robnbill Posted November 11, 2014 Share #1231 Posted November 11, 2014 What I did was use the guides to hold the mast upright and mostly in position. Then I attached the lower shrouds. I am using these to perform the final alignment. Since the masts are not glued in, I can change the rake or side to side with the shrouds. GLakie and HIPEXEC 2 Quote Bill Chantilly, VA Its not the size of the ship, but the bore of the cannon! Current Build: Scratch Build Brig Eagle Completed Build Log: USS Constitution - Mamoli Completed Build Gallery: USS Constitution - Mamoli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbot Posted November 12, 2014 Share #1232 Posted November 12, 2014 Rich. are you coating the siezing with glue? David B HIPEXEC 1 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPEXEC Posted November 12, 2014 Author Share #1233 Posted November 12, 2014 What's "siezing"? Quote Rich Rich USS Constitution by hipexec (Finished build) Virginia Pilot Boat 1805 (gallery - first build) USS Syren (USS Argus) by Hipexec Joshua Slocum's Spray by HIPEXEC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted November 12, 2014 Share #1234 Posted November 12, 2014 (edited) Hi Rich: After checking the MS plans, I found the rake varies between the masts with 3 degrees at the Fore, 3.5 at themain, and 5 at the Mizzen. As far as seizing goes, a picture tells a much better story than I could. Edited November 12, 2014 by GLakie Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbot Posted November 12, 2014 Share #1235 Posted November 12, 2014 Rich, The lines between the deadeyes. I was wondering if after you spaced them and ran the lanyard, brush them with thinned white glue. David B HIPEXEC 1 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuntherMT Posted November 12, 2014 Share #1236 Posted November 12, 2014 The line between the dead eyes is called the 'laniard' (old spelling, presumably just lanyard now). The seizing is where a small rope is wrapped around a larger rope in order to secure it. src and GLakie 2 Quote Brian Mystery project coming soon! Current build - Medway Longboat Complete - Armed Virginia Sloop Complete - Carmen (First Build) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPEXEC Posted November 12, 2014 Author Share #1237 Posted November 12, 2014 Brian, Thanks for the pic. They will be siezed. The lines between the deadeyes have been painted with 50/50 PVA to make them keep shape. GLakie 1 Quote Rich Rich USS Constitution by hipexec (Finished build) Virginia Pilot Boat 1805 (gallery - first build) USS Syren (USS Argus) by Hipexec Joshua Slocum's Spray by HIPEXEC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuntherMT Posted November 12, 2014 Share #1238 Posted November 12, 2014 Brian, Thanks for the pic. They will be siezed. The lines between the deadeyes have been painted with 50/50 PVA to make them keep shape. Looks like George posted the same picture (just not zoomed in) 2 posts up from mine. I'm slow. GLakie and HIPEXEC 2 Quote Brian Mystery project coming soon! Current build - Medway Longboat Complete - Armed Virginia Sloop Complete - Carmen (First Build) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPEXEC Posted November 13, 2014 Author Share #1239 Posted November 13, 2014 I want to thank all of you for your concern. I shall take it all in and proceed down the path of least trouble for my thick thumbs and shaky fingers. I picked up a few tips at our new club, "The Arizona Shipwrights" that will ease the way for an amateur like me. GLakie and canoe21 2 Quote Rich Rich USS Constitution by hipexec (Finished build) Virginia Pilot Boat 1805 (gallery - first build) USS Syren (USS Argus) by Hipexec Joshua Slocum's Spray by HIPEXEC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbot Posted November 13, 2014 Share #1240 Posted November 13, 2014 We had a member who did his shrouds off the model and when he put them where they belonged they were ll over the place. David B HIPEXEC and GLakie 2 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPEXEC Posted November 14, 2014 Author Share #1241 Posted November 14, 2014 Believe it or not....I think I have a few tricks up my sleeve...experimental of course....if they work, I shall reveal them. If not I will confess and start over doing it another way. The standing rigging will be installed on the ship. I would make a catastrophic mistake doing it off. I experimented with the deck cannons and that trick worked. canoe21 1 Quote Rich Rich USS Constitution by hipexec (Finished build) Virginia Pilot Boat 1805 (gallery - first build) USS Syren (USS Argus) by Hipexec Joshua Slocum's Spray by HIPEXEC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPEXEC Posted November 16, 2014 Author Share #1242 Posted November 16, 2014 While I'm making deadeyes, chain plates and siezings....I installed the ship's bell. It's eight bells now, so I have to run. src, Dimitris71, Sjors and 9 others 12 Quote Rich Rich USS Constitution by hipexec (Finished build) Virginia Pilot Boat 1805 (gallery - first build) USS Syren (USS Argus) by Hipexec Joshua Slocum's Spray by HIPEXEC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted November 17, 2014 Share #1243 Posted November 17, 2014 Very nice Rich ! Sjors HIPEXEC 1 Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robnbill Posted November 17, 2014 Share #1244 Posted November 17, 2014 FYI, when I was at that stage in my build I noticed I had two bells in the kit. Since the Connie has a bell attached to the mast, and the Mamoli plans only showed the one in the belfry on the foredeck, I asked Popeye2Sea about the mast bell and should it have two. He said this was a modern addition to the ship. It looks good though! HIPEXEC 1 Quote Bill Chantilly, VA Its not the size of the ship, but the bore of the cannon! Current Build: Scratch Build Brig Eagle Completed Build Log: USS Constitution - Mamoli Completed Build Gallery: USS Constitution - Mamoli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPEXEC Posted November 21, 2014 Author Share #1245 Posted November 21, 2014 Bill, When they ring noon do they get sixteen rings with two bells? GLakie 1 Quote Rich Rich USS Constitution by hipexec (Finished build) Virginia Pilot Boat 1805 (gallery - first build) USS Syren (USS Argus) by Hipexec Joshua Slocum's Spray by HIPEXEC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robnbill Posted November 21, 2014 Share #1246 Posted November 21, 2014 I guess that would depend on how coordinated the two bell ringers wiuld be! HIPEXEC 1 Quote Bill Chantilly, VA Its not the size of the ship, but the bore of the cannon! Current Build: Scratch Build Brig Eagle Completed Build Log: USS Constitution - Mamoli Completed Build Gallery: USS Constitution - Mamoli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
src Posted November 23, 2014 Share #1247 Posted November 23, 2014 More importantly, did they get paid Grog and a half? Sam HIPEXEC 1 Quote Current Build Constructo Enterprise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPEXEC Posted November 25, 2014 Author Share #1248 Posted November 25, 2014 What exactly is an Admiralty Model? GLakie 1 Quote Rich Rich USS Constitution by hipexec (Finished build) Virginia Pilot Boat 1805 (gallery - first build) USS Syren (USS Argus) by Hipexec Joshua Slocum's Spray by HIPEXEC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted November 25, 2014 Share #1249 Posted November 25, 2014 This is about as good and short of an explanation you can find. From our own Chuck Passaro's Confederacy on the MS site: "During 17th and 18th centuries, the Admiralty Board of the Royal Navy required builders to submit a model of a ship proposed for construction. Only then, upon consideration, would the Board approve funding for it. Called admiralty models, these were some of the finest ever made. They were unrigged with exposed hull and deck framing to allow inspection of the vessel’s architecture, deck furnishings and decorative work in a three-dimensional format." Cheers augie, Sjors and HIPEXEC 3 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted November 25, 2014 Share #1250 Posted November 25, 2014 Besides higher up on a transom for instance, I haven't heard of any vertical planking yet, but I could be wrong. If you mean the vertical runs on the Confederacy, those are the exposed frames for the planking. Cheers HIPEXEC 1 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPEXEC Posted November 26, 2014 Author Share #1251 Posted November 26, 2014 What's the order for attaching all the shrouds to the mast so I don't have a big rat's nest? SkerryAmp and GLakie 2 Quote Rich Rich USS Constitution by hipexec (Finished build) Virginia Pilot Boat 1805 (gallery - first build) USS Syren (USS Argus) by Hipexec Joshua Slocum's Spray by HIPEXEC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robnbill Posted November 26, 2014 Share #1252 Posted November 26, 2014 Start the pairs front to back and alternate sides. Other than that I don't think it matters which mast you do first. HIPEXEC 1 Quote Bill Chantilly, VA Its not the size of the ship, but the bore of the cannon! Current Build: Scratch Build Brig Eagle Completed Build Log: USS Constitution - Mamoli Completed Build Gallery: USS Constitution - Mamoli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack12477 Posted November 26, 2014 Share #1253 Posted November 26, 2014 Port side then starboard side or starboard side then port side - which ever way you start you want to alternate sides. I generally start with either the stern-most deadeye and work toward the bow alternating port-starboard. Or I start at the bow-most deadeye and work towards the stern, Do this for each mast. I generally start with the foremast and work my way aft. Each shroud overlaps the previous shroud at the trestle-tree. Sorry I don't have a diagram or way to draw it here. HIPEXEC 1 Quote Jack "No one is as smart as all of us" - Is ón cheann a thagann an cheird The craft comes from the head --------------------------------------------- Current build: US Constellation Non-ship builds: USCG UH-65A Dolphin M16 Multi-gun motor carriage diorama M4A3 Sherman Tanks dioramas 1936-1939 Mercedes Benz 540K 1934 Rolls-Royce Phantom II JSDF Light Armor Vehicle Figures: The Last Bridge: Raider Reaper Edge of Universe: Ianis The Last Bridge: Vadim with cart Completed build log(s): 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne, Willie L Bennett 1888 50 ft Gaff-rigged Ice Yacht Scratch Build The Sullivans (DD 537) Liberty Ship SS John W Brown USS England (DE 635), Artesania Latina Titanic Lifeboat Gallery: Swift , Armed Virginia Sloop, Santisima Trinidad Captain's Launch , 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne Other: Rhinebeck Aerodrome Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted November 26, 2014 Share #1254 Posted November 26, 2014 If your plans show runner pendants, those go on first before the shrouds. Cheers HIPEXEC 1 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafine Posted November 26, 2014 Share #1255 Posted November 26, 2014 According to Lees, the proper order is pendants first, then the shrouds in pairs, beginning with the forward starboard pair, then the forward port pair and alternating aft. With regard to which mast to begin with, I have long believed it best to start at the mizzen and work forward. The reason is that access for attachment of the forward end of the stays is easier without interference from the shrouds on the forward mast. Bob HIPEXEC, lambsbk, Jack12477 and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robnbill Posted November 26, 2014 Share #1256 Posted November 26, 2014 The main thing I found out was balance. If you add a shroud pair to one side, it must be matched by a pair on the other side. If you add a forestay it needs to have the backstay next. In this manner I was able to tension the rig without causing distortion. Not that I have completed the tensioning but I am on my way. HIPEXEC and Jack12477 2 Quote Bill Chantilly, VA Its not the size of the ship, but the bore of the cannon! Current Build: Scratch Build Brig Eagle Completed Build Log: USS Constitution - Mamoli Completed Build Gallery: USS Constitution - Mamoli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPEXEC Posted November 26, 2014 Author Share #1257 Posted November 26, 2014 Thanks everyone. It makes sense to do it that way. I just stacked them on from one side and it looked awful, so I knew it was wrong. I'll start over. Thanks GLakie 1 Quote Rich Rich USS Constitution by hipexec (Finished build) Virginia Pilot Boat 1805 (gallery - first build) USS Syren (USS Argus) by Hipexec Joshua Slocum's Spray by HIPEXEC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPEXEC Posted November 26, 2014 Author Share #1258 Posted November 26, 2014 How does everyone attach the shrouds to the mast tops? Siezings? Quote Rich Rich USS Constitution by hipexec (Finished build) Virginia Pilot Boat 1805 (gallery - first build) USS Syren (USS Argus) by Hipexec Joshua Slocum's Spray by HIPEXEC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLakie Posted November 26, 2014 Share #1259 Posted November 26, 2014 (edited) Here's a fairly decent diagram of some shroud variations. Cheers & Happy Thanksgiving Edited November 26, 2014 by GLakie augie, HIPEXEC and foxy 3 Quote GEORGE Don't be bound by the limits of what you already know, be unlimited by what you are willing to learn. Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted November 26, 2014 Share #1260 Posted November 26, 2014 Nice of George to provide that drawing. I pretty much use what's in Fig. 1 GLakie and HIPEXEC 2 Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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