HMS Victory by clearway - Billing Boats - 1/75

[Emmet]

Sorry, I did realize it was for Matthew after the fact but I still mean it that way.  As for getting attention it is not happening these days.

and yes I am thinking all the way through many things.  While beginning work on the bow fillers I am trying to figure out how all the parts fit together around the breakhead bulkhead.  The bridge timbers are mystifying me along with the shape of the Keel in that area.  I see where the bowsprit will be tied off through the Breakhead piece but cannot, from the drawings, see how the bridge timbers fit in.  I was just now looking for a log that might give me a clue. I chucked the timbers in there for clarity-duh.

[clearway]

hmmm not good times for anyone Emmeti have heard similar stories from people im u.k.

 

om the victory bow i see no stepped cut outs in the beak which is nice of them!  the gratings actually curve upwards as they leave the bow deck- the pieces for forming the supports should be upright and at 90 degrees ton the keel there should be a side elevation in the plans but i have never built a kit from them guys so not sure which way they go around it. found this pic in an old modelling book.

 

take care and hope things get better for you soon.

 

Keith

[Emmet]

That helps. The seats of ease are not shown in my diagram.  I assume that the sails are tied off to the knightheads.  I wonder if the bowsprit is tied off to the seats of ease.   a couple of these bridge timbers (or perhaps all) I have seem to be for that purpose.  Thanks for the input. It will come together.

[clearway]

Hi Emmet- the seats of ease are a polite way of saying toilets- long drop non flushing open air type-  the quarter galleries on the stern are for the ranking officers toilets and the midshipmans toilet is in the semi circular bulkhead in the bow. the gammoning for the bowsprit goes through an elongated hole you see in the bolster marked B in the diagram, and the sails tie of to the timberheads on the f'cstle.

 

Keith

[Emmet]

Hahaha-So my ship has no place to go-I guess over the side.

Thanks for the good info.  It is clear that this ship leads to a great deal of learning.

[clearway]

thanks for views likes and comments everyone- back in the shipyard and work progressing slowly on the foreyard,

 

got the strops on the jeer blocks finished

also got the Admirals lantern in place behind the main top

while looking at the bow area realised i hadn't properly rigged the fore t'gallant stays-

long tackle block seized

and rigged to hooked block on knighthead

- tail end not permanently glued yet.

 

take care all

 

Keith

 

[Emmet]

The pictures ar great and help me understand many things.  Don't the jeers go somewhere near the parells?  Great work.

[clearway]

TY and Yes Emmet the jeers on the yard are towards the middle and rig to the three way blocks stropped to the masthead- they along with the sling take the weight of the yard - see earlier posts for rigging main yard- and are near the trusses,

 

Keith

[Jeff-E]

Nice progress Keith, the lantern looks fantastic.

[Emmet]

Yes I was looking at that-terminology is important.

I meant to say the bow area looks neat-what no easy seats?

[clearway]

Ty Jeff- yep as already mentioned and shown earlier in log the billings supplied one was humungous! Pssst Emmet the seats of ease are there just below and infront of the block on the knighthead😉- hope they didn't hit a big wave when mid job😱🤢

 

Keith

[clearway]

thanks for looking in everyone- back in the shipyard with victory and it's deja vu time-got the long tackles for the topping lift and tops'l sheet on the foreyard and the trusses in place - next job the jeer blocks on the foreyard and the stuns'l boom irons on the topyard.

take care all

 

Keith

[clearway]

Thanks for the views and likes everyone- fore yard completed (bar the stuns'l booms)and bent to the yard - though only held by the sling at the moment. Also got the fore topyard painted and varnished.

take care all.

 

Keith

[Matthew Kassebaum]

Beautiful beautiful work Keith. Im still on my second planking and she capsized off the table so Im making her sea worthy as well😬. I enjoy following your build. As always...a pleasure.

[clearway]

Ty Matthew- i nearly had a catastrophic fail a few months ago - still don't know how she didn't dismasted- hope she didn't get too bashed.😱

 

Keith

[clearway]

thanks for looking in and comments everyone- the foreyard truss pendants have been rigged and the jeers will follow soon- can't believe this is nearly the end of the yards to rig on the masts!

 

take care all

 

Keith

[Keith S]

I'm really hoping all this salty terminology will be explained once I get my copy of James Lee's book!

 

[clearway]

lol Keith- the trusses are what hold the yard to the mast and the pendants are the block assemblies that hold it to the deck and allow adjustment. The jeers are the blocks on top of the yard and take the weight along with the sling- you will have to do a slightly altered version of this on your terror as occre cut corners surprise surprise😉

 

Keith

[Keith S]

38 minutes ago, clearway said:

lol Keith- the trusses are what hold the yard to the mast and the pendants are the block assemblies that hold it to the deck and allow adjustment. The jeers are the blocks on top of the yard and take the weight along with the sling- you will have to do a slightly altered version of this on your terror as occre cut corners surprise surprise😉

 

Keith

 

I wish we were neighbours, so we could just talk about ships over the garden wall. 
 

Surprise, no surprise. I'm sure Occre just stuck a simplified and generic barque rig on her. I have a feeling the extent of their "research" for this model was a superficial glance at Matthew Betts' blog... and since Matthew hasn't masted or rigged his model yet...

 

Oh well. The research and discussion is proving to be the most rewarding part of building this model.

[clearway]

it would make life easier if we lived closer keith i agree lol- the masting and rigging book will explain a lot and if in doubt ask and i will advise as best i can- occre did get some parts kind of right but with this billings victory the trusses wern't actually in the instructions and they put jeers on the mizzen which she didn't have so it's a common problem- don't know if i'm breaking copyright but found a still from the terror series showing the boat skids and one of those davits- note square davit post with round derrick coming off it- think some sort of gooseneck fitting would have been used. i will post it on my terror build if you are interested

 

Keith

[clearway]

ty for looking in - as always it is appreciated. little more progress with the jeers now rigged on the fore yard (more salty talk for keith s😉)!

 

take care everyone

 

Keith

[clearway]

and we move on with the fore yard lifts rigged- not sure whether to run the rope straight to the kevel or rig a block and tackle on the channel then to the kevel🤔

 

take care all

 

Keith

[Jeff-E]

Coming along nicely Keith, don't know if this will help but according to Longridge the fore yard lifts reeve through a sheave in the kevel and then belay to it.

[clearway]

thanks Jeff - i have the longridge book too but them guys can assume you know the basic details and don't go into too much detail as to actual belaying- i decided to just run it through the Kevel in the end but a block and tackle then into the kevel would have meant lighter work for the crew = suppose most of the weight is taken by the slings and jeers though.

 

Keith

[clearway]

work progresses with the yards- i have seen a few people asking how you attach the yards to the masts- easy use the rigging designed for the task- if you glue or nail the yard in place it could cause severe damage if accidentally caught and trust me i have been playing knock the yard arms with this one😵.

 

first shot shows one of the tyes rigged from the masthead through the block on the yard then through block attached to masthead before heading down to the kevel- process repeated in reverse as well to other side.

shot of foremast- next job will be to rig the parralls then yard will be hoisted to final position.

take care all

 

Keith

[Jeff-E]

On 6/9/2020 at 5:11 PM, clearway said:

suppose most of the weight is taken by the slings and jeers though.

Yes and the foreyard did not have a great distance to travel when they were setting sails.

[Emmet]

Very interested in the discussion about the rigging. It gets me looking up the terms and looking harder at the pictures. Thanks for the detail

[clearway]

still working away on my winter messy modelling workshop so not much happening in shipyard though did manage to get the fore tops'l yard tyes rigged to the kevels on fore deck.

 

 

next job will be the tops'l sheets.

 

take care all

 

Keith

[clearway]

back in the shipyard due to bad weather- this new set-up with the build logs is taking some getting used to- getting to like it though🤨

rigged the fore topyard sheets and clewlines , but not belayed yet.

take care all

 

Keith

[clearway]

back in the shipyard due to bad weather again- got the clewlines and lifts belayed for the fore topyard then can start on the fore t'gallant.

 

 

take care all- just hope the rain remembers to stop - cumbria is the wettest area in england- suppose thats why its called the lake district and not the dried up riverbed district!

 

Keith