CommodoreErie Posted January 11, 2023 Share #1 Posted January 11, 2023 After having finished the Grand Banks Dory (link to build log in signature), I'm trying my hand at the next model in the series. I expect updates for this log are going to be more sporadic than I would like, because I'm slated to be sailing for most of the time from March through October, but I'll work on this when I can. Started with unboxing and getting a sense of the parts. I can't help but feel a little intimidated, but then the dory looked scary before I started it too. Ryland Craze, ccoyle, druxey and 2 others 5 Quote In Shipyard: 1:12 Norwegian Sailing Pram Completed Builds: 1:24 Lowel Grand Banks Dory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted January 11, 2023 Share #2 Posted January 11, 2023 Step by step it will be much less scary than looking at all the parts at once! Ryland Craze 1 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveL Posted January 11, 2023 Share #3 Posted January 11, 2023 I’m ready to paint the Pram. I did the Dory first. You’ll find you are prepared. I’m enjoying the build on this. Ryland Craze 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted January 11, 2023 Share #4 Posted January 11, 2023 I love sailing prams! Good luck with this excellent kit. Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Hawker Hurricane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlee01 Posted January 11, 2023 Share #5 Posted January 11, 2023 Great choice, good luck with the build Quote Life is to short to be serious all the time. So, if you can't laugh at yourself, your not doing it right. Current Builds 18th Century Armed Longboat Finished Builds Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Lowell Grand Banks Dory Norwegian Sailing Pram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WizardOfOs Posted January 15, 2023 Share #6 Posted January 15, 2023 I’m just about to begin this model myself and am looking forward to following along with your progress. Quote Current Log: Albatros Completed Galleries: Lowell Grand Banks Dory, Norwegian Sailing Pram (Log), Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack (Log) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommodoreErie Posted January 22, 2023 Author Share #7 Posted January 22, 2023 Heh, step one and I'm already irritated. The bow transom isn't symmetrical, at least not at the top, so I attached the knee as best I could centered on the drill hole. I imagine I can make this make sense later, but for now it's annoying. WizardOfOs 1 Quote In Shipyard: 1:12 Norwegian Sailing Pram Completed Builds: 1:24 Lowel Grand Banks Dory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted January 23, 2023 Share #8 Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) If you aren't happy and have used white glue, an application of rubbing alcohol will debond the joint and you can re-do it. How do I know this? Edited January 23, 2023 by druxey Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommodoreErie Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share #9 Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, druxey said: If you aren't happy and have used white glue, an application of rubbing alcohol will debond the joint and you can re-do it. How do I know this? Oh, I know that trick. I had to redo the risers on the dory, after all. I mean that the transom piece itself isn't symmetrical. From the notch to the edge on one side is a half inch, and just under a half inch on the other. Not enough to make a difference (I don't think), but certainly enough to annoy yours truly. druxey and BMT 2 Quote In Shipyard: 1:12 Norwegian Sailing Pram Completed Builds: 1:24 Lowel Grand Banks Dory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMT Posted February 6, 2023 Share #10 Posted February 6, 2023 I started this craft six months ago with this set from models shipways. It was an excellent essential learning series. I am present on my fifth model while my fourth was damaged—long story. I look forward to how things proceed. BMT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommodoreErie Posted February 6, 2023 Author Share #11 Posted February 6, 2023 1 hour ago, BMT said: I started this craft six months ago with this set from models shipways. It was an excellent essential learning series. I am present on my fifth model while my fourth was damaged—long story. I look forward to how things proceed. BMT Me too, though updates here will be a bit more sporadic than I'd like. I'm going to be serving as a deckhand on the tall ship LYNX until April, and naturally won't be able to work on this until I get back. BMT 1 Quote In Shipyard: 1:12 Norwegian Sailing Pram Completed Builds: 1:24 Lowel Grand Banks Dory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BMT Posted February 6, 2023 Share #12 Posted February 6, 2023 Joy that experience....I did that for a short time on the Sumurum. However, that was my uncles boat so I sure I was given some leeway...😇 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommodoreErie Posted August 11, 2023 Author Share #13 Posted August 11, 2023 I promise I am still working on this, life things just keep getting in the way. Also, not sure what happened to the pictures I had posted in this thread. MajorChaos and Ryland Craze 2 Quote In Shipyard: 1:12 Norwegian Sailing Pram Completed Builds: 1:24 Lowel Grand Banks Dory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommodoreErie Posted September 10, 2023 Author Share #14 Posted September 10, 2023 Made some progress, decided it was time for an update. I apologize for being AWOL so long. I'm currently working on bending the bottom and keel planks, and have attached the bottom planks. Keel plank will go on next. The stern transom knee needed a slight adjustment up to reach the keel plank, and there's going to be a small gap that I'll likely fill in with wood putty. Then it's trimming the planks flush with the transoms, and we can move on the the garboard strakes. Also, reposting all the pictures thus far, since I have zero clue why this thread ate the ones I had. JacquesCousteau, iMustBeCrazy, Ryland Craze and 2 others 5 Quote In Shipyard: 1:12 Norwegian Sailing Pram Completed Builds: 1:24 Lowel Grand Banks Dory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted September 10, 2023 Share #15 Posted September 10, 2023 Off to a good clean start! CommodoreErie 1 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommodoreErie Posted September 11, 2023 Author Share #16 Posted September 11, 2023 Keel plank and bottom planks are assembled. I had to readjust the stern transom knee and fill in a gap with some wood putty (not the last time I expect to do so), but next is the garboard planks. We'll see how that goes. I'm probably also going to have to shave down the angle on port side of the transom to make the garboard fit nicely. Ahh well. Ryland Craze, iMustBeCrazy, Paul Le Wol and 5 others 8 Quote In Shipyard: 1:12 Norwegian Sailing Pram Completed Builds: 1:24 Lowel Grand Banks Dory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGibson Posted September 11, 2023 Share #17 Posted September 11, 2023 Great start, Commodore! I'd love to follow your progress on this. The Sailing Pram was a fun build for me. And great use already of the rubber bands and clips. Have plenty of both on hand! I remember using almost all my clips at times, and plenty of rubber bands! Sometimes I even used clips ON the rubber bands to make them even tighter! Ha! Carry on! robert952, Ryland Craze, druxey and 1 other 4 Quote Gregg Current Projects: Completed Projects: Waiting for Shipyard Clearance: Bluenose 1921 1:64 - Model Shipways Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12 - Model Shipways Yacht America Schooner 1851 1:64 - Model Shipways Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack 1:24 - Model Shipways RMS Titanic 1:300 - OcCre (Couldn't help myself when it was on sale) H.M. Schooner Ballahoo 1:64 - Caldercraft USS Constitution 1:76 - Model Shipways Santa Maria Caravelle 1:48 - Ships of Pavel Nikitin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommodoreErie Posted September 23, 2023 Author Share #18 Posted September 23, 2023 The garboard has historically been the most annoying plank for me. Was true on the dory, is still true here. I'm pretty proud of how the gain I cut turned out, and the garboard fit in place rather well. Need to repeat the process on the other side. MajorChaos, druxey, Ryland Craze and 5 others 8 Quote In Shipyard: 1:12 Norwegian Sailing Pram Completed Builds: 1:24 Lowel Grand Banks Dory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommodoreErie Posted September 26, 2023 Author Share #19 Posted September 26, 2023 I made a slight change to one of the garboards at the bow (let perfect be the enemy of good again), and got the second garboard on. Now I'm letting the planks bend down to the molds again before I start on the broad strakes. MajorChaos, JacquesCousteau, Ryland Craze and 5 others 8 Quote In Shipyard: 1:12 Norwegian Sailing Pram Completed Builds: 1:24 Lowel Grand Banks Dory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted September 26, 2023 Share #20 Posted September 26, 2023 (edited) Fine job on those gains! Edited September 26, 2023 by druxey CommodoreErie and robert952 2 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommodoreErie Posted October 5, 2023 Author Share #21 Posted October 5, 2023 I'm a little less please with the gain on the port side this time, but any mistakes and imperfections here will be covered by paint later anyway. Second strakes are on, just the sheer strakes to go, then I can attach the skeg and bilge keels. JacquesCousteau, robert952 and GGibson 3 Quote In Shipyard: 1:12 Norwegian Sailing Pram Completed Builds: 1:24 Lowel Grand Banks Dory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Woods Posted October 5, 2023 Share #22 Posted October 5, 2023 Your pram is looking great Erie! Cutting the gains is definitely an area I need practice at. robert952 1 Quote Current builds: Captain John Smith’s shallop - Pavel Nikitin, Peterboro Canoe- Midwest Back on the shelf: Gretel - Mamoli completed builds: Sea of Galilee boat Lowell Grand Banks dory Norwegian sailing pram Muscongus bay lobster smack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommodoreErie Posted October 6, 2023 Author Share #23 Posted October 6, 2023 From the current look of things as I'm bending the sheer strakes, they're going to rest slightly above the markings where the stern transom is cut and shaped. I'm trying to decide exactly how much of a problem that is. robert952 1 Quote In Shipyard: 1:12 Norwegian Sailing Pram Completed Builds: 1:24 Lowel Grand Banks Dory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommodoreErie Posted October 7, 2023 Author Share #24 Posted October 7, 2023 Got the first of the sheer strakes on. I have reservations on if the fact that it's resting above where the transom will eventually be cut and shaped is an issue or not. And if it is, how can I fix it from here. I thought I had been careful to line up the strakes on the bevel lines of the previous one, so I'm basically trying to decide if it's my fault or not. Or if it's even a problem. Any advice would be very welcome. JacquesCousteau, robert952 and GGibson 3 Quote In Shipyard: 1:12 Norwegian Sailing Pram Completed Builds: 1:24 Lowel Grand Banks Dory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGibson Posted October 7, 2023 Share #25 Posted October 7, 2023 Hey Commodore! It all looks really nice! If I am understanding your concern, I think you will be good. Whatever little sanding you need to do, plus your hull painting, will cover whatever small inconsistencies you see as the builder. Your local admirers won't notice after it's completed. Looking sharp. Getting ahead of where you are at now, but you'll be there in no time... thoughts on how you are going to finish the topside/interior? robert952 1 Quote Gregg Current Projects: Completed Projects: Waiting for Shipyard Clearance: Bluenose 1921 1:64 - Model Shipways Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12 - Model Shipways Yacht America Schooner 1851 1:64 - Model Shipways Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack 1:24 - Model Shipways RMS Titanic 1:300 - OcCre (Couldn't help myself when it was on sale) H.M. Schooner Ballahoo 1:64 - Caldercraft USS Constitution 1:76 - Model Shipways Santa Maria Caravelle 1:48 - Ships of Pavel Nikitin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JacquesCousteau Posted October 7, 2023 Share #26 Posted October 7, 2023 The curved line is where the transom is supposed to be cut, right? Checking other build logs, it looks like DonBMichigan and SkiBee had the same issue and just cut the transom line a bit higher up. I haven't done this build, but unless there's something further on that requires the transom to be at the exact dimensions of the scribed line, it doesn't look like it would cause a problem if it ends up a little taller. CommodoreErie, GGibson and robert952 3 Quote Kits: Model Shipways Dory (1:24) - Finished NRG Half-Hull Planking Kit (1:48) - In-progress Midwest Maine Peapod (1:14) - In-progress Scratch Builds: Xochimilco Trajinera (1:32) - Finished Lake Chapala Canoa de Rancho (1:32) - In-progress Juana y José Cross Section (1:32) - Finished Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGibson Posted October 7, 2023 Share #27 Posted October 7, 2023 Ahhh, my apologies. I believe I understand Commodore's concern now. Yes, my transom was cut a bit higher than where the line was drawn, as well. I pulled up some of my pictures I had taken and zoomed in a bit on my transom area. Sorry if some are a bit blurred due to the zooming. But you can see on mine, once the inwales and the quarter knees were in place, the stern transom piece (as well as the bow transom) was cut slightly higher than where their line was drawn, and it had no effect on ultimately how the rudder was placed. From my recollection on my NSP, you will be fine. Hope that helps. CommodoreErie, robert952 and JacquesCousteau 3 Quote Gregg Current Projects: Completed Projects: Waiting for Shipyard Clearance: Bluenose 1921 1:64 - Model Shipways Norwegian Sailing Pram 1:12 - Model Shipways Yacht America Schooner 1851 1:64 - Model Shipways Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack 1:24 - Model Shipways RMS Titanic 1:300 - OcCre (Couldn't help myself when it was on sale) H.M. Schooner Ballahoo 1:64 - Caldercraft USS Constitution 1:76 - Model Shipways Santa Maria Caravelle 1:48 - Ships of Pavel Nikitin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MajorChaos Posted October 7, 2023 Share #28 Posted October 7, 2023 (edited) I think I used the line as a guide, not so much trimmed to the line. The top and bottom part of the transom assy was tricky for me. It worked out, but it wasn’t to the plans or lines. All of my pictures are in my build log linked below. I just did the best I could. It looked great when painted lol. Edited October 7, 2023 by MajorChaos JacquesCousteau, robert952 and GGibson 3 Quote In the shipyard: Syren 1:24 Medway Longboat 1742 Model Shipways 1:64 Bluenose Model Shipways 18th Century Longboat OcCre 1:50 The Flying Dutchman Completed: Model Shipways Lowell Grand Banks Dory Model Shipways Norwegian Sailing Pram Model Shipways Muscongus Bay Lobster Smack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommodoreErie Posted October 7, 2023 Author Share #29 Posted October 7, 2023 11 hours ago, GGibson said: Hey Commodore! It all looks really nice! If I am understanding your concern, I think you will be good. Whatever little sanding you need to do, plus your hull painting, will cover whatever small inconsistencies you see as the builder. Your local admirers won't notice after it's completed. Looking sharp. Getting ahead of where you are at now, but you'll be there in no time... thoughts on how you are going to finish the topside/interior? If you mean painting, I'm thinking copper red for the interior, white for the hull, and leave the soleboards and thwarts unpainted. robert952, GGibson and JacquesCousteau 3 Quote In Shipyard: 1:12 Norwegian Sailing Pram Completed Builds: 1:24 Lowel Grand Banks Dory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommodoreErie Posted October 9, 2023 Author Share #30 Posted October 9, 2023 Okay, I finally got the sheer planks on. Pretty happy with how the bow came out. The sheer planks go about 2mm above the cut line for the stern transom, so I'm thinking I can raise the cut line by the same amount and be fine. I also filled in the more obvious gaps in the planking with wood putty. Next up is the skeg and bilge keels. WizardOfOs, JacquesCousteau, ccoyle and 3 others 6 Quote In Shipyard: 1:12 Norwegian Sailing Pram Completed Builds: 1:24 Lowel Grand Banks Dory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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