USS Constitution by Hipexec - FINISHED - Constructo - 1:82

[dgbot]

Nice video thanks.

David B

[HIPEXEC]

My shipyard will be closed for a week while the Admiral and I go whale watching in the Sea of Cortez.  "Thar she blows!!"

Edited February 7, 2015 by Hipexec

[GLakie]

Have fun Rich, and be careful when swimming with the fishes. 

 

Cheers 

[HIPEXEC]

I'm back from whale watching and started to make neat the rigging I have already installed. It's very dificult since my fat fingers barely fit in the deck area anymore. I'll neaten up what I 've done before installing any more yards and sails.

[captainbob]

That picture looking down the deck is great.  Nice detail work.

 

Bob

[robnbill]

I hope not!

[HIPEXEC]

Rich, I think that latest pic of yours might be answering a question that's been puzzling me since I started doing the deck things on my Enterprise build.

I still wonder though.

Do ALL the belaying pin holes in the racks that we fit on to our builds have to have belaying pins stuck in them?

From the looks of the rigging plan Constructo gave me....it looks like that is so....but lord knows where all those lines will come from. I'll never be able to rig all that!!!

[robnbill]

Certainly every belaying hole has it's use. Since I did not rig sails, I did not have all mine populated. Which is a good thing because I used almost all of the metal belaying pins Mamoli put in the kit. However, I would think even with the sails up there would be open points. given the ability to change points  based on the wind.  It does raise a bit of a question. A sail's sheets would be rigged to both sides but only one would be tight depending on the wind direction. I suppose the other line would be terminated still, just loose I guess.

[HIPEXEC]

Rich, I think that latest pic of yours might be answering a question that's been puzzling me since I started doing the deck things on my Enterprise build.

I still wonder though.

Do ALL the belaying pin holes in the racks that we fit on to our builds have to have belaying pins stuck in them?

Here's the belaying pin plan Constructo gave me. It looks like 60% have lines to them. I put pins in all the holes since it was a lot of work to drill all those holes nice and even.

[juansystem05]

Very good build log Rich. I am planing to buy this kit from constructo also. Do you recommend it? or Should I look for this model from other manufacturers?

 

The fact is that I can get the constructo kit for a very reasonable price and I think the finished model looks very good. 

Edited February 16, 2015 by juansystem05

[HIPEXEC]

Very good build log Rich. I am planing to buy this kit from constructo also. Do you recommend it? or Should I look for this model from other manufacturers?

 

The fact is that I can get the constructo kit for a very reasonable price and I think the finished model looks very good. 

Come esta,

When finished, my Constructo USS Constitution will be magnificent. Getting there has been a lot of work. Constucto's plans are poor in many areas. Right now I'm rigging the sails with very poor pictorial support. Another area is the wood they supply. While beautiful, Sappele, the dark planks, is extremely difficult to work with. I managed, but with great dificulty. Please feel free to ask me questions as you go along. You might as well take advantage of my work.

[juansystem05]

Thanks Rich

 

It might not be suitable for me then. I just went crazy for a moment, I already bought 2 artesania latina kits, the swift and the Dallas cutter and was thinking about buying the USS constitution for a 3rd project.

The reason? It was 140.00 plus shipping but someone else bought it before me. However there is really no point in buying it right now If have two ships waiting for me to build them.

[HIPEXEC]

Well I got the square sails permanently attached to the masts. Now for the job of rigging halyards, braces  etc. I bellyed the sails as if a light breeze was blowing from aft just so they didn't hang calm flat. Next I'll rig the spanker with its boom and gaff. Then the jibs. I'll probably leave off the staysails so I can view the intricate deck work better. 

 

I shaped the sails by attaching them to a screen and blowing them with my Admiral's hair dryer and spraying them with water soluble hair spray

[captainbob]

I had thought of spraying starch, but the sails with hairspray look good.  I'll use that.

 

Bob

[HIPEXEC]

Well, figuring out how to add all the braces, sheets, outhauls, downhauls, etc will be a monumental job for me. The plan calls for many braces to be well outside the hull yet show being belayed to a belaying pin inside the hull. I can't figure out how to neatly go over or around the netting. The various halyards make the most sense to me....the rest reman a mystery that I'll have to solve.

[augie]

The braces are usually run through sheaves going through the hull Rich rather than over the rail.  That's how they get to either belaying pins or cleats on the inner bulwark.

[GLakie]

Augie's right Rich! Especially those fore and main braces. The fore braces will feed through sheaves in the hull next to the main mast, and the main braces will feed through sheaves back next to the rear of the boat davits. If you need a pic you can either check Modeler 12's log, or I can dig my plans out and take a snapshot of those sheaves only. (Have to mind copyright laws)

Edited February 20, 2015 by GLakie

[HIPEXEC]

Thanks George and Augie. I'd love to see a picture.

[robnbill]

I am not George or Augie, but I can show you the Mamoli rigging. The lower braces on the fore were led back to the main mast then down to the deck. The Tack and Clue were fed through the sides of the ship (holes represent sheaves on my scale). The lower main brace went back to the stern Bumpkins.

 

Also notice on the Clue and Tack rigging, to clear the line over the netting and other obstructions, the line is run through a block strung from the shrouds. This is adjusted until the line runs clear.

 

Below you can see the Main clue and tack running to the sides of the ship. The Brace you can see running to the bumpkin, From there it goes through the side of the ship and to the aft belaying pin rack.

 

 

Here is the Main Brace going into the ship after the bumpkin.

 

Here you can see the lower Fore Clue and Tack running to the forward bumpkins and aft through the side of the ship. 

 

 

 

Notice here that the lines start in a ring on the side then return to the same point, but slightly above before entering the ship at the deck level then to a Cleat. 

 

Forward

 

 

Midships

 

 

Herre is a close up on rigging a snatch block to pull the line over to clear the side of the ship before running it down to the deck.

 

 

In this you can pick out the Fore Brace running back to the main mast before going to the deck.

 

 

There are more examples below. Hopefully this helps.

 

 

[augie]

This is the best photo I have.  If you look at post #633, in the first 2 or 3 photos you'll see double sheaves passing through the hull planking.  There are 3 sets on each side of the hull and that's where the main braces come in.  

 

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/3371-usf-confederacy-by-augie-ms-164/page-43

 

Since you are all planked, it would be difficult to retrofit actual sheaves.  But you could simply drill the holes and connect them with a scribed line and get much the same effect.

[augie]

That's great Bill.  Between your photos and mine he should get the idea.

[HIPEXEC]

I am not George or Augie, but I can show you the Mamoli rigging. The lower braces on the fore were led back to the main mast then down to the deck. The Tack and Clue were fed through the sides of the ship (holes represent sheaves on my scale). The lower main brace went back to the stern Bumpkins.

 

Also notice on the Clue and Tack rigging, to clear the line over the netting and other obstructions, the line is run through a block strung from the shrouds. This is adjusted until the line runs clear.

 

Below you can see the Main clue and tack running to the sides of the ship. The Brace you can see running to the bumpkin, From there it goes through the side of the ship and to the aft belaying pin rack.

 

Constitution Rigging Examples 5.jpg

 

Here is the Main Brace going into the ship after the bumpkin.

Constitution Rigging Examples 1 (1).jpg

 

Here you can see the lower Fore Clue and Tack running to the forward bumpkins and aft through the side of the ship. 

 

Constitution Rigging Examples 6.jpg

 

Constitution Rigging Examples 2 (1).jpg

 

Notice here that the lines start in a ring on the side then return to the same point, but slightly above before entering the ship at the deck level then to a Cleat. 

Constitution Rigging Examples 3 (1).jpg

 

Forward

 

Constitution Rigging Examples 2 (2).jpg

 

Midships

 

Constitution Rigging Examples 1 (2).jpg

 

Herre is a close up on rigging a snatch block to pull the line over to clear the side of the ship before running it down to the deck.

 

Constitution Rigging Examples 4 (1).jpg

 

In this you can pick out the Fore Brace running back to the main mast before going to the deck.

 

Constitution Rigging Examples 2.jpg

 

There are more examples below. Hopefully this helps.

Thirteen pictures are worth a thousand words....thank you so much!

[HIPEXEC]

Thank you all for this amazing help.

[GLakie]

Sorry I didn't get back sooner Rich. Tied up for a while. Here's a couple pics of sheave locations taken from my plans. The main brace is like the ones Bill has shown, and look just like what's in the pics Augie shows. The fore brace, also P/S, is run through blocks tied to the main stay, just under the main top platform, then down to the pin rails next to the main mast.

 

Cheers

[HIPEXEC]

Progress is going to be very, very slow while I figure our exactly how to rig all these lines. I really need to see a picture of how a block is attached to a shroud so the line doesn't hang on the hammock nets. Drilling holes is difficult for me to bring myself to do, but I probably will create sheaves.

[robnbill]

I took the simple approach and just tied it to the shroud where I wanted it to be. Then I touched it with a bit of glue to hold it there. It will need to be in board of where you want it to be since it will move out board once the line goes through it. You will have to play with the length of it. The longer it is, thehigher in the shrouds it has to hang.

Edited February 22, 2015 by robnbill

[HIPEXEC]

Thanks, Bill

 

I took the simple approach and just tied it to the shroud where I wanted it to be. Then I touched it with a bit of glue to hold it there. It will need to be in board of where you want it to be since it will move out board once the line goes through it. You will have to play with the length of it. The longer it is, thehigher in the shrouds it has to hang.

[HIPEXEC]

Here I'm putting some wind in a jib. Rigging the jibs makes easy sense to me. The rest of the rigging still remains a mystery.

[popeye2sea]

I am not George or Augie, but I can show you the Mamoli rigging. The lower braces on the fore were led back to the main mast then down to the deck. The Tack and Clue were fed through the sides of the ship (holes represent sheaves on my scale). The lower main brace went back to the stern Bumpkins.

 

Also notice on the Clue and Tack rigging, to clear the line over the netting and other obstructions, the line is run through a block strung from the shrouds. This is adjusted until the line runs clear.

 

Below you can see the Main clue and tack running to the sides of the ship. The Brace you can see running to the bumpkin, From there it goes through the side of the ship and to the aft belaying pin rack.

 

Constitution Rigging Examples 5.jpg

 

Here is the Main Brace going into the ship after the bumpkin.

Constitution Rigging Examples 1 (1).jpg

 

Here you can see the lower Fore Clue and Tack running to the forward bumpkins and aft through the side of the ship. 

 

Constitution Rigging Examples 6.jpg

 

Constitution Rigging Examples 2 (1).jpg

 

Notice here that the lines start in a ring on the side then return to the same point, but slightly above before entering the ship at the deck level then to a Cleat. 

Constitution Rigging Examples 3 (1).jpg

 

Forward

 

Constitution Rigging Examples 2 (2).jpg

 

Midships

 

Constitution Rigging Examples 1 (2).jpg

 

Herre is a close up on rigging a snatch block to pull the line over to clear the side of the ship before running it down to the deck.

 

Constitution Rigging Examples 4 (1).jpg

 

In this you can pick out the Fore Brace running back to the main mast before going to the deck.

 

Constitution Rigging Examples 2.jpg

 

There are more examples below. Hopefully this helps.

 

My apologies, but I do not believe that your descriptions of the rigging in these pictures is accurate.  The braces run as you described (from the ends of the yards aft.  In your pictures you can see the cluster of three blocks at about the midpoint of each side of the yard.  The upper one is the clue, the lower forward is the tack, and the lower aft one is the sheet.  The sheet runs down and aft through sheaves in the hull, while the clew runs up to the yard through another block inboard and then down to the deck at the base of the mast.  The curious tackle hanging from a very long pendant attached at the yardarm and guyed in by a leading block attached to the shrouds I can only describe as a yard tackle.  It really has nothing to do with sail handling and would be rigged as such to lift objects on and off the ship.

[GLakie]

My apologies, but I do not believe that your descriptions of the rigging in these pictures is accurate.  The braces run as you described (from the ends of the yards aft.  In your pictures you can see the cluster of three blocks at about the midpoint of each side of the yard.  The upper one is the clue, the lower forward is the tack, and the lower aft one is the sheet.  The sheet runs down and aft through sheaves in the hull, while the clew runs up to the yard through another block inboard and then down to the deck at the base of the mast.  The curious tackle hanging from a very long pendant attached at the yardarm and guyed in by a leading block attached to the shrouds I can only describe as a yard tackle.  It really has nothing to do with sail handling and would be rigged as such to lift objects on and off the ship.

Hi Henry

    I don't want to hi-jack this thread but, just for my own curiosity, how accurate do you think the MS plans for the Connie are? They seem very detailed and well done, but we all know, shortcuts are taken in the design of these models. 

 

Cheers