Cutty Sark by NenadM

[NenadM]

Obrenovac, little city on river Sava 7km from my place, with 70.000 citizens have to be whole evacuated... And Sava is growing still, and will grow more in next few days. Never seen before

Edited May 16, 2014 by Nenad M

[NenadM]

In free time, still attached to TV ... horror ... 

[omarcs]

what a terrible event. I am glad you and family are safe.

[popeye the sailor]

I was looking through news articles........this I found to be very sad.    I hope you are well Nenad  

 

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/balkan-flood-victims-face-threat-thousands-drowned-animals-n109951

[NenadM]

Thx my dear friends for empathy and care. We are all ok, but situation is terrible almost all around, and it will last ... After work, I just can not separate myself from TV, confused by opportune and contradictory news and prognoses ... Just for a while I had/have no will to make progress with CS. Typeing this on cell phone in front of TV and mistakes Ill correct later

All this situation beat me very strong in feelings for poor citizens of Obrenovac. On G-maps or G-earth find Obrenovac, and following river Sava to Belgrade you can see little rown Barič and after it, Umka where we live. I know this terrain, know many people from Obrenovac, Admiral was working long ago in Barič, and have relatives there, friends in Obrenovac and Barič, and we went there almost every month by different business and personal purposes. So this catastrophe I feel pretty personal, even our house is on hill cca 30m under River. This is so close to us only 9 km, I regulary went to Obrenovac to swim in local olympic pool, take kids there for karate competitions, some of my klients live/work there ... just have no words to describe and on the other side I can write novel about ... which would be out of this forum

Edited May 21, 2014 by Nenad M

[jud]

Sometimes if feels worst having to watch and unable to do anything than it does to live through it, but it is far worse living through it and the real effect of the experiance  comes after the event. That's when  you can make a difference by helping  out a bit. Hang in there.

jud

Edited May 20, 2014 by jud

[NenadM]

I almost have donated money, kids are volunteers, we ll see ...

Edited May 21, 2014 by Nenad M

[mtaylor]

Nenad,

 

I know exactly where your are mentally.  Back in 1994, I lived near the Mississippi River and that was the year of the great flood.  All you can do is watch the news and see familiar things being swallowed by the river.  I did volunteer to sandbag quite a bit and often was turned away as they had too many volunteers.  Still.. it's sad, overpowering to watch and not be able to focus on anything else.  Hold fast.  My thoughts are with you and your country.

[dgbot]

May god be with you Nenad.  I have been a witness to the damage flooding can cause.  I pray that you and your family are safe and unharmed.

David B

[Piet]

My heart goes out to all those poor people.  I also watch the news and it brings back memories to what the people in the Netherlands experienced in the early 1950's.  I lived very near to the massive flooding there as the result from a terrible storm.  Many people and livestock died.

 

My sincerest sympathies to your family and all the people there.

 

Hang in there Nenad,

[edmay]

Hi Nenad,Keep the family close,there are many many prayers coming from Canada,God Bless,Edwin.

[Lou van Wijhe]

It's a strange world, Nenad. Some people die due to lack of water and now people die because there's too much of it. There's a lot we can control but apparently not the climate. I do hope that you and your family will remain safe.

 

Lou

[Bindy]

Hi Nenad,

i was so sad to read of the problems in your part of the world, but very happy to read you are safe and well yourself.  I don't think we realise how lucky we are until we look up and see the problems other people are facing

 

My very best wishes to you, your family and friends and the people in your area and Country.

 

Stay safe!

[NenadM]

Ok, life must go on. Im coming to myself, and start thinking about stern and how to make it, and it is god sign that regular day flow continue. There will be first serious metal works for me (and I hope that solder iron will be friendly to me, not my enemy). I think that stern must be done before coopering. Little flue I had passed, some gardenwork at the first part of tomorrow must be done, and great comeback to Her Majesty at the evening. I can not wait, but ... She must be patiente just a little bit

Edited May 26, 2014 by Nenad M

[NenadM]

Hmmmm

 

Garden works lasts longer than I expected ... 

 

In meantime, there is a lot to think about before starting

 

Lou`s pictures and drawings, C-plans, and just a billion of photos ... 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Inner construction, covering, visible and not visible parts, metal fittings and construction of them, to be movable or fixed, how to pack all this in scale .... 

[NenadM]

And time comes finally to go down ( in workshop) to go up with my build

 

Light analyzing pictures and drawings, and I can conclude that there are/will be  a lot of Hmmmm things

 

For instance

 

These two pictures

 

"Old" Cutty`s rudder - pay attention to places when red arrows direct

 

 

and "new" rudder

 

 

It seems that in old pictures / old "Cutty", rudder was thinner than a stern post ???????

 

if it is correct, there is a time for decision - and I decide - same height

 

As I see, there will be more questions like that, but, step by step forward

 

I started tonight with experiments and playing a while

 

First, making a rudder - first attempt

 

 

 

Made of three layer of 2 mm strips to get over 5mm height, as stern post on Her Majesty is. In this place I concluded that long ago, when i was making second layer of planks, I missed to assume strictly parallel lines of stern post to "extend" to parallel lines of rudder, and it maybe must be corrected. I ll see when rudder will be done how it fits with "coopering" and another stuff

 

I am not satisfied with result, so rudder will be reworked at all

 

But it will be usable for further experiments ( straps, coopering, entrance in rudder hole, shape of upper part of ruder, etc etc ...)

 

Then starting to play with solder iron, which was tonight pretty friendly to me, trying to make pintle holders (?) , e.g. straps with pintles (?) 

 

First attempt with coca cola can . It do not work - so soft and weak, and I do not know to solder aluminium. Never late to learn, after a hour of trying and after 100 m of soldering wire melted

 

 

 

 

Then I found some thin cooper tape, and this is much better

 

 

And testing, AND IT WORKS !!!! 

 

 

 

Almost happy with results, and closed workshop for today

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 27, 2014 by Nenad M

[popeye the sailor]

this is the best way to try out your thoughts.........mock-ups!   it will give you a chance to iron out the problems before you apply it to the model.   looking good so far!   good to see some normalcy is returning.....I hope all is well

[dgbot]

Smart move in making up a dummy to test you ideas.  This will save you headaches and misgivings down the road.  Hopefully you faired well these past few weeks.

David B

[NenadM]

One bitten by snake, after, fears even of lizards ...

 

Too much idiotic thoughtless moves I had with CS, so, think that is better to try first couple of times and rethink whole stage again and again

 

Until my impatience catch me again.

 

Dead race - I run from impatience, but I can not leave it far after me, impatience is good runner.

 

Also, impatience is bad guy - always wait somewhere around the corner to suddenly unexpectedly jump direct to my work

Everlasting war with myself
 

Edited May 27, 2014 by Nenad M

[popeye the sailor]

impatience is two sided coin..........a slave driver.......makes you work harder to achieve,   and a trouble maker.........tries to slip you up and make mistakes.   calm...........take your time.......you've overcome so much already.   you've done no differently,  than any other scratch builders.   you can do it!  

 

snakes and lizards........good thing your running across them before the admiral does..........can you hear the reviews!?

[NenadM]

When little mouse or little lizard come in house, Admiral  literary jump/climb on highest place She can reach screaming ... just like in cartoons ... first time it happened I can not believe what I see. That is main reason we have a cat in house last 27 years ...

 

And when young cat hunt his first mouse and bring it to home to show it, that is a real comedy ...   

Edited May 27, 2014 by Nenad M

[NenadM]

Further analyzing C-plans ... and Lou`s material

 

Rudder axis passing through the axis of the hinges

 

 

And as picture said - rudder carrier has a square cross-section

 

 

but on picture Lou published - cross section is rounded ( inside ?)

 

 

 

 

Edited May 27, 2014 by Nenad M

[popeye the sailor]

that is the  'tiller'  shaft.....chances are,  it is rounded.   you notice that further down the rudder,  it does go to a flat edge.  I am surprised that it isn't tapered in any way.....but that's the way it is  <shrug>  

[SawdustDave]

Hi Nenad:

After taking a two year break, I am struggling with trying to re-gain the "feel" for detail once achieved after several scratch builds. Spending time going through a number of very good build logs such as your is most helpful.

Thanks

[NenadM]

Popeye, interesting is that rudder from earlier pictures slightly is different than rudder in fresh pictures after final restoration. Maybe at the first time when She was settled in dry dock, She still kept old working rudder, and after fire, maybe naval architects think about aesthetic dimension of rudder look. Who knows, but things are like they are. In C-plans ( or I am blind) I didnt find crossection of rudder in any level

 

Thank you Dave, I am glad that somebody find this novel interesting and usefull, even with all my mess

 

To continue with rudder consideration

 

At first, having in mind "sqared" and "roundend" profile, all thing must be made of harder/stronger wood (not from linen wood I made first). Never mind, in any case whole rudder will be covered with coopering and black paint. So I dive into original kit box, and find two 35 years old adequate pieces made of beech, which will be just fine. One rounded, another squared. Have no idea about that pieces - what was their purpose

 

 

 

Next step is to glue them together, with intend to process them tomorrow with "dremell thing" to proper shape and dimesnions. Maybe I ll add some strenghtening, I ll see tomorow

 

 

In this way, question of vertical axis position seem to be resolved, and it will not be hard to remove excess of material to the square profile, also to round square profile at the top. If there appear some lack of thickness, there is always planking to help. 

 

Ah, yes, there is a hole in stern to be drilled, and a little "ring" mask at entrance of rudder

 

BTW, digging in old kit box, I find original offered rudder bonds ... 4 mm wide ?!?!?!? To much wide. According to C-plans, in my scale they have to be max 2mm wide, rater 1,5 mm

Edited May 28, 2014 by Nenad M

[popeye the sailor]

the Cutty was know to have lost her rudder a couple of times..........so take care which pictures you refer to    so,  there is an actual kit associated with this build?   so cool that you've chosen the road less traveled     neat idea you have going there........with the rudder notched for the gungeons and pintles,  you'll be able to hug the stern post better.........nice!

[NenadM]

Denis

 

Storry of my life. If there is in front of me any type of, so called "elephant track/path" ( elephants in their life space walk almost always on same path which is solid beaten, and you can not miss it), I must discover/invent hot water again, after that hole in a flowerpot, or wheel, and find something new, even to walk on arms instead on legs ... 

 

Original kit was made by wide unknown Croatian company called TEHNODIDAKTA somewhere in 1960-1970 year, and that kits were known only by few ship builder lovers from former Yugoslavia. Former Yugoslavia had no great naval tradition, and ship modeling was not spread as hobby. As I know, somewhere before civilian war, TEHNODIDAKTA  who still exist, left kit manufacturing, and it is really accidentally if somebody (as me) saved kit or blueprints from kit until today ( there were no instructions except about colours in few words). Earlier in my log, during I was making ( or trying to make it) by the kit blueprints , you can see many simplifications and inaccuracy in those blueprints which leaded me to a few of deep surgeries I have made, so I complete gave up making Her by those blueprints when find C-plans, and Sergal, Mantua Artesania ... etc etc instructions on NET, and from time to time I mentioned TEHNODIDAKTA in log  only as a comparative 

 

Considering in mind that hull of Her majesty was made by this kit shits ( bulkheads) I do not dare to compare my hull lines I have got by TEHNODIDAKTA ribs and hull lines in C-plans ... afraid of disappointment ...  That was a reason that before second layer of planking, I work with maybe too much putty and sanding, because I believe in my eyes and lines of hull I saw on photos, and I was trying to catch exactly that lines. I am sure That I could not ping lines from C-plans, but I think that I have got visually "bingo", and Hull really on first sight looks like hull of Cutty Sark. Ok, maybe little correction here and there (as on stern post for instance), and in this circumstances inevitable artistic approach on whole model. Definitive decision about is some piece on place and is it look how has to be is always followed with close and distance look at whole model, two or three "Hmmm" and if it matches to my ideas, that is OK, and that piece is finished. ( until ...)

 

But I must admit, that whole this fun is really enjoyment for me, and challenge to resolve particular places on model, also testing of my possibilities

 

And that is point, isnt it ? 

Edited May 29, 2014 by Nenad M

[dgbot]

You are still doing a wonderful job Nenad.  Your Cutty is coming along great.  I hope everything is okay weather wise at your place and nobody was injured.

David B

[NenadM]

Thx for interesting David, life must go on, and things slowly begin to settle on their places. There will be consequences, it will last, but we survived hyperinflation, civil war and NATO bombing ... what is one big flood for us ?

Just kiddin. Obrenovac is still dead town... tertible stories rise from ... poor people

My family and friends are safe and nobody have serious problems with

Thx again

Edited May 30, 2014 by Nenad M

[NenadM]

Question to discuss here

 

Fixed or movable rudder ?

 

Movable is more adequate, but can more easily be damaged than fixed.

 

Just thinking forward

 

What are your experiences and opinion ?