GrandpaPhil Posted January 11 Author #91 Posted January 11 (edited) On 1/1/2025 at 6:37 PM, SaltyScot said: And that is the way it should be Phil. I find that enjoying it, as we so often do, makes the trickier tasks go easier. Very nice work sir. Thank you very much! I have the conning tower built up and ready to paint. Working on my old nemesis, ladders: Slow but steady definitely wins the race here! Edited January 11 by GrandpaPhil Coyote_6, king derelict, madtatt and 4 others 7 Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
GrandpaPhil Posted January 12 Author #92 Posted January 12 The conning tower is on: She’s taking shape! yvesvidal, John Fox III, Old Collingwood and 5 others 8 Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
SaltyScot Posted January 13 #93 Posted January 13 She certainly is, Phil. Because I am not familiar with card models I have a question; how stable are these kits once they are put together and, do you have to treat them in any way so that they are not affected by, shall we say, humidity? Keith Black, GrandpaPhil, Canute and 1 other 4 Mark On the table: Endeavour 1934 - J Class Racing Yacht - 1:80 Next up: Lynx, Baltimore Clipper Schooner - MANTUA - 1:62 Awaiting shipyard clearance: HMS Endurance - OcCre - 1:70 Wishlist: 1939 Chris Craft Runabout - Garrett Wade - 1:8 Dogs do speak, but only to those who know how to listen
GrandpaPhil Posted January 13 Author #94 Posted January 13 (edited) I seal the models as I go with an acrylic clear coat to protect them. As far as stability goes, once the hull is covered, they are quite strong. The scratch built ones are every bit as strong and durable as a wood build. The Orel kits are a little different than the scratch builds. The material is thinner and the pieces are much smaller due to the smaller scale of the models. However, once built, I haven’t had any problems, although the Solferino, which is the only other Orel kit that I built at 1/200 scale, is only a couple of years old and is kept in a case. Edited January 13 by GrandpaPhil Ryland Craze, Old Collingwood, Keith Black and 3 others 6 Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
Old Collingwood Posted January 13 #95 Posted January 13 Coming on nicely Phil. OC. king derelict, Canute, GrandpaPhil and 2 others 4 1 Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1
GrandpaPhil Posted January 13 Author #96 Posted January 13 (edited) 11 hours ago, Old Collingwood said: Coming on nicely Phil. OC. OC, Thank you very much! I finished the ladder and installed it after three attempts to make the handles failed. I also sealed everything that hadn’t been sealed yet. Then I remembered an article from Digital Navy that I read a while back about essentially using paper as photoetch. So, I broke out my light table and did some tracing: And then cut out the pieces that I needed for the lower ladder: It should be noted that I coated both sides of the paper that I cut the ladder from with clear coat prior to cutting, which made it into a type of composite material which won’t fuzz or fray out. I’m not particularly shy about making my own pieces, it’s part of why I like card kits. One of the recent NRJ’s had an article, an editorial, discussing card modelers and whether card modeling is a form of scratch building because a card kit is in essence a set of templates that a model is cut out from, very precisely, and built. For me, it’s not too different than what I did with my sailing Sampan, built from Amati kit plans or my model of the Revenge that is being built from Amati’s Victory Models line of kits. In fact, my experience with the Revenge’s plans led me to buy up many more sets of Amati plans. The only difference between those builds and a card kit is the thickness of material. In the other models, I essentially built up the card to the thickness of a wood part and built like a conventional wood model. However, the basic concept is pretty much identical. Edited January 13 by GrandpaPhil Canute, Glen McGuire, Keith Black and 7 others 10 Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
Coyote_6 Posted January 13 #97 Posted January 13 This makes complete sense. There are times I wish I was working with "thinner wood", so there we go! She looks great Phil! Steve Keith Black, GrandpaPhil, Canute and 1 other 3 1 Steve San Diego Ship Modelers Guild Nautical Research Guild Launched: USS Theodore Roosevelt, CVN 71 (1/720, Plastic) USS Missouri, BB 63 (1/535 Plastic) USS Yorktown, CV 5 (1/700, Plastic) In Dry Dock: Prince de Neufchatel, New York 1812 (1/58, Wood) USS Enterprise, CVAN 65 (1/720, Plastic)
GrandpaPhil Posted January 13 Author #98 Posted January 13 6 hours ago, Coyote_6 said: This makes complete sense. There are times I wish I was working with "thinner wood", so there we go! She looks great Phil! Steve Steve, Thank you very much! The superstructure continues to grow: I have been using @Captain Slog’s Borodino build log as a reference to figure out the forward bridges. I need to make the forward part of the next deck up about 1mm thicker to fix a slight dip in the forward deck. Using paper as photoetch railings worked beautifully once I figured it out. Preshape the part as a block. Seal both sides before cutting out the railings and then when you paint, don’t lay them on something that the paint will stick to. Wait until the paint dries completely before handling and installing the part. Knocklouder, king derelict, Glen McGuire and 7 others 8 2 Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
SaltyScot Posted January 14 #99 Posted January 14 Looking good Phil and, we all learn by our mistakes, don't we? You have quite the snowy view out of that window there sir Canute, Glen McGuire, GrandpaPhil and 3 others 5 1 Mark On the table: Endeavour 1934 - J Class Racing Yacht - 1:80 Next up: Lynx, Baltimore Clipper Schooner - MANTUA - 1:62 Awaiting shipyard clearance: HMS Endurance - OcCre - 1:70 Wishlist: 1939 Chris Craft Runabout - Garrett Wade - 1:8 Dogs do speak, but only to those who know how to listen
GrandpaPhil Posted January 17 Author #100 Posted January 17 On 1/13/2025 at 9:36 PM, SaltyScot said: Looking good Phil and, we all learn by our mistakes, don't we? You have quite the snowy view out of that window there sir Thank you very much! I really like that view out my workshop window! I learn from each mistake! As long as I keep getting better, I’m happy! The front armor shield is on, in front of the conning tower! Oryol is starting to look really good! Glen McGuire, John Fox III, Keith Black and 8 others 11 Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
SaltyScot Posted January 17 #101 Posted January 17 Yes, she is indeed Phil. Nice work there sir. Canute, Keith Black, Glen McGuire and 2 others 4 1 Mark On the table: Endeavour 1934 - J Class Racing Yacht - 1:80 Next up: Lynx, Baltimore Clipper Schooner - MANTUA - 1:62 Awaiting shipyard clearance: HMS Endurance - OcCre - 1:70 Wishlist: 1939 Chris Craft Runabout - Garrett Wade - 1:8 Dogs do speak, but only to those who know how to listen
GrandpaPhil Posted January 19 Author #102 Posted January 19 (edited) On 1/16/2025 at 8:56 PM, SaltyScot said: Yes, she is indeed Phil. Nice work there sir. Thank you very much! I added the rest of the interior structures/structural pieces to the first deck of the bow tower: To ensure alignment of the aft structural pieces, I also made the second deck and test fitted it: The forward part is 1mm thicker than the aft part to absorb the slight offset seen in the first deck from the main deck. Next up: some homemade photo etch railings made of paper and two ladders to finish out the first deck! Edited January 19 by GrandpaPhil Old Collingwood, Ryland Craze, Knocklouder and 7 others 10 Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
Old Collingwood Posted January 19 #103 Posted January 19 Excellent work Phil. OC. Canute, GrandpaPhil and Keith Black 2 1 Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1
SaltyScot Posted January 19 #104 Posted January 19 She looks better every time I see her, Phil, really coming along nicely. Your last image here shows a good example of how the card is stacked (I hope I got that right??) for strength once it is fitted. Very interesting. Canute, king derelict, GrandpaPhil and 2 others 4 1 Mark On the table: Endeavour 1934 - J Class Racing Yacht - 1:80 Next up: Lynx, Baltimore Clipper Schooner - MANTUA - 1:62 Awaiting shipyard clearance: HMS Endurance - OcCre - 1:70 Wishlist: 1939 Chris Craft Runabout - Garrett Wade - 1:8 Dogs do speak, but only to those who know how to listen
GrandpaPhil Posted January 20 Author #105 Posted January 20 (edited) On 1/18/2025 at 8:58 PM, Old Collingwood said: Excellent work Phil. OC. OC, Thank you very much! On 1/18/2025 at 9:34 PM, SaltyScot said: She looks better every time I see her, Phil, really coming along nicely. Your last image here shows a good example of how the card is stacked (I hope I got that right??) for strength once it is fitted. Very interesting. Mark, Thank you very much! The layering up (or stacking) is sometimes also referred to as laminating the card. It is used for both strength and to make up the thickness as would be seen with a wood model. The extra is needed on this one because I have a visible sagging where the forward main deck connects to the amidships portion (aka damage control) that is affecting the upper works. Paint should hide the extra card on the next deck pretty well prior to installation. For the railings, I am using the method recommended by the owner of Digital Navy in an article that used to be on his website. I traced everything out, then cut the railings out in a block and fitted/pre-shaped them, to include scoring. Then I cut them out VERY carefully and glued them down. I also made the two aft ladders as part of this. Everything will be painted in place. I think for these that will be easier due to strength concerns. Edited January 20 by GrandpaPhil Glen McGuire, Coyote_6, mcb and 11 others 10 4 Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
Jsk Posted January 20 #106 Posted January 20 The Black Ship is looking menacing! If I understand what you're doing that seems like a lot of work for the railings. Are you cutting out the voids? All the little rectangles between the posts and railings? Canute, Keith Black, Old Collingwood and 1 other 3 1 --jeff In Process: USS Baltimore 1/200 Card, Skipjack Kathryn 1/72 Card (scratch build) Completed Builds: Slavic (Viking) Longship 1/72 (Falconet), US Revenue Cutter 1/72 Card (Seahorse),
Old Collingwood Posted January 20 #107 Posted January 20 Crazy delicate work here Phil - hat certainly taken off to you for what you are doing. OC. king derelict, Keith Black, Canute and 1 other 3 1 Current builds 28mm Battle of Waterloo attack on La Haye Saint Diorama. 1/700 HMS Hood Flyhawk with PE, Resin and Wood Decking. Completed works. Dragon 1/700 HMS Edinburgh type 42 batch 3 Destroyer plastic. HMS Warspite Academy 1/350 plastic kit and wem parts. HMS Trafalgar Airfix 1/350 submarine plastic. Black Pearl 1/72 Revell with pirate crew. Revell 1/48 Mosquito B IV Eduard 1/48 Spitfire IX ICM 1/48 Seafire Mk.III Special Conversion 1/48 Kinetic Sea Harrier FRS1
GrandpaPhil Posted January 20 Author #108 Posted January 20 (edited) 3 hours ago, Jsk said: The Black Ship is looking menacing! If I understand what you're doing that seems like a lot of work for the railings. Are you cutting out the voids? All the little rectangles between the posts and railings? Thank you very much! That had to be an intimidation tactic back in the day. Yes, I am cutting out all the voids. It’s just normal printer paper that I sealed on both sides. It’s labor intensive, but so worth it. 2 hours ago, Old Collingwood said: Crazy delicate work here Phil - hat certainly taken off to you for what you are doing. OC. OC, Thank you very much! Edited January 20 by GrandpaPhil king derelict, Old Collingwood, Coyote_6 and 2 others 5 Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
GrandpaPhil Posted January 21 Author #109 Posted January 21 The other side is on: Time to paint and move up to the next deck! John Fox III, Old Collingwood, clearway and 8 others 11 Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
GrandpaPhil Posted January 22 Author #110 Posted January 22 The next deck is on: The silhouette is growing: Here’s the next deck’s worth of pieces: Keith Black, Coyote_6, John Fox III and 6 others 9 Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
SaltyScot Posted January 22 #111 Posted January 22 You certainly have your work "cut out" for you there, Phil king derelict, Keith Black, Glen McGuire and 5 others 1 7 Mark On the table: Endeavour 1934 - J Class Racing Yacht - 1:80 Next up: Lynx, Baltimore Clipper Schooner - MANTUA - 1:62 Awaiting shipyard clearance: HMS Endurance - OcCre - 1:70 Wishlist: 1939 Chris Craft Runabout - Garrett Wade - 1:8 Dogs do speak, but only to those who know how to listen
GrandpaPhil Posted January 22 Author #112 Posted January 22 LOL! Indeed I do! Old Collingwood, Canute and Keith Black 3 Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
GrandpaPhil Posted January 25 Author #113 Posted January 25 The first deckhouse of the next deck: Glen McGuire, SaltyScot, Old Collingwood and 6 others 9 Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
GrandpaPhil Posted January 26 Author #114 Posted January 26 The second deck of the forward tower now has all deck houses: Next, I need to build up and add the rest of the support structure for the top deck and then make the railings. Old Collingwood, Keith Black, king derelict and 6 others 8 1 Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
SaltyScot Posted January 26 #115 Posted January 26 Impressive looking ship there Phil. I am enjoying seeing her come together sir. Keith Black, GrandpaPhil, Old Collingwood and 1 other 3 1 Mark On the table: Endeavour 1934 - J Class Racing Yacht - 1:80 Next up: Lynx, Baltimore Clipper Schooner - MANTUA - 1:62 Awaiting shipyard clearance: HMS Endurance - OcCre - 1:70 Wishlist: 1939 Chris Craft Runabout - Garrett Wade - 1:8 Dogs do speak, but only to those who know how to listen
No Idea Posted January 26 #116 Posted January 26 GrandpaPhil your ship is looking incredible - amazing work GrandpaPhil, Canute, Keith Black and 1 other 3 1
GrandpaPhil Posted January 29 Author #117 Posted January 29 (edited) On 1/26/2025 at 8:45 AM, SaltyScot said: Impressive looking ship there Phil. I am enjoying seeing her come together sir. Mark, Thank you very much! I have been enjoying this one quite a lot! This is only my second predreadnought, the first was an Encore Olympia, and has been a learning curve. On 1/26/2025 at 10:02 AM, No Idea said: GrandpaPhil your ship is looking incredible - amazing work Thank you very much! Cutting out more railings: Edited January 29 by GrandpaPhil king derelict, Old Collingwood, Coyote_6 and 7 others 5 1 4 Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
king derelict Posted January 29 #118 Posted January 29 You have made terrific progress while I have been away. I’m amazed at the delicate railings but they really improve the model. The ship is looking really good as the build progresses. Congratulations alan Keith Black, GrandpaPhil, Canute and 1 other 3 1
SaltyScot Posted January 29 #119 Posted January 29 That is some fiddly, intricate work with those railings, Phil. You are doing a nice job with them sir. Canute, GrandpaPhil, Keith Black and 2 others 4 1 Mark On the table: Endeavour 1934 - J Class Racing Yacht - 1:80 Next up: Lynx, Baltimore Clipper Schooner - MANTUA - 1:62 Awaiting shipyard clearance: HMS Endurance - OcCre - 1:70 Wishlist: 1939 Chris Craft Runabout - Garrett Wade - 1:8 Dogs do speak, but only to those who know how to listen
GrandpaPhil Posted January 31 Author #120 Posted January 31 (edited) Thank you both very much for the comments! Thank you everyone for the likes and for stopping by! The railings are very time consuming, but definitely worth it! Speaking of which: After several hours of cutting, this one is ready for installation! Edited January 31 by GrandpaPhil Keith Black, Canute, SaltyScot and 4 others 2 5 Building: 1:200 Russian Battleship Oryol (Orel card kit) 1:64 HMS Revenge (Victory Models plans) 1:64 Cat Esther (17th Century Dutch Merchant Ships)
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