Indecision may or may not be my problem.” ― Jimmy Buffett Current builds: Rattlesnake (Scratch From MS Plans On Hold: HMS Resolution ( AKA Ferrett ) In the Gallery: Yacht Mary, Gretel, French Cannon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted January 6, 2022 Author Share #736 Posted January 6, 2022 @Gregory Your P&G’s look marvelous! I did consider paper and had actually used them in the past on another build. This time, my goal was to actually make them as real functional P&G’s…bolts and all. Mounting the rudder using pins certainly makes the process more bullet proof. I’ll probably use this method in future builds. If anything, it will lower my blood pressure! 😁 Gregory 1 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted January 7, 2022 Author Share #737 Posted January 7, 2022 Pintles in…they look OK. I think I could still go down a bit in thickness on them but they work. The small brass nails were actually quite easy to install…was lucky enough to invest in a ‘nail’ pliers which made inserting the bolts much easier. I test fit the pins into the pintles and will install them later after the gudgeons (🤞) have been installed. Baby pics: Moving on… Gregory, ccoyle, Gahm and 3 others 6 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted January 7, 2022 Author Share #738 Posted January 7, 2022 (edited) Ok. Got my gudgeons in…I’m not certain how others make/line up/install there P&G’s, but this part of the build is really intimidating to me. So I put a lot of preparation into how I would avoid bruising the copper. That was my biggest concern! So… here was my ridiculous approach to mounting these suckers. First, I put in the ‘pins’ into the pintles on the rudder: Next, I sanded in a slight bevel into the inner edge of each side of the gudgeons. Imagine snow skis. I wanted the gudgeons to slide across the sternpost without grabbing/scratching the copper foil. Then, I slid the gudgeon onto the stem post, using the tiny nail head I had placed into the post as an abutment to keep them from sliding. If you recall, when I test fit the P&G’s, I put in tiny nails (used in installing the P&G’s) as markers. They can’t really be seen and the copper easily wrapped around them. Then I lined up the gudgeons with the pintles and inserted the nails. The end result is pretty nice. 👍🏽 The copper plating was unscathed, and the rudder was cleanly aligned. The only minor discrepancy which my eye sees immediately is the fact that the bottom of the rudder ended up about 0.5mm higher then the false keel. However, I’m totally willing to accept that little ‘wart’ considering how nicely they turned out. Miller Time!!!! Edited January 8, 2022 by Overworked724 abelson, Paul Le Wol, Gregory and 6 others 9 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted January 7, 2022 Author Share #739 Posted January 7, 2022 (edited) FYI…and the rudder is easily removed and installed as needed which was my ultimate goal. 👍🏽 Edited January 7, 2022 by Overworked724 Gregory and Ryland Craze 2 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPDDET Posted January 7, 2022 Share #740 Posted January 7, 2022 Crisp, clean and nicely detailed. Very nice work, Pat. Overworked724 1 Quote Current build: NRG Half Hull Previous build: MS Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPDDET Posted January 7, 2022 Share #741 Posted January 7, 2022 Just a thought. Did you consider blackening these pieces or coating the brass to prevent discoloration? Quote Current build: NRG Half Hull Previous build: MS Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted January 8, 2022 Author Share #742 Posted January 8, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, CPDDET said: Just a thought. Did you consider blackening these pieces or coating the brass to prevent discoloration? Nope. Call it a purposeful deviation. I think the P&G’s, polished and with an obvious brass metallic sheen contrasted nicely with the copper. I’m a chemist, and I’m not entirely certain that copper (a soft metal) was used in the P&G’s. Anodic/cathodic reactions would occur due to impurities in the metals available in that age regardless of whether they were the same metals or not. So I’m more inclined to believe they may have been bronze. The copper plating and brass P&G’s will oxidize and take on a different patina. Either way, they look good and the idea of blackening never touched my awareness! 😁 Edited January 8, 2022 by Overworked724 Ryland Craze 1 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPDDET Posted January 8, 2022 Share #743 Posted January 8, 2022 They look great against the copper plate. I've often struggled over consistency in my model when it comes to metal work. All blackened? All natural brass color? Mixed? Overworked724 1 Quote Current build: NRG Half Hull Previous build: MS Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted January 8, 2022 Author Share #744 Posted January 8, 2022 3 hours ago, CPDDET said: They look great against the copper plate. I've often struggled over consistency in my model when it comes to metal work. All blackened? All natural brass color? Mixed? Actually, Dave…the topmost P&G’s are supposed to be black to match the paint. However, now that they’re on, I reconsidered and went with exotic metal clash rather than historic accuracy! 😜 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abelson Posted January 9, 2022 Share #745 Posted January 9, 2022 Excellent working rudder. Dave_E and Overworked724 2 Quote Steven E. Sylven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted January 9, 2022 Author Share #746 Posted January 9, 2022 5 hours ago, abelson said: Excellent working rudder. Thanks , Abe! Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted January 10, 2022 Author Share #747 Posted January 10, 2022 Just putzed a bit with the figurehead. Spent some time polishing it and getting rid of the burrs and roughness. It’s actually a pretty nicely shaped piece after all that…and I’ve double checked the fit and she slides onto the stem like a glove. I had briefly entertained the idea of trying to carve one, but I’m humble enough to admit I’d never come close to this clean of an image. So I’ll plan on painting her…just not sure the effect I’m shooting for…Wood? Copper? Multicolor? Decisions… abelson 1 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gahm Posted January 10, 2022 Share #748 Posted January 10, 2022 You did an excellent job on your rudder! It looks great! Thomas Overworked724 1 Quote Current Built: Model Shipways Syren (US Brig 1803) Last Built: Anfora (kit bashed) Ictineo II (1st steam powered submarine 1864) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overworked724 Posted January 10, 2022 Author Share #749 Posted January 10, 2022 3 hours ago, Gahm said: You did an excellent job on your rudder! It looks great! Thomas Sincere thanks, Thomas!!! It was a joy to see the rudder slide into place without issue. Over planning made that fearful task a bit less ominous. I won’t be so gun shy on my next build…which at my current speed probably won’t occur until 2030! CPDDET 1 Quote ---------------------------------------------------- “Work like a Captain....Play like a Pirate!” — Every Ship Modeler...everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gahm Posted January 11, 2022 Share #750 Posted January 11, 2022 Don't worry about the year 2030. At the speed I am going you will be finished before me anyway 🙂 Thomas Overworked724 1 Quote Current Built: Model Shipways Syren (US Brig 1803) Last Built: Anfora (kit bashed) Ictineo II (1st steam powered submarine 1864) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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