md1400cs Posted January 4, 2014 #31 Posted January 4, 2014 Frank, That gold leafing really sets off those "horses" Super nice idea on your part. The Pegasus base set looks really perfect for this ship (I again thank you for sourcing my set which I will also attempt to leaf as well). Michael Salty Sea Dog 1 Quote Michael Current build : Sovereign of the Seas 1/78 Sergal Under the table: Golden Hind - C Mamoli Oseberg - Billings 720 - Drakkar - Amati Completed: Santa Maria-Mantua -- Vasa-Corel - Santisima Trinidad cross section OcCre 1/90th Gallery : Santa Maria - Vasa -
fmodajr Posted January 5, 2014 Author #32 Posted January 5, 2014 Thanks Michael, I am away for the weekend. When I return early next week I will post my next set of pictures and try to explain the "why and how" of my attempt at gold leafing. Looking at all the Wasa logs in this forum and seeing the wonderful paint jobs of the figurines, it will be interesting to see what the members think about the different direction I took with the figurines! We'll see! Thanks again Michael for pointing me in the right direction for purchasing the decorative stanchions for the bow railing. I just finished installing the 2 fwd catheads and I will start working on the bow railing and the side railings on both sides of the ship. Frank WackoWolf 1 Quote
fmodajr Posted January 6, 2014 Author #33 Posted January 6, 2014 When finishing the figurines, I decided to go a different direction. I decided to Gold Leaf the figurines for a couple of reasons. 1. I tried grinding the figurines down as thin as I could to try to get them to a better scale and in doing so, I took off a lot of the gold finish that was on them. 2. I did not like the gold finish that was on the figurines from Corel and I thought that they were too bright and shiny and I wanted to mute them a little. 3. I was hoping that they would look well with the red paint I used. And 4. Although I am very very impressed with the paint job's done on the other log builds on this site, I thought I would make my ship a little different. Let me know what you think! I bought my gold leaf supplies at Sepp Leaf Products in New York. http://www.seppleaf.com The Gold Leaf I chose is the "Monarch 22 karat Leaf in 3 3/8" by 3 3/8" size. After grinding, fitting, and cleaning the figurines (I did only a few at a time) I applied the "Rolco Quick Dry Gilding Size" or glue to the figurines using a paint brush. I then let them sit for 2 hours until tacky to the touch. (If I tried to apply the leaf sooner than 2 hours, things would get too sticky and messy. Longer than 2 hours and the glue would be too dry for me). After 2 hours, using tweezers, I would separate sections of the gold leaf and apply them to the figurines. Then, using a very soft "makeup" brush, (see picture) I would work the leafing in to all the crevices. If I have to gold leaf a large piece (like the Pegasus stands, I would only do a section of the piece and then another section the next night. After applying the Leaf, I would let the figurines sit over night until dry and the fit them on the ship. I left off the 2 tall figurines on each side of the stern, until I finish the side railings! Thanks and let me know what you think! Frank cristikc, JPett, marktiedens and 6 others 9 Quote
marktiedens Posted January 7, 2014 #34 Posted January 7, 2014 I like it - really stands out against the red paint.Also a real time saver - it`s a real pain to paint all those figures. Mark Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways
md1400cs Posted January 7, 2014 #35 Posted January 7, 2014 Frank, Mark is right. Painting those figures was a real pain. Your approach with the gold leafing provides a very nice effect. Looks very good. PS: Got your letter today, will return it to you this week. Michael Quote Michael Current build : Sovereign of the Seas 1/78 Sergal Under the table: Golden Hind - C Mamoli Oseberg - Billings 720 - Drakkar - Amati Completed: Santa Maria-Mantua -- Vasa-Corel - Santisima Trinidad cross section OcCre 1/90th Gallery : Santa Maria - Vasa -
WackoWolf Posted January 7, 2014 #36 Posted January 7, 2014 Beautiful. Thank you for taking the time to let us know how you did the work. Keep the pictures and post coming, this is a Beautiful ship and the work you are doing is outstanding. Quote Wacko Joe Go MSW :)
NMBROOK Posted January 7, 2014 #37 Posted January 7, 2014 Wonderful job with the gilding Frank This is really exceptional work as it is so easy to loose the detail on these small castings with this process. Kind Regards Nigel WackoWolf 1 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline
Ulises Victoria Posted January 7, 2014 #38 Posted January 7, 2014 I like it, and I will try the gold leaf method in my future builds. The Royal Louis has some golden decorations. Not as many as Vasa, though. Thank you very much for explaining how you do it. Best regards. Quote There aren't but two options: do it FAST, or do it RIGHT. Current Project Build Log: Soleil Royal in 1/72. Kit by Artesania Latina. Last finished projects: Royal Ship Vasa 1628; French Vessel Royal Louis 1780. 1/90 Scale by Mamoli. 120 Cannons Future projects already in my stash: Panart: San Felipe 1/75; OcCre: Santísima Trinidad 1/90; Wish List: 1/64 Amati Victory, HMS Enterprise in 1/48 by CAF models. So much to build, so little time!
fmodajr Posted January 7, 2014 Author #39 Posted January 7, 2014 I like it - really stands out against the red paint.Also a real time saver - it`s a real pain to paint all those figures. Mark HI Mark and Michael, Thank you for your kind comments. I agree that the leafing is a time saver. I don't know how you guys do it with the painting of the figurines! My eyesight is not great and my hands not too steady. The problem I did have with the gold leaf was that it is so thin that even my normal breathing would blow it away! So I have to wear a mask when I work with the stuff. Frank mrcc 1 Quote
Landlubber Mike Posted January 7, 2014 #40 Posted January 7, 2014 Very cool, thanks very much for sharing your technique! Looks fantastic, particularly against the red painted areas. Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: Hs129B-2 1/48 SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans)
fmodajr Posted January 7, 2014 Author #41 Posted January 7, 2014 Ulises, Nigel, and Mike, Thanks your for your kind impressions! When I was down in Charleston, South Carolina (for the NRG Meeting), I attended a lecture by Fred Hocker. He gave an amazing talk about some of the new findings they are still making about the ship. After the lecture, I was fortunate to be able to meet him and he saw some of the pictures of my model on my iPad. He commented that there now is evidence that the small triangular figurines above the gallery (see picture below) were actually further down in the openings in the middle of the galleries! Frank puckotred, WackoWolf and tasmanian 3 Quote
marktiedens Posted January 7, 2014 #42 Posted January 7, 2014 (edited) That`s very interesting.My kit had those small figures also but I didn`t think they looked right up high so I put them in the gallery openings instead.Looks like I guessed right! Mark Edited January 7, 2014 by marktiedens Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways
fmodajr Posted January 7, 2014 Author #43 Posted January 7, 2014 That`s very interesting.My kit had those small figures also but I didn`t think they looked right up high so I put them in the gallery openings instead.Looks like I guessed right! Mark Mark, I think you did guess right! I have a copy of the Wasa plans from the museum showing them roughly where I put them. Oh well! He (Hocker) also mentioned in his talk that the carpenters working on the ship were from different nations and that the starboard planking does not match the port and and the gunport openings on the port side don't line up with the starboard side! Frank Quote
marktiedens Posted January 7, 2014 #44 Posted January 7, 2014 Well I guess we modelers are not the only ones making mistakes. Quote current build - HMS Vanguard - Model Shipways
md1400cs Posted January 8, 2014 #45 Posted January 8, 2014 Mark, I think you did guess right! I have a copy of the Wasa plans from the museum showing them roughly where I put them. Oh well! He (Hocker) also mentioned in his talk that the carpenters working on the ship were from different nations and that the starboard planking does not match the port and and the gunport openings on the port side don't line up with the starboard side! Frank Frank, That is good news. I'm happy to be following in the original builders footsteps. I noticed a slight variation on each side of mine as the channels come to life. PS: Next week Fred Hocker is sending me pdf's of the eleven parts to the lower main mast, Ill be happy to share (:-) PS 2: Your flash drive will go out in Wednesday's mail. Michael Michael` Quote Michael Current build : Sovereign of the Seas 1/78 Sergal Under the table: Golden Hind - C Mamoli Oseberg - Billings 720 - Drakkar - Amati Completed: Santa Maria-Mantua -- Vasa-Corel - Santisima Trinidad cross section OcCre 1/90th Gallery : Santa Maria - Vasa -
demonborger Posted January 8, 2014 #46 Posted January 8, 2014 Wow Corel's gunports design is probably my favourite for simplicity and appearance, but adding those false gun carriages is a masterstroke! Quote Kits owned: Mamoli Royal Louis, Mamoli Friesland, Mamoli HMS Victory 1:90, Occre Santisima Trinidad, Constructo HMS Prince
fmodajr Posted January 8, 2014 Author #47 Posted January 8, 2014 Frank, That is good news. I'm happy to be following in the original builders footsteps. I noticed a slight variation on each side of mine as the channels come to life. PS: Next week Fred Hocker is sending me pdf's of the eleven parts to the lower main mast, Ill be happy to share (:-) PS 2: Your flash drive will go out in Wednesday's mail. Michael Michael` Michael, Too funny! I agree, when things don't line up, I can now say it was done on purpose Yes, Yes, I would love the pdf's of the lower main mast when you receive them! I am a few months away from starting the masts, but I definitely want to be prepared. Thanks for everything Michael, with all your help and your detailed log, my model is shaping up to be much better than I envisioned it just a few months ago. Thanks again, Frank Quote
fmodajr Posted January 8, 2014 Author #48 Posted January 8, 2014 Wow Corel's gunports design is probably my favourite for simplicity and appearance, but adding those false gun carriages is a masterstroke! Thanks Demonborger! The only thing that I don't like about model ship building is that I end up awake late a lot of nights trying to figure out in what order do I add things to the model. If I add item A to the model now, will I be able to get at item B later. (i.e. Building the false gun carriages early on, while not placing the guns until much later). Drives me nuts sometimes and I find myself overthinking things Frank Quote
Ulises Victoria Posted January 8, 2014 #49 Posted January 8, 2014 Thanks Demonborger! The only thing that I don't like about model ship building is that I end up awake late a lot of nights trying to figure out in what order do I add things to the model. If I add item A to the model now, will I be able to get at item B later. (i.e. Building the false gun carriages early on, while not placing the guns until much later). Drives me nuts sometimes and I find myself overthinking things Frank Hmmm...I thought this was normal!!! Quote There aren't but two options: do it FAST, or do it RIGHT. Current Project Build Log: Soleil Royal in 1/72. Kit by Artesania Latina. Last finished projects: Royal Ship Vasa 1628; French Vessel Royal Louis 1780. 1/90 Scale by Mamoli. 120 Cannons Future projects already in my stash: Panart: San Felipe 1/75; OcCre: Santísima Trinidad 1/90; Wish List: 1/64 Amati Victory, HMS Enterprise in 1/48 by CAF models. So much to build, so little time!
fmodajr Posted January 9, 2014 Author #50 Posted January 9, 2014 Continuing on! I used walnut for all the trim for my gratings, hatches, etc. Finished gratings I made a new bow stem beak from a solid piece of mahogany. The figurine is also gold leafed. Added supports underneath--made from walnut View from top DiKri, puckotred, WackoWolf and 5 others 8 Quote
fmodajr Posted January 14, 2014 Author #51 Posted January 14, 2014 (edited) Added some features that are not part of the Corel plans. Gunport near bow Gunport and Message Port near rear Gallery Windows Water Drainage holes I did not drill through into the top deck yet. I will wait until I have finished the side railings Edited July 22, 2014 by fmodajr Ulises Victoria, tasmanian, puckotred and 2 others 5 Quote
fmodajr Posted January 14, 2014 Author #52 Posted January 14, 2014 (edited) Added gold Leafed Figurines to bow area. I am now starting to work on the side railings and bow railing! I will continue to post as I progress! Thanks, Frank Edited July 22, 2014 by fmodajr puckotred, DiKri, Ulises Victoria and 2 others 5 Quote
md1400cs Posted January 15, 2014 #53 Posted January 15, 2014 Frank, Looking so good. Love your gold leafing, very nice personal touch to you Vasa. MIchael Quote Michael Current build : Sovereign of the Seas 1/78 Sergal Under the table: Golden Hind - C Mamoli Oseberg - Billings 720 - Drakkar - Amati Completed: Santa Maria-Mantua -- Vasa-Corel - Santisima Trinidad cross section OcCre 1/90th Gallery : Santa Maria - Vasa -
fmodajr Posted January 15, 2014 Author #54 Posted January 15, 2014 Looking so good. Love your gold leafing, very nice personal touch to you Vasa. MIchael Thanks Michael! Working on the railings these next few days. Tedious! Frank Quote
Ulises Victoria Posted January 15, 2014 #55 Posted January 15, 2014 Thanks Michael! Working on the railings these next few days. Tedious! Frank Very nice work, Frank.!!! If you think railings are tedious, wait till you have to tie the ratlines I'm at that stage right now. Quote There aren't but two options: do it FAST, or do it RIGHT. Current Project Build Log: Soleil Royal in 1/72. Kit by Artesania Latina. Last finished projects: Royal Ship Vasa 1628; French Vessel Royal Louis 1780. 1/90 Scale by Mamoli. 120 Cannons Future projects already in my stash: Panart: San Felipe 1/75; OcCre: Santísima Trinidad 1/90; Wish List: 1/64 Amati Victory, HMS Enterprise in 1/48 by CAF models. So much to build, so little time!
fmodajr Posted January 15, 2014 Author #56 Posted January 15, 2014 Very nice work, Frank.!!! If you think railings are tedious, wait till you have to tie the ratlines I'm at that stage right now. Ulises, I'm trying not to think that far ahead! Be prepared for many questions (by me) when I get to that point Thanks Frank Quote
JanV Posted January 15, 2014 #57 Posted January 15, 2014 It is very nice to see how we all make some modifications to the Corel kit but all results are nice and different. I hope the new book from the Vasa (VASA-II) concerning the rigging will be issued soon, so I can start and verify the rigging. Looking to your status of the build we are almost in the same stage of builing now Quote Jan V. current build: Vasa-1628 Corel / Battle Station Mantua/Panart, previous: Statenjacht / Cross section HMS Victory / diorama shipyard
fmodajr Posted January 16, 2014 Author #58 Posted January 16, 2014 It is very nice to see how we all make some modifications to the Corel kit but all results are nice and different.I hope the new book from the Vasa (VASA-II) concerning the rigging will be issued soon, so I can start and verify the rigging. Looking to your status of the build we are almost in the same stage of builing now Hi Jan, I went to the Seawatch Books Web site tonight http://www.seawatchbooks.com and they have a paragraph on upcoming books. They feel that the book will hopefully come out in June! I think this could work for me. I still have to finish the railings, kevels, guns, deck items, channels, and of course the longboat! I'm glad I will not be entering the rigging stage of the ship alone Thanks, Frank WackoWolf 1 Quote
JanV Posted January 16, 2014 #59 Posted January 16, 2014 I think we are with 4 people almost in the same stage including Matti and Michael with the completing phase of the ship and waiting for the rigging so we can help each other md1400cs 1 Quote Jan V. current build: Vasa-1628 Corel / Battle Station Mantua/Panart, previous: Statenjacht / Cross section HMS Victory / diorama shipyard
Ferit Posted January 20, 2014 #60 Posted January 20, 2014 (edited) I reply you through your request in Michael's (md1440cs) Log... You are welcome Frank... Your Wasa is really great, nice, sharp and smooth... I glued the ropes to the deck with this cement. It is transparent, gets dry about 10-15 minutes, lets me manipulate, does not change the color of the robe, does not concrete the robe as CA, let the robe be flexible and in case of necessity can be removed very easily after getting dry, doesn't spread any allergic vapor like CA... Ideal for rigging... There is more than enough... http://www.modelexpo-online.com/product.asp?ITEMNO=GLU105 Edited January 20, 2014 by AlphaUrsaeMinoris Quote Best Regards… Ferit KUTLU Under construction: Frigate Berlin (Brandenburg Navy) Hope: Frigate Wappen Von Hamburg (Brandenburg Navy)
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