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Posted

Thank you Mike,

the look at the mast step, is mostly hidden by the mast fish. The flat part of it, belonged to the mast fish. It is in reality one pice of wood, 1 X 5 m oak! So also without decking, you would't see much more of it.

Regards,

Siggi

 

Recent build: Gokstad ship (ca900)

Recent build: HMS Tiger (1747)

Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build
HMS Dragon 74 gunner 1760, scratch build

Posted

Siggi,

 

Very nicely made! This shows real craftsmanship. Not only in the way of building but also in the research to the right details. You don't make the blocks as you find them in a model shop, but rely on the remains that have been found on the actual ship. Congratulations!

Constant  (Tartane)

Posted

Hello,

today I build the two blocks, a one and a two sheave, for the halyard and two of the shroud pins. The thicker part of them is still a little green, so the rest has to wait a little longer.

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Regards,

Siggi

 

Recent build: Gokstad ship (ca900)

Recent build: HMS Tiger (1747)

Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build
HMS Dragon 74 gunner 1760, scratch build

Posted

Hello and thanks for your comments and likes

today I build the tiller for the rudder. After turning most of the handle, I had to glue it to a peace of wood. My fingers are too thick to hold it. It's 21 mm long, and the handle after the head has 1 mm Ø.

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I carved mostly with my small V cutter and my carving knife. Using also small files. And that is the result

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This is a little faking, because the tiller is too short to go through the slot 😐 But you would't see it 😇

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And now in action, but not fast

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Regards,

Siggi

 

Recent build: Gokstad ship (ca900)

Recent build: HMS Tiger (1747)

Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build
HMS Dragon 74 gunner 1760, scratch build

Posted (edited)

Hello,

because I was not really happy with the tiller, I build today a new one.

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At that picture you see on top the drawing Dammann did, with a too short plug. The black thing in the middle is the original tiller, or what is left of it, and my calculations for 1:10. Below that in 1:50 and the new tiller.

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And here is he installed. I think it looks much better

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Edited by Siggi52

Regards,

Siggi

 

Recent build: Gokstad ship (ca900)

Recent build: HMS Tiger (1747)

Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build
HMS Dragon 74 gunner 1760, scratch build

Posted

   Not happy with the first one?  I'd be delighted to buy it for a future project !! ... Of course, you've upped the bar with the detail on the second tiller.

Completed builds:  Khufu Solar Barge - 1:72 Woody Joe

Current project(s): Gorch Fock restoration 1:100, Billing Wasa (bust) - 1:100 Billings, Great Harry (bust) 1:88 ex. Sergal 1:65

 

 

 

Posted

Applause for your excellent build of this surprisingly rewarding kit. Siggi.

 

I found the photo of what remains of the original tiller enlightening.

It would no doubt have been made entirely from a small branch, probably selected with an organic curve, contributing to the ergonomics of it's use, and would compliment the ship.

I intuitively feel a straight member looks too 'stick' like in context.

After all, the steersman would have wrestled with it for long periods.

A decent scythe handle has such a curve for similar reasons.

Posted

Hello Shipman,

I think that the original tiller was centuries ago strait, and not curved as now. Otherwise the helmsman must have worked directly at the floor. It was made from ash. So as it is now at my model, the helmsman could work from his seachest, in a sitting position.

Regards,

Siggi

 

Recent build: Gokstad ship (ca900)

Recent build: HMS Tiger (1747)

Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build
HMS Dragon 74 gunner 1760, scratch build

Posted

Hello and thank you for your comments and likes,

to show the high of the tiller in relation to the helmsman I made a picture with one of my carpenters. He is 1,70 m large, and the tiller is at 80 cm from the floor. And shipman, even at the original ship they have a strait tiller replica.

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Regards,

Siggi

 

Recent build: Gokstad ship (ca900)

Recent build: HMS Tiger (1747)

Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build
HMS Dragon 74 gunner 1760, scratch build

Posted
1 hour ago, Siggi52 said:

Hello and thank you for your comments and likes,

to show the high of the tiller in relation to the helmsman I made a picture with one of my carpenters. He is 1,70 m large, and the tiller is at 80 cm from the floor. And shipman, even at the original ship they have a strait tiller replica.

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Hi Siggi.

We rely on the evidence of so few examples preserved. I would be interested to see other contemporary tillers, not replicas.

I feel my comments/observations above still have merit.

There must have been hundreds if not thousands of similar ships built without plans of any kind, only the intuitive skill, experience and imagination of each 'master' shipwright.

No two would have been the same.

Your excellent build continues to inspire me.

Posted (edited)

Hello shipman,

I think, you better discus this with the archeologists, scientist and reenactors with 1:1 replicas of viking ships. A tiller that goes down, is not really ergonomic in this case. I'm happy with this strait tiller.

Edited by Siggi52

Regards,

Siggi

 

Recent build: Gokstad ship (ca900)

Recent build: HMS Tiger (1747)

Captains Barge ca. 1760, scratch build
HMS Dragon 74 gunner 1760, scratch build

Posted
8 minutes ago, Siggi52 said:

I think, you better discus this with the archeologists, scientist and reanactors with 1:1 replicas of viking ships. A tiller that goes down, is not really ergonomic in this case. I'm happy with this strait tiller.

 I agree with with Siggi, Shipman. This would be a better topic discussed in the Nautical/Naval History section of the forum. 

Current Builds: Sternwheeler from the Susquehanna River's Hard Coal Navy

                            Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee

                            Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia

 

Completed: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula

                      1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver                       

                       Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration

 

 

Posted
23 minutes ago, Keith Black said:

This would be a better topic discussed in the Nautical/Naval History section of the forum.

 

No need. I think the two gentlemen have each made their point as far as this build is concerned.

Chris Coyle

Greer, South Carolina
When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco

Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Mitsubishi A6M5a,

 

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