The Bitter End Posted September 25, 2019 Share #1 Posted September 25, 2019 Good day Gentlemen/women After much thought, research and deliberation(literally years of umming and aahing) I decided that I would bite the bullet and purchase a fairly challenging vessel to start my career in model ship building. I settled on the HMS Pegasus and I am extremely excited about getting started on it. I realise that any sane person would have started on something far more simple but my thinking is as follows... 1. I have prepared myself for what I expect to be a 2 year project. 2. The wealth of knowledge, willingness to help and attention to detail that can be found on this forum really gave me hope that I could work through this project and succeed. 3. I feel that every single element of doing this project is essentially very simple if it is broken down to its tiniest detail, every step is researched carefully and tackled without haste. 4. I like to think that I am fairly good with my hands. I do blacksmithing and carpentry both as hobbies and essential skills for a farmer in a remote part of South Africa. I hope that this somewhat simplified approach to this problem will turn out to be correct but the proof will be in the proverbial pudding. As of this moment I am still waiting for my model to arrive(I ordered directly from AMATI and paid 319 Euros including shipping). Unfortunately amati used a shipping company called Asendia who then handed the shipping over to the South African post office. This means that I can expect my package to arrive sometime within the next week or possibly during the next ice age. At this stage my primary means of securing my package is being on hold to the post office, checking my tracking number 380 times a day and thumb holding. In the meantime I have built a couple of simple tools to assist me and purchased the rest. The home made tools include. A "U" shaped desk(which through some bizarre negotiation with my girlfriend ended up being painted "teal"(thats blue to you and I)) An adjustable, lockable, rotating, swiveling, pitching, rolling keel clamp An adjustable keel rest (this is probably not the right term) And a guillotine with adjustable angles that takes a carpet knife blade. A plank bender made from a forged and polished chunk of copper and a soldering iron. I am not sure if there is a specific place where I should post photos and text about some of the tools that I made or if anyone would be interested in this but the information if available if anyone is interested. I also managed to get hold of a broken down scroll saw for a bargain and I restored it to a condition that im proud of. I have a dremmel stylus with a decent selection of attachments as well as the following bits and pieces Soldering Iron hand scroll saw razor saw multiple scalpel blade holders a variety of drawing equipment for technical drawig a variety of drill bits, sandpaper, clips, clamps, files, brushes, chisels blades, rulers, squares, clippers, cutters and pliers. If anyone has any questions, advice, suggestions or guidance for me(or perhaps a recommendation for which pegasus/fly builds to reference most) then I would be eternally grateful. Gods speed to you all! Cheers! Haiko(The Bitter End) ccoyle, GrandpaPhil, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Current Build -HMS Pegasus by The_bitter_end - Amati/Victory Models - 1:64 scale Next Build - USS Constitution by The_bitter_End - Model shipways - 1:72 Scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce d Posted September 25, 2019 Share #2 Posted September 25, 2019 Hello Haiko and welcome to MSW. Your approach sounds good, hope the parcel arrives safe and sound. There is a place for tools and jigs, scroll down the forum list and look for the clues in the titles. You can ask anything here: I have and it can lead in interesting directions. druxey and mtaylor 2 Quote 🌻 STAY SAFE A model shipwright and an amateur historian are heads & tails of the same coin current builds: HMS Berwick 1775, 1/192 scratchbuild; a Slade 74 in the Navy Board style Mediator sloop, 1/48 - an 18th century transport scratchbuild French longboat - CAF - 1/48, on hold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loupy45 Posted September 25, 2019 Share #3 Posted September 25, 2019 Hello form Cape town (Durbanville) , unfortunately you will have to pay customs and post office handling charges. I purchase my kit from Artisania Latina "San Juan Nepomuceno" in Barcelona while i was on holiday. I took me 47 months to finish. I posted the photos on the MSW. If i can be of any assistance let me know. Regards, Renato druxey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted September 25, 2019 Share #4 Posted September 25, 2019 Hello Haiko, and a warm welcome form over in OZ. John mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bitter End Posted September 25, 2019 Author Share #5 Posted September 25, 2019 3 hours ago, bruce d said: Hello Haiko and welcome to MSW. Your approach sounds good, hope the parcel arrives safe and sound. There is a place for tools and jigs, scroll down the forum list and look for the clues in the titles. You can ask anything here: I have and it can lead in interesting directions. Hi Bruce! Thanks for the support and kind words, I already have hundreds of questions but I decided for everones sanity that I should cross each bridge as I get to it and then patiently wait for replies before progressing to the next step in my build. DO you recommend starting a build log? and if so would that be an appopriate place to ask questions as I go? druxey and mtaylor 2 Quote Current Build -HMS Pegasus by The_bitter_end - Amati/Victory Models - 1:64 scale Next Build - USS Constitution by The_bitter_End - Model shipways - 1:72 Scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bitter End Posted September 25, 2019 Author Share #6 Posted September 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Jim Lad said: Hello Haiko, and a warm welcome form over in OZ. John Jim Lad, thank you for the welcome. It seems like sharing a hemisphere makes us neighbors in this hobby. I hope you are enjoying the start of summer as much as I am. Quote Current Build -HMS Pegasus by The_bitter_end - Amati/Victory Models - 1:64 scale Next Build - USS Constitution by The_bitter_End - Model shipways - 1:72 Scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bitter End Posted September 25, 2019 Author Share #7 Posted September 25, 2019 2 hours ago, loupy45 said: Hello form Cape town (Durbanville) , unfortunately you will have to pay customs and post office handling charges. I purchase my kit from Artisania Latina "San Juan Nepomuceno" in Barcelona while i was on holiday. I took me 47 months to finish. I posted the photos on the MSW. If i can be of any assistance let me know. Regards, Renato G'day to you Loupy I know Durbanville well, I grew up in the southern suburbs before moving into the karoo to farm. Its good to know there is someone so close to home to help, I think you can expect me to pick your brain on surviving this hobby in RSA where everything is just a little harder to get and takes just a little longer. I believe that I actually took a look at your build while doing my research. If Iremember correctly it is inspiringly beautiful. If you dont mind me asking, of the 47 months of work, were there long breaks inbetween or was it more or less constant chipping away? I hope you are mistaken about the customs bill according to the schedule there is no charge but who knows what is going to happen, the whim on the SA post office and customs has proven to be somewhat fluid.( I hope you can see the extract from the customs website below) mtaylor and druxey 2 Quote Current Build -HMS Pegasus by The_bitter_end - Amati/Victory Models - 1:64 scale Next Build - USS Constitution by The_bitter_End - Model shipways - 1:72 Scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolley Roger Posted September 25, 2019 Share #8 Posted September 25, 2019 (edited) Welcome Haiko! Looks like you are of to a great start. If you are in the Koo valley then you should have access to pear and apple wood - very valuable for model ship building. All the best and good luck with the SAPO. Edited September 25, 2019 by Jolley Roger Add mtaylor 1 Quote Samuel Pepys notes in his diary on 19 July 1667: "the Dutch fleets being in so many places, that Sir W. Batten at table cried, By God,says he, I think the Devil shits Dutchmen." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted September 25, 2019 Share #9 Posted September 25, 2019 Congratulations! The Pegasus is a relatively easy build, as all major components are pre-cut, and the photo etched decoration will always fit perfectly and is very easy to apply. The most difficult part will be hull planking, but make sure you check in here for advice, all the planks need is a slight taper and perhaps a soak in water for extra pliability. mtaylor and druxey 2 Quote Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bitter End Posted September 25, 2019 Author Share #10 Posted September 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, Jolley Roger said: Welcome Haiko! Looks like you are of to a great start. If you are in the Koo valley then you should have access to pear and apple wood - very valuable for model ship building. All the best and good luck with the SAPO. Good afternoon Mr. Roger Thanks for the positivity, I need all I can get. You are absolutely correct, I didn't even think about that. You might be horrified to hear that I use pear wood to braai(barbecue) on. If you(or anyone else in the hobby) ever need apple, pear, peach,plum or apricot wood I have access to an almost unlimited supply which you are most welcome to. Infact I am about to pull out 900 forelle pear trees if you are looking for fresh wood. mtaylor and Jolley Roger 2 Quote Current Build -HMS Pegasus by The_bitter_end - Amati/Victory Models - 1:64 scale Next Build - USS Constitution by The_bitter_End - Model shipways - 1:72 Scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bitter End Posted September 25, 2019 Author Share #11 Posted September 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, chris watton said: Congratulations! The Pegasus is a relatively easy build, as all major components are pre-cut, and the photo etched decoration will always fit perfectly and is very easy to apply. The most difficult part will be hull planking, but make sure you check in here for advice, all the planks need is a slight taper and perhaps a soak in water for extra pliability. Thanks Chris! I agree entirely that the hull planking looks like it might be the greatest challenge. Im hoping that I can learn the bulk of my lessons(without destroying the model) ont the first planking so that my second planking doesnt suffer too much. What is an appropriate soaking time for hull planking and should one then make further adjustments with the application of heat? mtaylor 1 Quote Current Build -HMS Pegasus by The_bitter_end - Amati/Victory Models - 1:64 scale Next Build - USS Constitution by The_bitter_End - Model shipways - 1:72 Scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris watton Posted September 25, 2019 Share #12 Posted September 25, 2019 I usually only soak the planks for a few minutes, if you leave it too long, too much water soaks into the wood and as it dries out, the planks shrink and leave gaps between each. I have personally never used a heat gun for the limewood, as it's quite pliable anyway. However, everyone will have their own method for planking. mtaylor and druxey 2 Quote Vanguard Models on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandpaPhil Posted September 25, 2019 Share #13 Posted September 25, 2019 Welcome! mtaylor 1 Quote Building: 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolley Roger Posted September 25, 2019 Share #14 Posted September 25, 2019 51 minutes ago, The_bitter_end said: You might be horrified to hear that I use pear wood to braai(barbecue) on. If you(or anyone else in the hobby) ever need apple, pear, peach,plum or apricot wood I have access to an almost unlimited supply which you are most welcome to. In fact I am about to pull out 900 forelle pear trees if you are looking for fresh wood. Ha ha, not at all, you have your priorities straight! Over here (I live in Hartbeespoort, North West) we braai with Red Ivory! Thank you for the generous offer, you should consider selling to the local hobbyists. ☺️ I bought some Swiss pear(steamed pear) from Rare Woods in Knysna about two weeks ago, selling for R62000 per cubic meter! https://www.rarewoods.co.za/wood-price-list mtaylor 1 Quote Samuel Pepys notes in his diary on 19 July 1667: "the Dutch fleets being in so many places, that Sir W. Batten at table cried, By God,says he, I think the Devil shits Dutchmen." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerdvr Posted September 25, 2019 Share #15 Posted September 25, 2019 Welcome. I know it's just me but I tend to let a build log interfere with my actual building project. Considering this is your first major project you might consider focusing on the build itself. You seem have a good systematic approach which will be a great asset. As they say (whoever "they" are) there's no such thing as a dumb question just unanswered questions. So don't hesitate to share your questions with others on this site. That will help you and others of us that may have the same question. Most important, enjoy yourself. When things get frustrating, take a break. Cheers, Harley mtaylor 1 Quote Cheers, Harley<p Under Construction: USS Yorktown CV-5 1/200 by Trumpeter Completed: USS Curtis Wilbur DDG-54 1/200 by ILoveKit USS Atlanta CL-51 1/350 by Very Fire Liberty Ship John W. Brown 1/350 by Trumpeter HMS Spiraea K-08 1/350 USS Arizona BB-39 1/200 by Trumpeter/Mk1 Design HMS Sir Gareth 1/350 by Starling Models USS Missouri BB-63 1945 1/350 by Joy-Yard, 9/11/21 USS Indianapolis CA-35 1945 1/350 by Trumpeter USS Kidd DD-661, 1945, 1/350, on The Sullivans kit by Trumpeter USS Alaska CB-1, 1/350, Hobby Boss, Circa 2/1945 US Brig Syren 1/64 Model Shipways, Wood Started, On Hold: Frigate Confederacy 1/64 Model Shipways, Wood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt H Posted September 25, 2019 Share #16 Posted September 25, 2019 Hello and welcome. mtaylor 1 Quote Matt Completed Builds: Viking Drakkar - Amati - Scale 1:50 18th Century Longboat - Model Shipways - Scale 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted September 26, 2019 Share #17 Posted September 26, 2019 Welcome to MSW, Haiko. It sounds like you have a good plan and now you have a great support system here. Do start a build log once you have the model in hand. It's a great way to get help and make friends. As for the tools... you can open a topic here: https://modelshipworld.com/forum/18-modeling-tools-and-workshop-equipment/ Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bitter End Posted September 26, 2019 Author Share #18 Posted September 26, 2019 17 hours ago, chris watton said: I usually only soak the planks for a few minutes, if you leave it too long, too much water soaks into the wood and as it dries out, the planks shrink and leave gaps between each. I have personally never used a heat gun for the limewood, as it's quite pliable anyway. However, everyone will have their own method for planking. Thanks for getting back to me Chris. I will do a couple of trials with soak times and heat/no heat and do a mini post about a novices ability to use each method. mtaylor 1 Quote Current Build -HMS Pegasus by The_bitter_end - Amati/Victory Models - 1:64 scale Next Build - USS Constitution by The_bitter_End - Model shipways - 1:72 Scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bitter End Posted September 26, 2019 Author Share #19 Posted September 26, 2019 17 hours ago, GrandpaPhil said: Welcome! Thanks Gramps! mtaylor 1 Quote Current Build -HMS Pegasus by The_bitter_end - Amati/Victory Models - 1:64 scale Next Build - USS Constitution by The_bitter_End - Model shipways - 1:72 Scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bitter End Posted September 26, 2019 Author Share #20 Posted September 26, 2019 14 hours ago, tigerdvr said: Welcome. I know it's just me but I tend to let a build log interfere with my actual building project. Considering this is your first major project you might consider focusing on the build itself. You seem have a good systematic approach which will be a great asset. As they say (whoever "they" are) there's no such thing as a dumb question just unanswered questions. So don't hesitate to share your questions with others on this site. That will help you and others of us that may have the same question. Most important, enjoy yourself. When things get frustrating, take a break. Cheers, Harley Good morning Tiger, thanks for the input and support. I think that it is so critical that I dont force myself through a portion of the build when things stop being fun, I will be sure to walk away and revisit each step when it feels right. As for the build log i think i might just do a "questions log" basically post with photos and a background to the issue every time I have a question about a portion of my build(i expect this will turn into a fairly comprehensive build log regardless) mtaylor 1 Quote Current Build -HMS Pegasus by The_bitter_end - Amati/Victory Models - 1:64 scale Next Build - USS Constitution by The_bitter_End - Model shipways - 1:72 Scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bitter End Posted September 26, 2019 Author Share #21 Posted September 26, 2019 17 minutes ago, mtaylor said: Welcome to MSW, Haiko. It sounds like you have a good plan and now you have a great support system here. Do start a build log once you have the model in hand. It's a great way to get help and make friends. As for the tools... you can open a topic here: https://modelshipworld.com/forum/18-modeling-tools-and-workshop-equipment/ Good day to you kind sir! Thank you for your message. I will head over to the tools department shortly to start gathering all the advice I can(thanks for the link). As for the build log I think I will be making use of one to create a forum to help me through my challenges. I would like to say that I am remarkably impressed by this group of enthusiasts. I am yet to see a negative or unhelpful comment anywhere on here. even the most disastrous builds are revieved with kindness and helpfulness. It is an absolute pleasure to see in these times. Peter Bloemendaal and mtaylor 2 Quote Current Build -HMS Pegasus by The_bitter_end - Amati/Victory Models - 1:64 scale Next Build - USS Constitution by The_bitter_End - Model shipways - 1:72 Scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bitter End Posted September 26, 2019 Author Share #22 Posted September 26, 2019 15 hours ago, Matt H said: Hello and welcome. Hello and Thanks Matt! Quote Current Build -HMS Pegasus by The_bitter_end - Amati/Victory Models - 1:64 scale Next Build - USS Constitution by The_bitter_End - Model shipways - 1:72 Scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baker Posted September 26, 2019 Share #23 Posted September 26, 2019 Hello from Belgium. And Quote Regards, Patrick Finished : Soleil Royal Heller 1/100 Wasa Billing Boats Bounty Revell 1/110 plastic (semi scratch) Pelican / Golden Hind 1/45 scratch Current build : Mary Rose 1/50 scratch große-jacht / Yacht D'Oro 1/50 Corel Gallery : Revell Bounty Pelican/Golden hind 1/45 scratch Shore leave, non ship models build logs : ADGZ M35 funkwagen 1/72 Einhets Pkw. Kfz.2 and 4 1/72 Autoblinda AB40 1/72 122mm A-19 & 152mm ML-20 & 12.8cm Pak.44 {K8 1/2} 1/72 10.5cm Howitzer 16 on Mark. VI(e) Centurion Mk.1 conversion M29 Weasel 1/72 SAM6 1/72 T26 Finland T26 TN 1/72 Autoprotetto S37 1/72 Opel Blitz buses 1/72 Boxer and MAN trucks 1/72 Hetzer38(t) Starr 1/72 Cleaning the 1/72 military collection Si vis pacem, para bellum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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