Cutty Sark by NenadM

[NenadM]

 Maybe he was really training me to do coppering? 

 

I think, Bindy, if it is possible to judge from huge space and time distance,  your old man was training you for life. As a young boy, (14 years) I was discovered by parents (very well situated) in smoking cigarettes ... result - I was cut off pocket money to the rest of my youth. I was angry, and never forgive this at all, but ... that situation forced me to find different type of temporary jobs ( coaling, in different factories, carrier of furniture, .....) where I learn very important life lesson : to appreciate and respect any other type of job, even hardest manual job, and to appreciate and respect of any possibility and kind of earning some money. And, above all, to appreciate and respect anybody`s work, no matter how simple or complex, easy or hard, stupid or expert it was. Later at the end of study, I found gold mine in keeping guitar lessons for children, and earned more money than my first regular wage was ... Long and last story. It is sure that situation had influence in forming my personality and character, so at the end, I can only said to my parents: Thank you

 

So, dig every hole in your life with joy appreciate and respect

 

BTW, I can write volumes thick as epic fantasy about life here, my thoughts, situation, explanation, etc etc, but trying not to overload main goal of building log: Her Majesty. From time to time, little spice  here and there

Edited July 6, 2014 by Nenad M

[NenadM]

Does this sound familiar :

 

" ...I think grass need to be cutted, it will rain, so before rain there is right time..."

 

And do you think considering next pictures it was necessary ?

 

 

 

I do not think so

 

But I was running after grass cutter 3 hours on 30⁰C

 

Love makes miracles

 

In new avatar is my happy face in cigarette break on my favorite place in backyard with deepest shadow  

 

Evening spent with my twin brother and his family, and no working on Her except making another 200 pieces of plates

Edited July 6, 2014 by Nenad M

[NenadM]

When my eyes second time dropped under work desk, She told me that is enough for today

 

Edited July 6, 2014 by Nenad M

[mtaylor]

Does this sound familiar :

 

" ...I think grass need to be cutted, it will rain, so before rain there is right time..."

 

And do you think considering next pictures it was necessary ?

 

 

Ah.. the catch of life.  It's not for us to think it necessary but for the Admirals in our lives.  Admirals know.   We don't.     

[edmay]

Hello Nenad,Life is sometimes exasperatingly confused and complex,Without making light of the situation in your Country.You seem to weave through the good,the bad and the ugly with an appealing sense of humour and there are no holes in your garden. A documentary of life ,which many of us find interesting,your thoughtful approach to problems is to be admired,my knowledge of Serbia was little but is growing,many thanks. The many hills you have climbed with your Cutty, is bearing the fruits of your labour ,the coppering looks real good ,you must feel proud. hope the strike ends soon.Edwin

[ScottRC]

Great work Nenad as usual.  Don't let the political atmospher get you down.  I  too am going through some "issues" dealing with government, weather, and family health problems and it seems they all go away when I go into the shop and proceed to tie and seize hundreds of blocks and deadeyes I have been working on.  To paraphrase Capt. Aubrey,  the ship is its own wooden word and nothing matters outside its wooden walls.  That is what ship modeling has been for me.  Gee, can't wait till coppering, maybe do that during the next election time or when I get the next insurance "payment denied" notice comes it. 

Scott

[rfolsom]

Seems to me you're making quick work out of a long job...  Are you putting in 16-hour days on the coppering?

 

Looks great!

 

Oh, and very nice lawn by the way... 

 

~Bob

Edited July 7, 2014 by rfolsom

[NenadM]

... Don't let the political atmospher get you down... 

 

The current political atmosphere can not let me down. Problem is in missing perspective, and no sign in Government of real understanding and will to get things better. Shortsighted moves, narrow party political interests above any other main strategy goal.

One of these days I`ll explain wider what I mean. For instance, if you have ill teeth, you pull it out or heal it. You do not spend all your money ( which you do not have) for sedative. As a residue of socialistic madness, there is steel factory in Smederevo, in the middle of agricultural plains ... No sources of iron ore in Serbia, and THIS thing never could, and never can work with any profit. This THING has 5000 workers, and capacity for 2.000.000 tons of iron per year. Every year, THIS THING eat about 100.000.000€ from state budget ... And on same way more than 50 years ... Instead to lead this mastodon in bankruptcy, Government fill it with enormous  money - WHY ??? And continuously Government last 10-15 years spread lies about finding strategic partner ... sell and bye for 1$ and such rubbish. and money from our pockets, flow, flow, flow. How do you can call this, except - idiotic ? Feeble-minded ? Irresponsible ?

 

Not the only example 

[juleslucas]

Hello Nenad,

 

I have just received my Del Prado Cutty Sark kit, so I started to look for a forum like yours. Honestly I had to scan through a handful of pages (81 so far) you wrote, but it worth the time. You are doing a great progress and a wonderful job, so I will keep you following.

 

I also plan to open a topic for my build as well, although it will not be such detailed as yours (given the fact it is a Del Prado model). I am thinking of building the ship with all the materials it came with, not altering anything (except for the figurehead, as the package includes the figurehead of HMS Victory and not the Cutty Sark, so I will have to reproduce that on my own), and adding some extra here and there, if possible or if I can, obviously.

 

Actually this is my first time in model ship world, and I am building CS for my Admiral as a present I mostly create 1:35 WWII dioramas using plastic kits enhancing them with polystirol, carton, and natural materials.

 

Thanks, Gyula

[NenadM]

Very hot welcome to the "Cutty Sark fleet" on MSW, Gyula, and thank for your kind words. As you just said, this log grows and grows much faster than a build, and even for me it is sometimes hard to find particular post or picture. I am just thinking about how to set  some type of content for this book. That is reason why I paint letters in my posts in brown (to fasten research)

 

I cant wait for your log. Hurry with opening, and then slow with working   Anyhow, good luck with your build, and it is really nice to have more Cutty Sark here. 

[NenadM]

 

Bob

 

...  Are you putting in 16-hour days on the coppering?

 

Optical illusion, Bob ... macro photos, only about 1/4 of one side is done. I can not work more than 2-3 hours continuously because my eyes start to make problems with carefully removing protective foil from this pieces 4x10 mm with needle, and positioning of plates on their exact place ( particularly with narrow gore strakes ends). Some speed up come with little change in preparing plates - first draw 100-200 of them in back of tape, then rivet them carefully with ruler and my new jig, then carefully cut all of them, and after 15-20 minutes, you have 200 pieces ready for glue, and process starts and go relative fast until need for new gore strake appeared. Then light a cigarette, said some Hmmm, and continue until .... 

 

 

 

Edited July 7, 2014 by Nenad M

[NenadM]

hope the strike ends soon.Edwin

 

Edwin, strike ended, court season ended, but problems remained and delayed until September. Problems are structural, and cause for strike is collateral consequence of this structural problems.

 

At first, main role of advocacy is not to by your freedom or something - main role of advocacy is to seek and ensure respect for the rules of the legal system. When in one particularly case, you have 3-4 of only 15-30 min lasting court hearings per year, 2-3 of them are delayed from some reason ( judge illness, disorderlly call for parties, and you have, if you have lucky, only one court hearing per year on which something happened in direction to resolve case. So, trials last 3-5-7 years in first instance. Appellation process takes 3-5 years, and rarely finished by meritorious final decision, rather with annulment of whole process and starting over for another 3-5-7 years. And when you finally have meritorious decision, you have to wait 1-2 year for executive process. I am not joking. Oldest court case I have started in 1995. year .... 

 

Consequences are: disastrous weakening of general social discipline (no one goes to court to get his rights, rather chose another way), reduced need for preventive legal services (why, to hell, to pay that if must wait so long for justice), and general vilification and contempt of the legal profession and the need for knowledge of the law. Government do not want to see this, in intend to do what mighty politicians want to do below, under or beside law. And that is real cancer

 

Add to this next statement to get brighter picture: In countries with business tradition, overall public opinion unanimously supports and protects private property, gaining and preservation of property, so did all the courts in that countries. In Serbia, while another countries developed their industry from XVI century until now, there were Turkish occupation, WWI and WWII, socialism ... and only last 20-25 years you can do your own business. Without no respect for the law (what state benevolent watching, especially if you donate a leading political party), there were people who had a very short time acquired wealth. And now everyone thinks it is possible, and the absence of a legal system that allows.

 

Next consequences: drastic impoverishment of the people and the economy, with consequence for honest advocacy which members do not want to get into politic - reducing number of clients who can pay for attorney, even the average price of the court hearing is only 50-100€, attorney working hour about 25-50€ if you are lucky.

 

So, the average year and month attorney incomes reduces from month to month, from year to year, and this year Government raised our taxes to the sky without any economic reason, and opposite to the existing regulations. Attorney Chamber in strike succeed to stop tax rising, but above mentioned problem stayed, and in my opinion, this is heart of problem and main goal for government -  make us ambiance to work and to earn, so this will be good for all

 

But, who listen to me ?

Edited July 7, 2014 by Nenad M

[Miroslav]

I do...

[ScottRC]

Dang Nenad, are you describing Serbia, or the United States?

[NenadM]

Scott, I do not know what to say. I am convinced that in western democracies, described situation is rather exception than a general rule. Here, this is a general rule. But, enough talking about semi-politic, let`s return to Her, She cries and laments that he neglected ... and She is right

 

Yesterday I was inspired to keep on gluing plates, but there was no plates made.

 

Today I was not inspired to glue anything, but want to do something with hands

 

So, I opened factory in kitchen (miraculously  Admiral said nothing), and during chat with Hothead, process started at 18h and finished at 21h

 

First, drawing

 

 

Then riveting

 

 

 

 

 

Then cutting

 

 

First 200 pieces

 

 

200+200 = 400

 

 

400+200= 600

 

 

Some of them have mistakes, and them will be thrown away during gluing

 

Just enough for today, I am going to join Admiral in live room to watch something on TV

Edited July 10, 2014 by Nenad M

[rfolsom]

Nice mass production on the tiles;  I was forced to do each one individually, but my copper tape was the right width so cutting was easy...

 

Great progress!

 

~Bob

[NenadM]

Thx Geoff

 

Bob, as any self-confident fool, I started with each one individually, and called to mind after couple of hundred of them ... never late

 

BTW, very interesting material I am working with. It is plastic foil with metal color, but, under riveting jig and under needle, it acts and look as real tiny metal plates. Even has some thickness to look like metal plates when glued and placed. It has self-adhesive coat, and adding strong fast-drying glue for wood works excellent. As I wrote earlier, it shows some sensitivity for outside scratching, but I think that acrylic mat varnish in couple of layers will resolve this "problem", in cooperation with new softer working stand for Her I must make before finishing coopering

Edited July 10, 2014 by Nenad M

[rfolsom]

Nenad;  It's good to see your research and testing paid off;  as I think I mentioned much earlier, 90% is researching, thinking, planning, measuring, testing, failing, testing again... and of course the "hmmmm....." before the final 10% of...

 

Success!      and progress!

 

(how long does it take you to affix 200, 200+ plates;  I only cut about 30-50 at  one time...)

 

Also, is your material available in the US?

 

When I coppered, I noticed an errant fingernail would leave a nasty dent if not handled right.  As I posted on my log, we all will get to the point where inverting the hull will be impossible;  I will then invert my hull, check out the copper, and replace where necessary.  I really like the way the natural copper ages, so I won't be coating it with anything.  That is when She'll be permanently mounted to Her mounting board.

Edited July 10, 2014 by rfolsom

[NenadM]

Bob

First I apply little drop of glue to the desired place of hull, then pick up plate, and remove protetic paper foil with curved needle I made, using self-adhesive layer to attach plate to needle, drive it to the hull, place it, fix on right position ( glue is still soft and fresh, so zig-zag is easy) and with soft wet brush carefully remove excess of glue. If removing of foil do not make trouble, this lasts about 1 min more or less, on straight lines. When situation gets narrow, it takes little more time to make adequate narrowed part of line, manually

 

One per minute with resting, smoking, Hmmm job, telephone and Admiral`s calls ... and my old eyes ... max 100-150 per two hours/one working day

 

Good thing is that outer surface of plates is resistant to dirty fingers and to water ( easy to remove any dirt and water or glue trails), but must be covered with varnish at the end

 

I think that foil can be find in USA, as self-adhesive decorative paper, foil, or something similar in paper store, woman hobby store, painting supply store etc

 

In Belgrade, this can be found in artistic shops as decorative self-adhesive paper, foil, wallpaper (?) cut and sell in pieces apx. 50-40 cmm as on picture  above, on price about 1$. It is "named" as "gold" foil

 

Edited July 10, 2014 by Nenad M

[NenadM]

Next 150 pieces

 

 

 

[dgbot]

Congratulations.  Sit back and have a shot and relax.

David B

[rfolsom]

Outstanding work, my friend..

[NenadM]

Thx friends ... just a little less than a half of one side ...Im very impatience and curious how will bow look like ...

[edmay]

Hello Nenad, The foil plates look excellent,well done. good info .Edwin

[Piet]

That's beginning to look REALY very nice!!!!!!!!!!!  Outstanding job.

 

Cheers,

[mtaylor]

Looks very good, Nenad.  Have fun and carry on.

[NenadM]

Great news !!!

 

Princess has just crossed her last exam with 10 (A) at University of Belgrade, Faculty of medicine

 

Only preparation and defense of thesis left in September, and She will be a Doctor of medicine !!!!

 

[usedtosail]

Congratulations Nenad. Its always good to have a doctor in the family. You must be very proud.

[Bindy]

Big Congratulations to Princess!

[NenadM]

Today Hothead picked up his first screw in the tire of the rear wheel of the motorcycle, so considering transmission chain and brackets on rear wheel, it was pretty nice party to fix this before going to tire shop

 

Princess went out tonight to go crazy with friends, and after that, usual evening

 

Next 100 pieces on place on this rainy rainy rainy day

 

 

And semi-new look of full profile