drjeckl Posted May 12, 2020 #1 Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) Newbe here. I'm building the Amati Lady Nelson and I'm ready to attach the 3 x pieces that make up the real keel to the "false keel" that the bulwark frames are attached to. My question is what type of glue should I use to attach them? I've seen articles/discussions that include epoxy, CA and PVA. Amati Instructions don't specify. Also, I have not seen any discussion on the application of epoxy or PVA. If it's CA, that's fairly obvious. Also, if there is a gap between the rudder post part of the real keel and the stern edge of the false keel as a result of beveling the deadwood at the stern, do I need to fill that gap before gluing the rudder post? I would think so. See the photo., the gap Help greatly appreciated...John Edited May 12, 2020 by drjeckl mtaylor 1 Quote .John Current Build: Lady Nelson Next up: Speedy (Vanguard Models)
Kevin Posted May 12, 2020 #2 Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) have a look through these logs, im sure you will find your answer open up the wooden kits file, which downloads in a PDF format, each entry for Lady Nelson will take you to the relevant build log Edited May 12, 2020 by Kevin robert952 and mtaylor 1 1 Quote Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 Belle Poule 1834 by Kevin - OcCre - 1/90 - French frigate - started June 2024 - - On hold MHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished Hercules by Kevin - OcCre - 1/50 - Tugboat - Finished - May 2024 Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat
mtaylor Posted May 12, 2020 #3 Posted May 12, 2020 I prefer PVA only because it's less messy than epoxy. I wouldn't use CA. As for that little hole, don't sweat it. It'll be covered with the planking. VTHokiEE, Kevin and Bossman 3 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
drjeckl Posted May 12, 2020 Author #4 Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) Kevin, I went through all the logs for that build and didn't find anything specific. I searched this forum and found nothing. I googled this topic's text and found one with CA. The MS builder in the Amati video logs recommended epoxy. I got nutin'. John Edited May 12, 2020 by drjeckl mtaylor 1 Quote .John Current Build: Lady Nelson Next up: Speedy (Vanguard Models)
Kevin Posted May 12, 2020 #5 Posted May 12, 2020 (edited) personally i would use white PVA and pin it in place, and as mark said the planking would cover the hole Edited May 12, 2020 by Kevin Dan Vadas and mtaylor 2 Quote Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 Belle Poule 1834 by Kevin - OcCre - 1/90 - French frigate - started June 2024 - - On hold MHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished Hercules by Kevin - OcCre - 1/50 - Tugboat - Finished - May 2024 Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat
allanyed Posted May 13, 2020 #6 Posted May 13, 2020 PVA has always been my go to, but I used epoxy for metal to wood. I am not a fan of CA for wood joints, (but it is great in place of a suture on a cut finger :>) If you can I would cut the faces of the rabbet in the keel pieces before gluing it in place. It will be far easier getting the angles correct on both faces of the rabbet which are dynamic along the entire length. Allan mtaylor and Kevin 2 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU
robert952 Posted March 7, 2023 #7 Posted March 7, 2023 @kevin - thanks for posting the 'Quick Find Indexes...'. That's a real gem! mtaylor 1 Quote ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Robert Chenoweth Current Build: Maine Peapod; Midwest Models; 1/14 scale. In the research department: Nothing at this time. Completed models (Links to galleries): Monitor and Merrimack; Metal Earth; 1:370 and 1:390 respectively. (Link to Build Log.) Shrimp Boat; Lindbergh; 1/60 scale (as commission for my brother - a tribute to a friend of his) North Carolina Shad Boat; half hull lift; scratch built. Scale: (I forgot). Done at a class at the NC Maritime Museum. Dinghy; Midwest Models; 1/12 scale (Does LEGO Ship in a Bottle count?)
DaveBaxt Posted March 8, 2023 #8 Posted March 8, 2023 (edited) Sorry if I am hyjacking this thread a bit but whilst on the subject I have been considering using Superphalatic glue on my future keel . https://www.hobbies.co.uk/deluxe-materials-super-phatic-glue Insread of the usual PVA. Rather than adding pva to individual pieces and waiting for the glue to dry . Build the model up in a frame which together with a false deck keeps everything lined and square, then add the glue later. I know this is used by other modellers but used on MDF but unsure if there is enough penetration on plywood? Seems to work quite well on smaller projects. Thank you and sorry again for going off track a bit. Best regards Dave Edited March 8, 2023 by DaveBaxt mtaylor, Canute and robert952 3 Quote Completed St Canute Billings Dec 2020 Completed HMS Bounty Amati May 2021 Finished Currently building HM Bark Endeavour
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