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21 hours ago, BobG said:

Nice clean work, Dave. What kind of wood is that in the decking? It looks like you live on a lake...??

There is beech, poplar and walnut on the kit...I assume the planking is beech and the darker strips are walnut?

 

yes I live on a small private 130 acre lake in upstate NY (Duane Lake) ...no motor boats but very quiet!  I also have an amazing gift of an eagle nest in a pine tree in my back yard!!

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Sounds awesome, Dave. My brother and sister-in-law have a house on a lake in northern Wisconsin and their are lots of Bald Eagles there. Some of the nests are enormous. I guess they just keep adding to them year after year until they get too heavy and fall down.

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I have finished the rough planking if the bulwarks...

 

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I thought the underside was pretty cool looking ....

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I was impressed the drawing of the door to the captains quarters I assume, fit nicely and matched well...

 

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Well after watching you build this cool model and seeing all the other kits you have, I got the itch and went browsing on eBay and ended up buying this Corel Wasa Sezione Armata (Wasa Battle Station). I'm impressed with the quality of the materials and the extensive plans and instructions. I've only glanced over them but they look good. Not sure when I'll start building it. I want to finish my Medway Longboat first. But, then again, maybe I should try having several builds going at once. 🤔 

 

I really don't need another kit at the moment but I couldn't resist this one because it's so different. It's your fault that I broke down and bought it you know... 😎

 

 

 

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A bit further up you asked about that vertical stick the seaman is holding with his hands and I don't think the question has been answered yet. This thing is a 'Kolderstock' in German/Dutch and 'whipstaff' in English. It acts as a kind of fulcrum for the actual helm on the rudder. The staff rests in an olive-shape bearing in the deck:

 

Kolderstock

From: http://www.sailingace.com/segellexikon/d/kolderstock/kolderstock.htm

 

Well into the 19th century the steering wheel was not all the common and used only on large vessels. Smaller vessels were steered with the helm directly, often aided by tackles. The kolderstock went out of use towards the end of the 17th century.

 

I gather this vignette is meant to depict a part of the Brandenburg frigate BERLIN. The elector of Brandenburg started to build up a considerable fleet in the 17th century using Dutch know-how.

 

'Ponte' is Italian and just means 'deck' or perhaps here 'poop'. Perhaps you may want to change the title of your thread accordingly.

 

Looking forward to progress on that nice vignette.

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18 hours ago, wefalck said:

 

'Ponte' is Italian and just means 'deck' or perhaps here 'poop'. Perhaps you may want to change the title of your thread accordingly.

 

Thank you for your response to my question!

 

 When I searched for what ‘Ponte’ meant it was defined as “bridge”,  would that be correct as well?

 

this kit does represent the ship you mention, I have the full-size as well and noticed that the plans differ as far as railing height, as well as an additional rail by the stairs being shown.

 

i finished the cabinet with the compass and the candle in it.  I still have to paint and stain.

 

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22 hours ago, BobG said:
22 hours ago, BobG said:

 

 

I really don't need another kit at the moment but I couldn't resist this one because it's so different. It's your fault that I broke down and bought it you know... 😎

 

 

 

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Don’t go blaming me!  I will say the material in the Corel kits is some of the best to work with.

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Of course, 'ponte' in Italian means 'bridge' as in e.g. Ponte Rialto. It also means the 'bridge' on ships. I don't know the etymology of the Italian word 'ponte' in a maritime sense, but it means any structure build over something, including scaffoldings. On the galleys of old a bridge-like structure run across the rowing benches, which later may have developed into a full deck on sailing ships. In any case the word is used for 'deck' in Italian.

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Latin 'pons' = bridge. This has many  ramifications in Europe including, interestingly, 'pontificate' which came from 'pontifex' which itself was made up from the words meaning 'make' and 'bridge'. But to 'pontificate' now means 'acting like a pope' and has entirely lost its inherent suggestion  of 'making a bridge between people'.

 

That's me done pontificating for the morning.

 

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6 hours ago, tkay11 said:

That's me done pontificating for the morning.

🤣🤣🤣

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Do you have to prime that cast metal you see in so many older kits before painting it? I've never worked with it yet. 

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I would assume this is white metal. I have thoroughly decreased it with acetone and then spray-painted it with acrylics without a problem. Railway modelers tend to use an etching primer, but they handle their models. If you just install the part and don't touch it afterwards, you probably get away without priming.

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41 minutes ago, wefalck said:

I would assume this is white metal. I have thoroughly decreased it with acetone and then spray-painted it with acrylics without a problem. Railway modelers tend to use an etching primer, but they handle their models. If you just install the part and don't touch it afterwards, you probably get away without priming.

I looked up white metal to see what it is made from and found this on Wikipedia:

 

"A white metal alloy may include antimony, tin, lead, cadmium, bismuth, and  zinc (some of which are quite toxic). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_metal

 

Is it wise to take precautions when working with it?

 

 

 

 

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As a matter of fact, there may be various types of alloys behind what people use as 'white metal'. Today Cd-free versions are common. The composition determines the melting point and the viscosity of the molten alloy, hence the capability or otherwise to fill fine parts of the mold.

 

Unless you are going to work with it on an industrial scale, I would not be too concerned. Depends also what you mean by 'working with it'. Just handling ist not a problem and presumably you would wash your hands anyway, when you get out of your workshop. If you grind or file it to any large extent, perhaps a dust mask might be a good idea, but really only, when you generate a lot of fine dust that could be inhaled.

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I’m not sure how old this kit is, but there was a lot of dust in the bag of metal fittings...I also noticed it seems there might be two types of this “white metal” as they have oxidized differently.

 

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I'd be careful with that dust especially, Dave. Wear a good mask when doing any sanding. Wefalck says you can use acetone to help clean up white metal. I'd try that also.

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This looks like the dreaded lead-corrosion, which is why museums ban its use in new models. Be cautious when mopping it up, not to inhale the dust. It would also be better not to use the affected parts. If you have the possibility, make a mold and copy them in resin.

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12 hours ago, wefalck said:

This looks like the dreaded lead-corrosion, which is why museums ban its use in new models. Be cautious when mopping it up, not to inhale the dust. It would also be better not to use the affected parts. If you have the possibility, make a mold and copy them in resin.

Wouldn't it be ok to wear a mask and some disposable latex gloves to carefully get rid of the dust and clean it up with acetone before painting? The paint would seal the metal. 

 

I live in a house that was built in 1942 and, when we bought it many years ago, a lot of the moldings, doors and window sills and frames were in poor shape. They were cracked and chipped and coated with many layers of old paint. I tested a deep, chipped area and it indicated lead paint under some of the more recent layers of paint.  I decided not to sand these surfaces to prevent creating some lead dust. So I filled the cracks and chipped areas with filler and covered the woodwork with a couple of coats of primer. Then I lightly sanded the primer without sanding through it... just enough to get a really nice, smooth surface. Finally, I top coated the primer with latex enamel which sealed everything. I tested it in several places and no lead was detected. So I think it would be reasonable to paint over the white metal and it would then be safe too. 

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There are two issues: not to spread the lead carbonate dust and to stop further corrosion. Just mop up the dust wet, not dry. Covering the lead parts in an impervious layer of paint may help, but there is no guarantee. A dry atmosphere helps. Avoid all acids.

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It’s been a while since I updated this...slow going 

 

framed the wall and it fit nicely...

 

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i have also planked the exterior....

 

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I still have a lot of work to do,  I’ve also noticed I’m quite a bit of wood short.  So I have been taking from my victory section kit which is also Corel. (Same wood)

 

 

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It appears I am one plank short in order to finish the outer planking...anyone know the best place to order a 2 x 5 walnut plank?

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3 hours ago, Duanelaker said:

It appears I am one plank short in order to finish the outer planking...anyone know the best place to order a 2 x 5 walnut plank?

Dave, Ages of Sail has 2 x 5 mm strips: https://www.agesofsail.com/ecommerce/am2460-12-walnut-wood-strips-2mm-x-5mm-(10).html

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This is a really cool build and it looked like it was going well until you came up one walnut plank short. Were you able to get another walnut plank? Any further progress on this model or your other current builds. I hope all is well for you during all the craziness of this pandemic.

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This is coming along really nicely  Hope you find that plank!  Can you steal it from the new kit you purchased and just get all new planking for that one?

 

Oh, nice car in your avatar - what is it?

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Current Wooden builds:  Amati/Victory Pegasus  MS Charles W. Morgan  Euromodel La Renommèe  

 

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Completed builds :  Caldercraft Brig Badger   Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle  Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700   Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350

F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72  Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48  Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48  Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48

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Terminated build:  HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn)  

 

On the shelf:  Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits

 

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11 hours ago, Landlubber Mike said:

This is coming along really nicely  Hope you find that plank!  Can you steal it from the new kit you purchased and just get all new planking for that one?

 

Oh, nice car in your avatar - what is it?

Thank you Mike!  I did see if I could take a piece from either the Berlin Kit, or out of the Victory Cross Section which are both Corel, however, no such size match was in either kit!  I actually have recently acquired the missing plank (slightly a different color) and have finished planking the exterior just last week.  I am now working on the door and finishing the area surrounding.  I will post pictures some time this week...In between waiting for glue to dry, I have also been working on a POB Artesania Latina - Grand Lijon (not sure if I want another unfinished log out there)

 

The car is a 1972 Chevelle I purchased when I was 21...which was 19 years ago (in a few days)  its amazing to think I have almost owned it 20 years myself.

 

Work and life has been a bit crazy lately.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Duanelaker said:

Work and life has been a bit crazy lately.

Great to see you back in your shipyard and posting again, Dave. 

 

1 hour ago, Duanelaker said:

I have also been working on a POB Artesania Latina - Grand Lijon (not sure if I want another unfinished log out there)

 

I've never heard of this model. It would be great to see a picture of it...or better yet...a build log...

 

I hope you are safe and well during these crazy times.

Bob Garcia

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Hms Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 - Vanguard Models

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3 hours ago, Duanelaker said:

 

The car is a 1972 Chevelle I purchased when I was 21...which was 19 years ago (in a few days)  its amazing to think I have almost owned it 20 years myself.

 

 

Very nice!  Was just talking to my dad the other day and he was saying he really loved the Chevelle SS396 (he owned a Dodge Challenger in the 70s that I distinctly remember as a kid).  After starting car models again, I'm thinking I should treat myself to a 70s muscle car.  I think I deserve it after driving a minivan for the past decades to haul around my three kids :) 

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Current Wooden builds:  Amati/Victory Pegasus  MS Charles W. Morgan  Euromodel La Renommèe  

 

Plastic builds:    SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48  Five Star Yaeyama 1/700  Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama  Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700  Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32  Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72  IJN Notoro 1/700  Akitsu Maru 1/700

 

Completed builds :  Caldercraft Brig Badger   Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle  Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700   Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350

F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72  Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48  Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48  Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48

Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya  Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16

 

Terminated build:  HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn)  

 

On the shelf:  Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits

 

Future potential scratch builds:  HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans)

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4 hours ago, BobG said:

I've never heard of this model. It would be great to see a picture of it...or better yet...a build log...

 

I hope you are safe and well during these crazy times.

Bob,  I will probably start one eventually.  It is actually a real ship ... pictures from their Facebook page.  Wish I paid better attention in French class lol.955630B3-B24B-4481-AF5E-9B60909B8B16.thumb.jpeg.afb2c529defa1a6694c98174cdd263bd.jpeg31C378D5-85D6-4945-AB73-B99CC477F12D.thumb.jpeg.7be7d6aec7726bfd4ddde7ca15c2c4b7.jpeg

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