scott larkins Posted July 18, 2014 Share #391 Posted July 18, 2014 Thanks for the paint info. I do go to the site often to look for things for my Rattlesnake right now but will keep my eye open for the Niagara paint scheme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lb0190 Posted July 18, 2014 Author Share #392 Posted July 18, 2014 Scott, Scott, I found the paint colors for the Niagara on the Model Expo site: http://www.modelexpo-online.com/product.asp?ITEMNO=MS2240MS Set of eleven 1 oz. bottles of Model Shipways paint:2 each/MS4839 Primer, MS4830 Hull/Spar Black, MS4801 Bulwarks Dark Green; 1 each/MS4831 White, MS4821 Deck House Light Buff, MS4802 Bulwarks/Gun Carriage Red, MS4829 Hull Yellow Ochre, MS4828 Iron/Cannon Black. The regular cost is $54 but a sale price may cut that to almost half buy ordering them individual instead of the kit order. Quote Regards, Larry ---------------------------------------------------- Current Build US Brig Niagara Completed Builds George W Washburn - 1890 Tugboat Future Builds 18th Century Longboat by MS HM Cutter Cheerful Wappen Von Hamburg by Corel If your not making mistakes, your not challenging yourself – my life has been full of challenges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lb0190 Posted July 19, 2014 Author Share #393 Posted July 19, 2014 I thought maybe there's some benefit in sharing how I'm preparing the deck planks and gluing them in place, so here goes... Keep in mind I'm very much a novice at this (2nd build) and I'm sure there are many other ways to accomplish this task. This may be a better "don't do it this way" Once I have a piece of wood selected, I (try) to do the following: I inspect both sides of the wood to pick which side looks best. Some wood has blemishes that I like to place on the down side. Lightly sand all four sides of the planks Next, I make pencil hash marks on the down side and sometimes when I think it's needed also mark each end with an “F” for fwd and “A” for aft. Now it's time to trim the plank to fit and shape. First I shape the end that is the most complex in shape and make sure it fits snug and tight (more on this below). I start with this end first in case I need to make it several times. Next, I trim the length to fit and then shape the remaining end. Next, I bevel the inside lower edge that mates up to the already installed plank/edge. The bevel helps the plank fit up snug against the installed plank, especially if there is a little dried glue that seeped out and dried when the previous plank was installed. I then insect the surface where the plank will be installed. I look for uneven surfaces, globs of dried glue etc. and correct any noted issues as best I can. A trial fit is next, confirming the plank fits well or at least as well as I can get it. Now it's time to apply the pre-stain followed by the stain. Once the stain is dry, I use a pencil to color the fwd, aft ends and one side of the plank to simulate a caulk line. This has not turned out as well as I hoped for, but for the first time, I can live with it. It may clean up later if I decide to sand the deck. Gluing the plank in place without a false deck is a bit of a challenge for me. I first had to decide where to lay the first plank, which will then determine how all remaining planks will mount, kinda like laying floor tile. I used the center keep as a starting place due to it being (supposedly) centered from left to right and due to two planks being the same width as the keel which was a great reference in keeping the first two planks very straight. I'll cut in the mast holes later. For the time being (always subject to change), I'm installing the deck features on top of the deck planks. I used both Titebond and CA when mounting the planks. I used a dental probe to apply small amounts of white glue on the edge of the installed plank, other than at the bulkhead locations. Once the Titebond was in place I place CA glue on each bulkhead and the fwd/aft edges of the plank. The CA glue dries quickly and helps hold the plank in place white the Titbond dries. I use wedges when possible to hold the plank in place. Time to move on to the next plank. The planking became more difficult for me once the aft end shape went from being squared off to a more complex shape the the fwd end. The last four pictures show how I determine where to mark and cut the wood to get the correct edge angle and a reasonably decent fit. I just noticed the dirt and dust in the photos, next time a cleaning is in order before pictures. bhermann, Sjors, popeye the sailor and 6 others 9 Quote Regards, Larry ---------------------------------------------------- Current Build US Brig Niagara Completed Builds George W Washburn - 1890 Tugboat Future Builds 18th Century Longboat by MS HM Cutter Cheerful Wappen Von Hamburg by Corel If your not making mistakes, your not challenging yourself – my life has been full of challenges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Quixote Posted July 19, 2014 Share #394 Posted July 19, 2014 I love the last 4 pics, something to look forward to. Thanks a he** of a lot. Which way did you bevel the planks? If I understand correctly you pencilled in the caulk on top of the seams between planks after installation? If the bevel is to the inside, top narrower than the bottom, I might try a pencil on the edge of the planks where the bevel is. If I've learned anything from reading these logs, I'll test it first:) What kind of stain did you use? Quote Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12 Scale. 2nd boat in the learning series. In Dry Dock: Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack. 1:24 scale. Model Shipways, 3rd in the learning series. Not sure what'll be next, probably the Santa Maria by Artesania Latina 1:65 scale. Unless someone has a better suggestion for a beginner. Pride of Baltimore. Model Shipways. Clipper used in the war of 1812. Black Falcon. Mantua Model. 18 century corsair brig. CSS. Alabama. E. Manolie? Can't read the font. Build in Liverpool in 1862 for use in the American Civil War by the Confederates. Steam and sail, sloop of war. Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most. A baseball cap my Dad wore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lb0190 Posted July 19, 2014 Author Share #395 Posted July 19, 2014 I beveled the lower corner that mates against the last installed plank, not the side, only the corner. I pencil color the side that mates against the last installed plank. I use minwax golden oak, but I dilute it 50% so it's not too dark. If the above does not make sense to you, let me know and I'll post some photos with close ups. Quote Regards, Larry ---------------------------------------------------- Current Build US Brig Niagara Completed Builds George W Washburn - 1890 Tugboat Future Builds 18th Century Longboat by MS HM Cutter Cheerful Wappen Von Hamburg by Corel If your not making mistakes, your not challenging yourself – my life has been full of challenges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted July 19, 2014 Share #396 Posted July 19, 2014 I use a very similar process on my first deck, Larry, including the slight bevel. On my latest one I'm using a 'harder' pencil (4H as opposed to 2) and am only putting it on one side and the 2 ends of each plank. This has helped me in eliminating what I call 'smuding' (assuming that's a word). edmay 1 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lb0190 Posted July 19, 2014 Author Share #397 Posted July 19, 2014 Hi Augie I think I'm using too soft a pencil. There's no number (golf course pencil) but I suspect its a number two. I will try to clean up the smuding (I like your word... lol) with some light sanding. Your Confederacy looks amazing!! augie 1 Quote Regards, Larry ---------------------------------------------------- Current Build US Brig Niagara Completed Builds George W Washburn - 1890 Tugboat Future Builds 18th Century Longboat by MS HM Cutter Cheerful Wappen Von Hamburg by Corel If your not making mistakes, your not challenging yourself – my life has been full of challenges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott larkins Posted July 20, 2014 Share #398 Posted July 20, 2014 (edited) lb, I see on your planking tutorial you used pencil but it seems you are not quite satisfied. Probably too late to tell you my idea now but I will anyways for any future builds of yours. I used a sharpie for my caulk lines on my Rattlesnake. Just run the edge of the sharpie down the edge of the plank, making sure that if you are going fall off the edge that you sweep the sharpie to the side that would be the bottom of the plank. The sharpie soaks in ever so slightly and even after sanding the top of my deck to smoothness the sharpie caulk line stayed. This is my forecastle after I stained it. Edited July 21, 2014 by scott larkins riverboat, edmay, egkb and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lb0190 Posted July 20, 2014 Author Share #399 Posted July 20, 2014 Hi Scott, Thanks for sharing. I may give that a try on another build. I think I may have been using too heavy a line. I backed off a bit and so far it's been an improvement. I need to do some trial runs on whichever method I choose for my next build. BTY, your caulk lines look very good! augie 1 Quote Regards, Larry ---------------------------------------------------- Current Build US Brig Niagara Completed Builds George W Washburn - 1890 Tugboat Future Builds 18th Century Longboat by MS HM Cutter Cheerful Wappen Von Hamburg by Corel If your not making mistakes, your not challenging yourself – my life has been full of challenges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott larkins Posted July 21, 2014 Share #400 Posted July 21, 2014 Thanks LB. It's my first build so it's trial and error for me too. I'm really getting ready to build the Niagara when I get done with this build. Some of the things from the snake will transfer, which is good, but after reviewing the plans and instructions, I will still have more to learn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ Posted July 21, 2014 Share #401 Posted July 21, 2014 (edited) Larry: Your model is coming along well. The paint colors are very good. Your deck looks good so far, but I see a couple of things that you might consider and I hope you will welcome a few hints. First, laying the deck planking in single strips over the entire length is going to be problematic. It is VERY difficult to get a good fit at both ends. You are having trouble at the stern because of using single strips. It would be better to plank in scale lengths and get both the end joints done first and work your way back to the middle. Fitting this way will yield much better results. Second, applying the stain before the plank is laid may be a problem. I understand why you are doing it, but a laid deck such as this will usually require sanding or more properly scraping after it is laid to get a really smooth surface upon which to apply finish. A clear finish might be a better choice to apply to the bare planks after the deck is planked. I hope this helps. Russ Edited July 21, 2014 by russ Quote T'aint a hobby if you hurry Completed projects Cross section model by Russ 1/48 scale Biloxi schooner model restoration 1/24 scale Biloxi oyster skiff 1/24 scale Biloxi schooner 1/48 scale POB Current project Biloxi lugger Captain Roy 1/48 scale POB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfolsom Posted July 21, 2014 Share #402 Posted July 21, 2014 Hello, Larry, planking is looking good. Good to see everyone back. I am working on my Cutty Sark for the moment, so please don't hate me.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lb0190 Posted July 22, 2014 Author Share #403 Posted July 22, 2014 Your welcome Scott. Hi Russ, I always appreciate advice - thanks. I have two short boards I simply missed when gluing them down and did not have the heart to rip them out. If I cannot fix it with filler I suspect there will be a few coiled ropes in that area. I intentionally opted for full length planks on this build. I thought the .095" wide planks would turn out nicer going single strips even though it's not historically correct. I also prefer this look over the tapered planks at this scale. Hi Bob, thanks for looking in. I bet the Cutty is a nice change of pace. I came close several times to starting my Longboat, but I'm trying to wait until the Niagara is complete. rfolsom 1 Quote Regards, Larry ---------------------------------------------------- Current Build US Brig Niagara Completed Builds George W Washburn - 1890 Tugboat Future Builds 18th Century Longboat by MS HM Cutter Cheerful Wappen Von Hamburg by Corel If your not making mistakes, your not challenging yourself – my life has been full of challenges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted July 22, 2014 Share #404 Posted July 22, 2014 planking looks very nice Larry I like scale planking as well....better control, and the butt joints gives the deck more detail. pre staining can be good, you know........sanded after the deck is laid, will tend to appear bleached, with grain definition. a light staining later will even it back up if you desire. keep up the good work Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lb0190 Posted July 22, 2014 Author Share #405 Posted July 22, 2014 Hi Popeye, It's good to hear from you and other MSW friends. Thanks for looking in and for advice as well as compliments. I'll probably do a light sanding after the deck is completed, followed by restraining. egkb 1 Quote Regards, Larry ---------------------------------------------------- Current Build US Brig Niagara Completed Builds George W Washburn - 1890 Tugboat Future Builds 18th Century Longboat by MS HM Cutter Cheerful Wappen Von Hamburg by Corel If your not making mistakes, your not challenging yourself – my life has been full of challenges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Quixote Posted July 24, 2014 Share #406 Posted July 24, 2014 Okay, Larry. I'm ready to start planking the hull. Several questions: I've been studying "Simple hull planking techniques for beginners". By kelvin12. (THAT'S cold!!!) It uses the term "battens". Is this the same as a strake? What is the water line? Is this just where the color of the hull differs? What is its importance? How do I know where it belongs? Nice work! I've been working on mine for 6 months now. I think I reworked the sweeps and ports a half dozen time before I figured out the plans didn't match the build. johnwie 1 Quote Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12 Scale. 2nd boat in the learning series. In Dry Dock: Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack. 1:24 scale. Model Shipways, 3rd in the learning series. Not sure what'll be next, probably the Santa Maria by Artesania Latina 1:65 scale. Unless someone has a better suggestion for a beginner. Pride of Baltimore. Model Shipways. Clipper used in the war of 1812. Black Falcon. Mantua Model. 18 century corsair brig. CSS. Alabama. E. Manolie? Can't read the font. Build in Liverpool in 1862 for use in the American Civil War by the Confederates. Steam and sail, sloop of war. Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most. A baseball cap my Dad wore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lb0190 Posted July 24, 2014 Author Share #407 Posted July 24, 2014 (edited) Sorry-getting on a plane in a few minutes and will be on the road for a while. If no one answers your questions, I will try but it will have to wait until after I return. My brother in law passed away and we need to help his mother adjust. Take care. Edited July 24, 2014 by lb0190 Quote Regards, Larry ---------------------------------------------------- Current Build US Brig Niagara Completed Builds George W Washburn - 1890 Tugboat Future Builds 18th Century Longboat by MS HM Cutter Cheerful Wappen Von Hamburg by Corel If your not making mistakes, your not challenging yourself – my life has been full of challenges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted July 24, 2014 Share #408 Posted July 24, 2014 Sorry about your loss, Larry. Have a safe trip. Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted July 24, 2014 Share #409 Posted July 24, 2014 sorry to hear this as well Larry Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Quixote Posted July 24, 2014 Share #410 Posted July 24, 2014 My condolences as well. Quote Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12 Scale. 2nd boat in the learning series. In Dry Dock: Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack. 1:24 scale. Model Shipways, 3rd in the learning series. Not sure what'll be next, probably the Santa Maria by Artesania Latina 1:65 scale. Unless someone has a better suggestion for a beginner. Pride of Baltimore. Model Shipways. Clipper used in the war of 1812. Black Falcon. Mantua Model. 18 century corsair brig. CSS. Alabama. E. Manolie? Can't read the font. Build in Liverpool in 1862 for use in the American Civil War by the Confederates. Steam and sail, sloop of war. Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most. A baseball cap my Dad wore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Quixote Posted July 27, 2014 Share #411 Posted July 27, 2014 Good god y'all. Working out how to do the planking on my Niagara, I've come to appreciate what the fantastic job you've done, Larry! Quote Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12 Scale. 2nd boat in the learning series. In Dry Dock: Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack. 1:24 scale. Model Shipways, 3rd in the learning series. Not sure what'll be next, probably the Santa Maria by Artesania Latina 1:65 scale. Unless someone has a better suggestion for a beginner. Pride of Baltimore. Model Shipways. Clipper used in the war of 1812. Black Falcon. Mantua Model. 18 century corsair brig. CSS. Alabama. E. Manolie? Can't read the font. Build in Liverpool in 1862 for use in the American Civil War by the Confederates. Steam and sail, sloop of war. Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most. A baseball cap my Dad wore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Quixote Posted July 30, 2014 Share #412 Posted July 30, 2014 (edited) If I lay the battens per the plans I get the image shown where the battens are not crossed. If I allow them to lay naturally, I get the image showing them crossed. I used a digital calliper from the plans to masking tape, then to the hull... I also tried measuring the width of the planks between the strakes from the plan and adding them up placing them all across the hull with the same result. Naturally the same results. For giggles and grins, I even tried a cloth tape from my wife's sewing kits. THAT was worse:) sup wit dat? The planks are so narrow I don't thin I'll get any clinker effect, but it sure is a no-no from everything I've read. Anyone? Even if it's not Larry that answers? Edited July 30, 2014 by JustBlowinInTheWind Quote Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12 Scale. 2nd boat in the learning series. In Dry Dock: Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack. 1:24 scale. Model Shipways, 3rd in the learning series. Not sure what'll be next, probably the Santa Maria by Artesania Latina 1:65 scale. Unless someone has a better suggestion for a beginner. Pride of Baltimore. Model Shipways. Clipper used in the war of 1812. Black Falcon. Mantua Model. 18 century corsair brig. CSS. Alabama. E. Manolie? Can't read the font. Build in Liverpool in 1862 for use in the American Civil War by the Confederates. Steam and sail, sloop of war. Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most. A baseball cap my Dad wore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lb0190 Posted August 2, 2014 Author Share #413 Posted August 2, 2014 Thank you everyone for your condolences . We're heading home today.... Quote Regards, Larry ---------------------------------------------------- Current Build US Brig Niagara Completed Builds George W Washburn - 1890 Tugboat Future Builds 18th Century Longboat by MS HM Cutter Cheerful Wappen Von Hamburg by Corel If your not making mistakes, your not challenging yourself – my life has been full of challenges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliluke Posted August 3, 2014 Share #414 Posted August 3, 2014 Hi Larry It is great to see you back. I missed your return, went under my radar. Your Niagara is really hitting the straps now - looking good, very good. I'm sorry to hear about the loss in your family - take care and I, for one, look forward to hearing of happier times at your workbench. Quote Cheers Alistair Current Build - HMS Fly by aliluke - Victory Models - 1/64 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/34180-hms-fly-by-aliluke-victory-models-164/ Previous Build - Armed Virginia Sloop by Model Shipways Previous Build - Dutch Whaler by Sergal (hull only, no log) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lb0190 Posted August 4, 2014 Author Share #415 Posted August 4, 2014 Thanks Alistair. We returned home Saturday and today I installed the last port side deck plank - I'm 50% complete. I now have to decide if I scrape or sand the deck before or after I install the starboard side deck planks. Any advice from the more experienced builders out there??? Quote Regards, Larry ---------------------------------------------------- Current Build US Brig Niagara Completed Builds George W Washburn - 1890 Tugboat Future Builds 18th Century Longboat by MS HM Cutter Cheerful Wappen Von Hamburg by Corel If your not making mistakes, your not challenging yourself – my life has been full of challenges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliluke Posted August 4, 2014 Share #416 Posted August 4, 2014 My thought is that I wouldn't scrape or sand any area of deck until the entire deck planking is complete. Doing one area first and then adding more makes the process much more difficult to keep even. You end up with the scraped planks being lower than the newly added ones and then can tend to overwork the line of that step to smooth it out. Quote Cheers Alistair Current Build - HMS Fly by aliluke - Victory Models - 1/64 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/34180-hms-fly-by-aliluke-victory-models-164/ Previous Build - Armed Virginia Sloop by Model Shipways Previous Build - Dutch Whaler by Sergal (hull only, no log) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenr Posted August 4, 2014 Share #417 Posted August 4, 2014 Hi Larry I am with Alistair Wait until the entire deck planking is complete Regards Ken Quote Under construction US Brig Niagara Completed HMB Endeavour - Caldercraft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lb0190 Posted August 4, 2014 Author Share #418 Posted August 4, 2014 Thank you gentlemen, I'll wait. popeye the sailor 1 Quote Regards, Larry ---------------------------------------------------- Current Build US Brig Niagara Completed Builds George W Washburn - 1890 Tugboat Future Builds 18th Century Longboat by MS HM Cutter Cheerful Wappen Von Hamburg by Corel If your not making mistakes, your not challenging yourself – my life has been full of challenges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfolsom Posted August 6, 2014 Share #419 Posted August 6, 2014 Good to see you around again, my friend; I hope you and all your loved ones are doing well after your loss. ~Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lb0190 Posted August 9, 2014 Author Share #420 Posted August 9, 2014 Hi Bob, thank you for your concern and friendship, life can be tough at times but friends certainly help with the recovery. Today I started back on laying deck planks. Once I have a few of the starboard planks in place I'll cut open the mast mount holes. rfolsom 1 Quote Regards, Larry ---------------------------------------------------- Current Build US Brig Niagara Completed Builds George W Washburn - 1890 Tugboat Future Builds 18th Century Longboat by MS HM Cutter Cheerful Wappen Von Hamburg by Corel If your not making mistakes, your not challenging yourself – my life has been full of challenges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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