MikeR Posted January 10 #1 Posted January 10 Carronades by Adrian B. Caruana "The History of English Sea Ordnance" The main reason for carronades mounted on the outboard principle is doubtless that throughout the American War and for most of the Revolutionary War the normal emplacement for carronades was on the forecastle, gangways or quarterdeck, where they were mounted en barbette in ports with no lids. Anonymous drawings probably dating from the 1790's of a joint carronade mounted on the outboard principle, with all its fittings (R.A. Library) I will be using cherry, dogwood, ebony, and ipe. For the carronade I will turn it from 1" brass stock on my wood lathe, but first I turned one out of wood for practice. Canute, KARAVOKIRIS, scrubbyj427 and 10 others 13 Quote
MikeR Posted January 11 Author #2 Posted January 11 Here is my attempt to make a made up foremast, I glued up two 1" dogwood boards and turned the 1 1/2" mast. I then cut a 3/4" piece off the mast. To this I used rubber cement to glue a pattern of the mast pieces i wanted to cut out. On my scroll saw I used a 2/0 blade (.0087 X .0236) to cut the pieces of the made mast. With this size blade I can cut sharp 90 deg. angles. I then cut these pieces to different lengths and glued them up and attached it to the mast. The top copper band hides the seam. I also added the mast bands, front fish, and rope woolding. Mike R JohnB40, KARAVOKIRIS, mtaylor and 11 others 11 3 Quote
Thukydides Posted January 11 #3 Posted January 11 It is looking really good. One question I have is regarding the type of carronade used. Most primary sources I have been able to find seem to use the older style carronade mount for the 1780s and 90s. For example see this image from the RMG. https://www.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/rmgc-object-86779 These were originally adempted to be mounted inboard, but that didn't work as you noted due to he problem of setting the shrouds on fire. So they started to mount them outboard. Even as late as 1802 similar styles appear still to be in use, for example see this one from the Museum of Wales. You can see how the shape is starting to resemble the later shape now, but they still don't have the pin mechanism of elevation on the go yet. They are also still using the old style of carriage with the carronade attached There is also this one from 1796, which was made for a river barge that has a completely different configuration, but importantly note that there is no pin yet. https://www.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/rmgc-object-85086 What is the RA Library, I would be interested in seeing more info on the drawing as most examples I have seen of early carronades seem to not have the pin. GrandpaPhil, AnobiumPunctatum, Canute and 3 others 6 Quote Current Builds: HMS Perseus (Scratch) Completed Builds: Type VII C U Boat (HobbyBoss); HM Cutter Alert (Vanguard Models)
druxey Posted January 11 #4 Posted January 11 There is little available on carronades mounted on the 'outboard principle'. Some years ago I researched these mounts from the early 1780's. Contemporary illustrations are reproduced in Caruana's The History of English Sea Ordnance 1523-1875, Volume II, pages 195 et seq. (The actual model's carronades were cast in pewter.) Canute, Thukydides, dvm27 and 10 others 13 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
MikeR Posted January 11 Author #5 Posted January 11 Thukydides The R.A. Library is the Royal Artillery Library. The information I used was from "The History of English Sea Ordnance" by Adrian B. Caruana and on page 185 it states that between 1782 and 1783 the design changed from trunnions to a carronade loop also called "joint" Which did away with the quoin and handspike for elevation the alternative was using a screw for elevation. Druxey That is the same book I used for information. The carronade that I made was a 24-pdr cast by Carron in 1779 Length 32 inches. thibaultron, JohnB40, Thukydides and 9 others 12 Quote
MikeR Posted January 12 Author #6 Posted January 12 A few detail photos of the cannonade. Mike R Thukydides, Siggi52, Canute and 9 others 12 Quote
MikeR Posted January 16 Author #7 Posted January 16 I am using my scroll saw to cut out the wooden and brass pieces for the traversing trucks for the carronade carriage, the hole in the decking for the mast and the mast wedges. Mike R scrubbyj427, thibaultron, CiscoH and 8 others 9 2 Quote
MikeR Posted January 19 Author #8 Posted January 19 I used dogwood for all of the planking and ebony for the rails and channe Mike Thukydides, GrandpaPhil, mtaylor and 10 others 11 2 Quote
MikeR Posted January 20 Author #9 Posted January 20 To make this swivel gun I used 1/2" brass rod which I turned on my lathe. The mounting bracket was cut out of 3/16" copper plate. mtaylor, JohnB40, KARAVOKIRIS and 5 others 7 1 Quote
MikeR Posted January 21 Author #10 Posted January 21 Here I am cutting the channel support brackets out of 1/8" copper mtaylor, mtbediz, CiscoH and 8 others 11 Quote
MikeR Posted January 24 Author #11 Posted January 24 I replaced the modern day hex head nuts with square nuts which were made out of 1/16" brass strips and drilled and tapped for 1.4mm threads Canute, JohnB40, mtaylor and 5 others 7 1 Quote
MikeR Posted January 24 Author #12 Posted January 24 A storage chest will be mounted to the deck albert, KARAVOKIRIS, davyboy and 5 others 7 1 Quote
MikeR Posted January 24 Author #13 Posted January 24 Loading and cleaning tools for the carronade and swivel gun. thibaultron, KARAVOKIRIS, albert and 9 others 10 2 Quote
jfhealey Posted January 24 #14 Posted January 24 absolutely gorgeous work. Fred Canute, thibaultron and mtaylor 3 Quote
MikeR Posted January 25 Author #15 Posted January 25 The following information is from "The History of English Sea Ordnance" by Adrian B. Caruana Canute, davyboy, AnobiumPunctatum and 5 others 6 2 Quote
MikeR Posted January 26 Author #16 Posted January 26 Rope coils around the fore mast albert, dvm27, mtaylor and 10 others 11 2 Quote
dvm27 Posted January 26 #17 Posted January 26 Very happy to have found this log! I love the built up stump mast in post #2. Congratulations on a beautiful sectional model. Canute, thibaultron and mtaylor 3 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752
AnobiumPunctatum Posted January 27 #18 Posted January 27 Congratulation for building this wonderful small model. mtaylor, Canute and thibaultron 3 Quote Regards Christian Current build: HM Cutter Alert, 1777; HM Sloop Fly, 1776 - 1/36 On the drawing board: English Ship Sloops Fly, 1776, Comet, 1783 and Aetna, 1776; Naval Cutter Alert, 1777 Paused: HMS Triton, 1771 - 1/48 "Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it." Salvador Dali
MikeR Posted January 31 Author #19 Posted January 31 Thanks to every one who has checked out this build. It has been fun. Mike R Hartron, albert, Thukydides and 9 others 8 4 Quote
Thukydides Posted January 31 #20 Posted January 31 Great job, looks very nice. Knocklouder, thibaultron, CiscoH and 2 others 5 Quote Current Builds: HMS Perseus (Scratch) Completed Builds: Type VII C U Boat (HobbyBoss); HM Cutter Alert (Vanguard Models)
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