Tossedman Posted March 12, 2023 Share #1 Posted March 12, 2023 (edited) I stumbled across this video on YouTube this evening. Quite interesting. Edited March 12, 2023 by Tossedman ccoyle, Toolmaker, Baker and 13 others 12 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OllieS Posted March 12, 2023 Share #2 Posted March 12, 2023 This is great! Pretty much everything you need for general knowledge in 25 minutes. mtaylor, thibaultron and Tossedman 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcc Posted March 12, 2023 Share #3 Posted March 12, 2023 Excellent video! Tossedman, mtaylor and thibaultron 3 Quote Julian Current: Mamoli - Friesland Billing Boats - Dutch Sperwer Finished: Billing Boats - Bluenose Mamoli - Santa Maria On Hold: Caldercraft - Bomb Vessel Granado Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted March 13, 2023 Share #4 Posted March 13, 2023 A few minor points regarding terminology, but overall, an excellent video! Steven Tossedman, thibaultron and mtaylor 3 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler FINISHED Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/36379-mistydeefer-by-louie-da-fly-finished-restoration-decor-yacht/#comment-1040663 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted March 13, 2023 Share #5 Posted March 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Louie da fly said: A few minor points regarding terminology, but overall, an excellent video! Interesting video that obviously took a lot of effort to put together and as you point out, some terminology inaccuracies. At time mark 2:48, Jake states there are wooden air ducts fore and aft. This was a new one for me. I have never seen or heard of this on any contemporary plans or written sources. I suspect that if they are there, they are a modern contrivance. Anyone know if these were really on the Victory or any other ship back in the day? Allan Tossedman, thibaultron, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toolmaker Posted March 13, 2023 Share #6 Posted March 13, 2023 A very enjoyable watch Thank you Paul thibaultron, Tossedman and mtaylor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted March 13, 2023 Share #7 Posted March 13, 2023 10 hours ago, allanyed said: Interesting video that obviously took a lot of effort to put together and as you point out, some terminology inaccuracies. At time mark 2:48, Jake states there are wooden air ducts fore and aft. This was a new one for me. I have never seen or heard of this on any contemporary plans or written sources. I suspect that if they are there, they are a modern contrivance. Anyone know if these were really on the Victory or any other ship back in the day? Allan I wonder if he's talking about the gratings on the decks? Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie da fly Posted March 13, 2023 Share #8 Posted March 13, 2023 59 minutes ago, mtaylor said: I wonder if he's talking about the gratings on the decks? No, he shows them in the video. They are definitely ducts - square wooden tubes for and aft, angled up at the ends. mtaylor 1 Quote It's not really a ship model unless you've bled on it. CURRENT BUILDS Venetian merchant Ship from Basilica of San Marco Golden City - Ballarat paddlewheeler FINISHED Australian couta boat RMS Titanic HMVS Cerberus 11th century Byzantine dromon Winchelsea Nef - Late 13th century Mediaeval ship Henry Grace a Dieu - Rebuild of 1:200 model I started in 1967 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/36379-mistydeefer-by-louie-da-fly-finished-restoration-decor-yacht/#comment-1040663 Mistydeefer - restoration of decor model yacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted March 13, 2023 Share #9 Posted March 13, 2023 I saw that and am really confused by it. I've never seen anything like that. I did see one way back in the Usenet days were someone had set up the areas (pantries) around the mizzen mast on a 3-decker and made them into.... dumbwaiters to move food for the officers. Somedays, things just get weird I guess. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montaigne Posted March 14, 2023 Share #10 Posted March 14, 2023 I stumbled upon this too the other day searching for something else on Youtube, and it’s a great watch! Especially for me who know pretty much nothing about ships of the line (my main interest have always been historic research ships and boats in general). mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanyed Posted March 14, 2023 Share #11 Posted March 14, 2023 Montaigne, While it obviously took a lot of work to make this video and it really does look nice and something most of us could not produce, it does give out some misinformation. In addition to showing air ducts which I am pretty sure never existed in the 18th and 19th century ships of the line, some other examples are the flat deck beams, stating that lines are coated in black tar, and incorrect rigging of the breech ropes. This may have been changed on the modern day version but looking at a contemporary plan of Victory, the video has the galley stove in backwards. Allan mtaylor, Montaigne and bruce d 3 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcc Posted March 14, 2023 Share #12 Posted March 14, 2023 Don’t think the guy that produced this video was a naval architect or naval scholar but nonetheless it was incredibly well produced and gave us a great 3D understanding of a working ship of the line. Best to take it for what it is and not needlessly question the video and it’s historical accuracy. Afterall it was published on Youtube! Montaigne, mtaylor, Tossedman and 2 others 5 Quote Julian Current: Mamoli - Friesland Billing Boats - Dutch Sperwer Finished: Billing Boats - Bluenose Mamoli - Santa Maria On Hold: Caldercraft - Bomb Vessel Granado Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montaigne Posted March 14, 2023 Share #13 Posted March 14, 2023 1 hour ago, allanyed said: Montaigne, While it obviously took a lot of work to make this video and it really does look nice and something most of us could not produce, it does give out some misinformation. In addition to showing air ducts which I am pretty sure never existed in the 18th and 19th century ships of the line, some other examples are the flat deck beams, stating that lines are coated in black tar, and incorrect rigging of the breech ropes. This may have been changed on the modern day version but looking at a contemporary plan of Victory, the video has the galley stove in backwards. Thanks, the air ducts got me thinking too, like, wouldn’t they just get air from all the gun ports? It’s gotta be the draftiest place imaginable, even with the gun ports closed, I would imagine. In their defense though, they do say the following in the beginning: “We’ve based our model on the HMS Victory, however our goal is to present a high quality teaching model, with period correct generalizations, as opposed to a history lesson on the Victory herself.” oakheart, BenD, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OllieS Posted March 14, 2023 Share #14 Posted March 14, 2023 2 hours ago, Montaigne said: Thanks, the air ducts got me thinking too.... In their defense though, they do say the following in the beginning: “We’ve based our model on the HMS Victory.. WhenI went round Victory last Summer is was actually quite stuffy in the hold and orlop so the air ducts being a modernish improvement for the benefit of the public makes sense to me. No windows this far down for some unfathomable reason Montaigne and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montaigne Posted March 14, 2023 Share #15 Posted March 14, 2023 1 hour ago, OllieS said: WhenI went round Victory last Summer is was actually quite stuffy in the hold and orlop so the air ducts being a modernish improvement for the benefit of the public makes sense to me. No windows this far down for some unfathomable reason Ah ok, thanks for clarifying. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnBirdseye Posted March 14, 2023 Share #16 Posted March 14, 2023 Historical accuracy aside, a beautifully created teaching and training aid (which is what i beleive the maker was trying to acheive). mtaylor, Tossedman, Montaigne and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenD Posted March 15, 2023 Share #17 Posted March 15, 2023 Historical inaccuracies aside, I liked the video. It would have taken ages to produce that D3 model and then make a flythrough deck by deck. Quite impressive. mtaylor, CaptnBirdseye and Tossedman 3 Quote Ropes of Scale.com - Rope and cable for the scale modeler. Finished builds: HM Cutter Sherbourne - Caldercraft - 1:64 - 9th century longship - Falkonet - 1:72 Current builds: HMS Snake - Caldercraft - 1:64 - Tender Avos by BenD - Master Korabel - 1:72 - 19th Century Four-Oared Yawl by BenD - Falkonet - 1:24 scale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafi Posted March 15, 2023 Share #18 Posted March 15, 2023 (edited) Good one and wonderful! In our german site the question about the "vent trunks" came up too. Those are shown in the Vic today and are also displayed in the AOTS by McKay and this where the name was taken from. That´s why me too I incorporated them in my build, long before going to deeper resaerch and questioning sources like the modern authorities 🙂 My believe is that the principal source of the video is AOTS as other small bits fit in there too. All the best and enjoy the show, DAniel Edited March 15, 2023 by dafi mtaylor 1 Quote To victory and beyond! http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/76-hms-victory-by-dafi-to-victory-and-beyond/ See also our german forum for Sailing Ship Modeling and History: http://www.segelschiffsmodellbau.com/ Finest etch parts for HMS Victory 1:100 (Heller Kit) and other useful bits. http://dafinismus.de/index_en.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted March 15, 2023 Share #19 Posted March 15, 2023 Watching the video gives one a renewed appreciation of what people were able to accomplish using only wind, ingenuity, and manpower. BenD and Montaigne 2 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montaigne Posted March 15, 2023 Share #20 Posted March 15, 2023 9 minutes ago, ccoyle said: Watching the video gives one a renewed appreciation of what people were able to accomplish using only wind, ingenuity, and manpower. Indeed, that’s a very good summation. mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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