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And the ever troublesome stem.

It needed adjustment in all of the scarf joints (marked with black circles) to overcome the gap at the top (blue recircle)

- the stem was longer than the bulkhead along its curve by approximately 5mm. It now fits perfectly along the curve of the bulkhead.

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Nice start there oldpaperone (name???). Your keel clamp setup looks good. Are those cam cleats along the edge? Neat!

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You need to remove all of that laser char before you glue them together.   That is important to get a good bond.  Once done....it will fit together well if you are careful.   Dont forget to darken the edges with a pencil.

 

Too many people dont remove the laser char and they wont get a good fit at all.  The laser does not produce a perfect right angle when cutting.  The the joints will be larger on one side than the other because of the slight angle the laser cuts at.   Once again this is important for all parts to make the edges a right angle and get a tight fit on both sides.

 

Enjoy the project and dont hesitate to ask me any questions.

 

Chuck

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A hearty welcome aboard.  We're building up quite a Confederacy fleet!

 

Enjoy the voyage.

Augie

 

Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64

 

Previous Builds :

 

US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery)

Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery)

Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988

Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976

Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956

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Hi all

 

Grant - the name is from my days of card modelling and these are cam cleats indeed.

Chuck - all laser char removed - still needed to remove 1.5mm from each scarph to shorten the stem to  mate with the curve of the bulkhead

Augie - thanks. I'm following your build for hints.

 

Chris

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Further progress:

 

1.The stem is glued to the bulkhead former

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2.Keel bolts - drill/refine with a push-pin/shade with pencil/fill with wood filler/sand/ finish with wipe on poly
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3.Getting ready for the frames and fillers
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4.Bow fillers
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5.Frame 8 being trued
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6.All the frames are in
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Next step - fairing the hull

 

 

 

 

 

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Everything looks nice and straight judging from that last photo.

Augie

 

Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64

 

Previous Builds :

 

US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery)

Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery)

Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988

Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976

Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956

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Yes, keeping it all square is the key.

I'm still puzzled at the stem dimensions - I had to modify it by at least 5mm (more than just removing the laser char ) so that the length along the curve was the same as the bulkhead former. Fairing of the hull has begun - any tips? I plan to do the fairing first and then do the sub gun deck platforms.

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Hi

 

Dont fair the hull fully at this point, maybe 80%. leave final fairing until you have all gunports/hull cutaway and stern faming in place

as you dont want to take it down too far before those pieces are there and fair them in as well.

 

ben

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Ben beat me to it on the fairing.  When you do get to the final fairing take your time.

 

Having a hard time visualizing your stem issue.  All I can say is if the fit is tight against the BF with the notch sitting in the right place you'll be fine.

Augie

 

Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64

 

Previous Builds :

 

US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery)

Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery)

Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988

Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976

Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956

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Progress

1.Bowfillers

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2.Stern - I decided to complete this before fairing the hull, but am I going to pay for this later?

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3.Lintels and sills going in

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4.Checking the alignment against the future window placement

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5.Fairing the hull on my fairing station

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6.Lower decks are going in - the pencil line for caulking

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Last Day of Summer here - could this mean more modelling time?

 

Current Project USF Confederacy

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Looking good.  You picked the right time of year and location for fairing !

Augie

 

Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64

 

Previous Builds :

 

US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery)

Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery)

Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988

Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976

Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956

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Whats a separating tab.....can you take a picture?  The box edges will be covered up.

 

Chuck

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I found an interesting quote in "The Naval History of the United States Volume 1 (of 2) by Willis J. Abbot"

 

"One slight disaster to the American cause alone remains to be mentioned. The "Confederacy," a thirty-two-gun frigate built in 1778, was captured by the enemy in 1781. She was an unlucky ship, having been totally dismasted on her first cruise, and captured by an overwhelming force on her second."

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Hi Chris. Nice work so far. :) 

 

Yes those "tabs" that keep the frames in alignment will be covered by the hull planking.

 

 

Keep up the good work!

Rusty

"So Long For Now" B) 

 

Current Builds: Speedwell

 

 

Completed Build Logs:  HMS Winchelsea 1/48   Duchess of Kingston USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross SectionCutter CheerfulQueen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat

 

Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout

 

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Thanks for the supportive comments.

I glued in the frames and faired these to the hull - this removed the laser char.

Thanks for the watchful eye, Ben. Its good to know I have masters watching over my progress.

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The frames were then treated with wipe on poly (with  a DASH of oak stain).

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Next the stern ports - aligning the sills.

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Then the lintels and mullions

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And then the whole frame in place and faired.

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Check out the photos on Ben and Rusty's logs.  Notice that all of the outer hull planks will need to contact the rudder post so you need to leave room.  Similarly, the fillers will support the planks under the counter so you need a little room.  I found it was something you have to play with.

 

Keep in mind that the total thickness of the planking from both sides, combined with the thickness of the bulkhead former, will need to be same as that of the finished rudder at the leading edge of the rudder.

Augie

 

Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64

 

Previous Builds :

 

US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery)

Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery)

Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988

Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976

Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956

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Augies correct in that it takes a little playing with those fillers, take your time fairing them in using a piece of planking material to check the distances that you need to achieve.

I think there are some decent pics on my log of this and also what to avoid in that area.

If you are really stuck PM Chuck as he may have some other pictures from his prototype build that are better than mine, Rusty may have some input here too.

 

Ben

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