bruce d Posted December 3, 2020 #31 Posted December 3, 2020 (edited) Ships not named, again IWM is source EDIT: see post#35 below, druxey identifies one of the figureheads. Edited December 3, 2020 by bruce d Archi and druxey 2 Quote 🌻 STAY SAFE A model shipwright and an amateur historian are heads & tails of the same coin current builds: HMS Berwick 1775, 1/192 scratchbuild; a Slade 74 in the Navy Board style Mediator sloop, 1/48 - an 18th century transport scratchbuild French longboat - CAF - 1/48, on hold
bruce d Posted December 3, 2020 #32 Posted December 3, 2020 (edited) Admiralty Barge Edited December 3, 2020 by bruce d druxey 1 Quote 🌻 STAY SAFE A model shipwright and an amateur historian are heads & tails of the same coin current builds: HMS Berwick 1775, 1/192 scratchbuild; a Slade 74 in the Navy Board style Mediator sloop, 1/48 - an 18th century transport scratchbuild French longboat - CAF - 1/48, on hold
bruce d Posted December 3, 2020 #33 Posted December 3, 2020 Implacable Archi and druxey 2 Quote 🌻 STAY SAFE A model shipwright and an amateur historian are heads & tails of the same coin current builds: HMS Berwick 1775, 1/192 scratchbuild; a Slade 74 in the Navy Board style Mediator sloop, 1/48 - an 18th century transport scratchbuild French longboat - CAF - 1/48, on hold
bruce d Posted December 3, 2020 #34 Posted December 3, 2020 Figurehead of HMS Cruiser in Malta shore establishment survives bombs in WW2 Archi and druxey 2 Quote 🌻 STAY SAFE A model shipwright and an amateur historian are heads & tails of the same coin current builds: HMS Berwick 1775, 1/192 scratchbuild; a Slade 74 in the Navy Board style Mediator sloop, 1/48 - an 18th century transport scratchbuild French longboat - CAF - 1/48, on hold
druxey Posted December 3, 2020 Author #35 Posted December 3, 2020 In post #31 the armed, crowned figure striking with his sword is Black Prince. One of a series of Players' cigarette cards of figureheads features this. Mark P and bruce d 1 1 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
bruce d Posted December 3, 2020 #36 Posted December 3, 2020 A figurehead for two ships: Quote 🌻 STAY SAFE A model shipwright and an amateur historian are heads & tails of the same coin current builds: HMS Berwick 1775, 1/192 scratchbuild; a Slade 74 in the Navy Board style Mediator sloop, 1/48 - an 18th century transport scratchbuild French longboat - CAF - 1/48, on hold
druxey Posted December 3, 2020 Author #37 Posted December 3, 2020 The cigarette cards I referred to earlier are shown here (Black Prince is bottom row far left). Mark P, bruce d and Archi 3 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
bruce d Posted December 3, 2020 #38 Posted December 3, 2020 47 minutes ago, Keithbrad80 said: The Clipper Ships by A.B.C. Whipple Nice images Keith. Not sure, isn't that book still in copyright? Keithbrad80 1 Quote 🌻 STAY SAFE A model shipwright and an amateur historian are heads & tails of the same coin current builds: HMS Berwick 1775, 1/192 scratchbuild; a Slade 74 in the Navy Board style Mediator sloop, 1/48 - an 18th century transport scratchbuild French longboat - CAF - 1/48, on hold
bruce d Posted December 4, 2020 #39 Posted December 4, 2020 From 'Coleman Journal', Alberta, January 5 1928. mtaylor and druxey 2 Quote 🌻 STAY SAFE A model shipwright and an amateur historian are heads & tails of the same coin current builds: HMS Berwick 1775, 1/192 scratchbuild; a Slade 74 in the Navy Board style Mediator sloop, 1/48 - an 18th century transport scratchbuild French longboat - CAF - 1/48, on hold
Keithbrad80 Posted December 4, 2020 #40 Posted December 4, 2020 7 hours ago, bruce d said: Nice images Keith. Not sure, isn't that book still in copyright? Bruce, I looked it up, it is still in copy right. I should have thought of that before hand so I’ll delete that picture right now, thanks for reminding me! Bradley mtaylor 1 Quote Current Builds: Flying Fish - Model Shipways - 1:96 Future Builds: Young America 1853 - Scratch Build - 1:72 Completed Builds: HMS Racehorse - Mantua - 1:47 (No pictures unfortunately) Providence Whale Boat - Artesania Latina - 1:25 (Also no pictures) Lowell Grand Banks Dory - Model Shipways - 1:24 Shelved Builds: Pride of Baltimore 2 - Model Shipways - 1:64 (Also no pictures)
bruce d Posted December 4, 2020 #41 Posted December 4, 2020 7 hours ago, Keithbrad80 said: thanks for reminding me! 😉 mtaylor 1 Quote 🌻 STAY SAFE A model shipwright and an amateur historian are heads & tails of the same coin current builds: HMS Berwick 1775, 1/192 scratchbuild; a Slade 74 in the Navy Board style Mediator sloop, 1/48 - an 18th century transport scratchbuild French longboat - CAF - 1/48, on hold
shipman Posted December 4, 2020 #42 Posted December 4, 2020 I know things are different in different places......sections of books, periodicals, music or films can be used for educational, study and 'free use' (whatever the phrase is.) While I accept, respect and support copyright rules for what they are intended; ie preventing commercial exploitation of others property and intellectual rights; using a paragraph quote or image to illustrate a point is not illegal. Reproducing a complete book is. My bunker lid is down. bruce d and mtaylor 2 Quote
bruce d Posted December 4, 2020 #43 Posted December 4, 2020 26 minutes ago, shipman said: My bunker lid is down. Good luck. 🤐 mtaylor and shipman 2 Quote 🌻 STAY SAFE A model shipwright and an amateur historian are heads & tails of the same coin current builds: HMS Berwick 1775, 1/192 scratchbuild; a Slade 74 in the Navy Board style Mediator sloop, 1/48 - an 18th century transport scratchbuild French longboat - CAF - 1/48, on hold
mtaylor Posted December 4, 2020 #44 Posted December 4, 2020 Under "fair use" here in the States, one can post, for lack of a better word(s), bits and pieces as example. Posting the whole document would be a no-go. bruce d, Keithbrad80 and druxey 1 2 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
shipman Posted December 5, 2020 #45 Posted December 5, 2020 As I said........ 'using a paragraph quote or image to illustrate a point is not illegal. Reproducing a complete book is.' So, I think that fits comfortably with your above comment, Mark. I just felt I had to wade in, as several posts have recently given 'knee jerk' reactions to poorly perceived copyright issues. Just because a book (for example) is protected by copyright legislation, doesn't mean limited material can't be used to elaborate a point. Of course, it is common courtesy to give proper reference to the source. Thank you for your forbearance. Mark P, Keithbrad80, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote
mtaylor Posted December 5, 2020 #46 Posted December 5, 2020 You're doing good, Shipman. I too try to clarify things. The more of us that do this, the less hassles we'll all have. shipman, druxey, Keithbrad80 and 1 other 4 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
bruce d Posted December 10, 2020 #47 Posted December 10, 2020 From 'The American Neptune Pictorial Supplement 11-20' Includes billetboards and other decorated pieces as well as figureheads. mtaylor 1 Quote 🌻 STAY SAFE A model shipwright and an amateur historian are heads & tails of the same coin current builds: HMS Berwick 1775, 1/192 scratchbuild; a Slade 74 in the Navy Board style Mediator sloop, 1/48 - an 18th century transport scratchbuild French longboat - CAF - 1/48, on hold
bruce d Posted January 20, 2021 #48 Posted January 20, 2021 Bark Enterprise: druxey and mtaylor 2 Quote 🌻 STAY SAFE A model shipwright and an amateur historian are heads & tails of the same coin current builds: HMS Berwick 1775, 1/192 scratchbuild; a Slade 74 in the Navy Board style Mediator sloop, 1/48 - an 18th century transport scratchbuild French longboat - CAF - 1/48, on hold
bruce d Posted January 27, 2021 #49 Posted January 27, 2021 From NMM Collections, cropped: "... figurehead for Imperieuse (captured 1804), a captured Spanish 40-gun frigate. The bust figurehead is a female facing forward wearing a tiara and pearls in her long hair. A double pearl necklace sits around her neck above the top-line of a flowing gown. ..." NMM id = J5366 As HMS Imperieuse she was Cochrane's ship during the attack on Basque Roads. Tony Hunt, mtaylor, druxey and 1 other 4 Quote 🌻 STAY SAFE A model shipwright and an amateur historian are heads & tails of the same coin current builds: HMS Berwick 1775, 1/192 scratchbuild; a Slade 74 in the Navy Board style Mediator sloop, 1/48 - an 18th century transport scratchbuild French longboat - CAF - 1/48, on hold
uss frolick Posted January 27, 2021 #50 Posted January 27, 2021 I have the full set of plans of Imperiuse. They include that drawing in 1/2 inch scale, and another in the same scale of her stern decorations. She is a very lovely ship. They are marked as taken off following her repair in 1809. bruce d, druxey, trippwj and 1 other 4 Quote
bruce d Posted January 28, 2021 #51 Posted January 28, 2021 Danish frigate Faroe 1767: Keithbrad80, mtaylor and Archi 3 Quote 🌻 STAY SAFE A model shipwright and an amateur historian are heads & tails of the same coin current builds: HMS Berwick 1775, 1/192 scratchbuild; a Slade 74 in the Navy Board style Mediator sloop, 1/48 - an 18th century transport scratchbuild French longboat - CAF - 1/48, on hold
bruce d Posted January 28, 2021 #52 Posted January 28, 2021 (edited) Danish frigate Havruen 1760. Stern decoration uses same 'fish tail' as on female figurehead: EDIT: Correct photo number #1 now, my boo-boo earlier. Edited January 28, 2021 by bruce d mtaylor and uss frolick 2 Quote 🌻 STAY SAFE A model shipwright and an amateur historian are heads & tails of the same coin current builds: HMS Berwick 1775, 1/192 scratchbuild; a Slade 74 in the Navy Board style Mediator sloop, 1/48 - an 18th century transport scratchbuild French longboat - CAF - 1/48, on hold
bruce d Posted January 29, 2021 #53 Posted January 29, 2021 Another 18th century Danish ship, name unknown, with stern decoration reflecting the figurehead features. (Please note I have corrected a dumb mistake in the previous post, correct image is displayed now) mtaylor and Archi 2 Quote 🌻 STAY SAFE A model shipwright and an amateur historian are heads & tails of the same coin current builds: HMS Berwick 1775, 1/192 scratchbuild; a Slade 74 in the Navy Board style Mediator sloop, 1/48 - an 18th century transport scratchbuild French longboat - CAF - 1/48, on hold
rwiederrich Posted January 29, 2021 #54 Posted January 29, 2021 On 11/29/2020 at 4:57 PM, bruce d said: Yes the Donald McKay clan figurehead spent years in this field by that tree..before it was collected up and donated to the Seaport Village in Mystic. bruce d, Keithbrad80 and mtaylor 2 1 Quote Current build: Build log: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25382-glory-of-the-seas-medium-clipper-1869-by-rwiederrich-196 Finished build: Build log: of 1/128th Great Republic: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13740-great-republic-by-rwiederrich-four-masted-extreme-clipper-1853/# Current build(On hold): Build log: 1/96 Donald McKay:http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4522-donald-mckay-medium-clipper-by-rwiederrich-1855/ Completed build: http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/gallery/album/475-196-cutty-sark-plastic/ The LORD said, "See, I have set (them) aside...with skills of all kinds, to make artistic designs for work in gold, silver, and bronze, to cut and set stones, to work in wood, and to engage in all kinds of crafts."
bruce d Posted February 2, 2021 #55 Posted February 2, 2021 HMS Trincomalee/Foudroyant Keithbrad80, mtaylor and uss frolick 3 Quote 🌻 STAY SAFE A model shipwright and an amateur historian are heads & tails of the same coin current builds: HMS Berwick 1775, 1/192 scratchbuild; a Slade 74 in the Navy Board style Mediator sloop, 1/48 - an 18th century transport scratchbuild French longboat - CAF - 1/48, on hold
dafi Posted July 23, 2021 #56 Posted July 23, 2021 On 11/18/2020 at 6:59 AM, bruce d said: ... and a drawing of the correct figurehead for Victory at Trafalgar. These old magazines have their uses. Do not think so 🙂 I think there is a misinterpretation that got its own life. As the culprits had a red and blue scarf there was the interpretation them to represent the marines and sailors. It appeared that the damages the culprits took - one left an arm, one a leg - were coincidenting with the major wounds of the 2 groups at the battle. And this took a life on its own ending up in the believe that were a marine and a sailor standing beside the coat of arms. But that is imho. The article publishing this picture originates from 1891, so it is not contemporary. Also the Independent revealed that since approx. 1815 both of the Culprits were on board 🙂 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/hms-victory-royal-navy-battle-trafalgar-b1799397.html?fbclid=IwAR1tZj6hC8OtZAaXlQtRrkZbT_ohxLmznkYIvSj1t82CGkgjvAPcVjbcOUo XXXDAn mtaylor 1 Quote To victory and beyond! http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/76-hms-victory-by-dafi-to-victory-and-beyond/ See also our german forum for Sailing Ship Modeling and History: http://www.segelschiffsmodellbau.com/ Finest etch parts for HMS Victory 1:100 (Heller Kit), USS Constitution 1:96 (Revell) and other useful bits. http://dafinismus.de/index_en.html
bruce d Posted July 23, 2021 #57 Posted July 23, 2021 2 hours ago, dafi said: Do not think so 🙂 It looks like you are right 👍 according to some very good researchers. See this link for a summary: https://snr.org.uk/snr-forum/topic/hms-victory-figureheads/ Although I can't add anything to ther investigations it now looks like the image I posted represents the first figurehead, not the Trafalgar veteran. It would be useful if the 1891 publisher had given his source, then we could know if the image is a copy of a copy of a .... dafi and mtaylor 2 Quote 🌻 STAY SAFE A model shipwright and an amateur historian are heads & tails of the same coin current builds: HMS Berwick 1775, 1/192 scratchbuild; a Slade 74 in the Navy Board style Mediator sloop, 1/48 - an 18th century transport scratchbuild French longboat - CAF - 1/48, on hold
bruce d Posted September 3, 2021 #58 Posted September 3, 2021 Star of Zealand: mtaylor 1 Quote 🌻 STAY SAFE A model shipwright and an amateur historian are heads & tails of the same coin current builds: HMS Berwick 1775, 1/192 scratchbuild; a Slade 74 in the Navy Board style Mediator sloop, 1/48 - an 18th century transport scratchbuild French longboat - CAF - 1/48, on hold
Morgan Posted September 3, 2021 #59 Posted September 3, 2021 On 2/2/2021 at 12:06 AM, bruce d said: HMS Trincomalee/Foudroyant This one from HMS Trincomalee caught my eye as I attended a talk by the Curator of the ship on Wednesday. Turns out this old photo is of the ships second figurehead which dates from 1845. It has just been recently restored and is now on display at the NMRN Hartlepool, see below. The colours are slightly different from the ship copy as research during restoration facilitated the analysis of old paint samples. Gary druxey, bruce d and mtaylor 2 1 Quote
BANYAN Posted September 4, 2021 #60 Posted September 4, 2021 A few figurehead drawings in a collection compiled/collected by Oliver W Lang unearthed by researcher in the National Archives (UK) (I think?). These were in a box of drawings, sketches etc believed collected by Lang when commissioned to gather information from all Royal Dockyards in the mid-19th century, in an attempt to standardise the way equipment was fitted. cheers Pat Figure Head Drawings from a Package of drawing by Oliver W Lang.pdf bruce d, mtaylor and Tony Hunt 3 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64)
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