Mirabell61 Posted May 28, 2014 Share #31 Posted May 28, 2014 Hi Tom, I wish you a successful keellaying in the next days, the ship on the plan Looks great... Nils cpt. Tom 1 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbot Posted May 28, 2014 Share #32 Posted May 28, 2014 It looks like you are in for some interesting times Tom. Remember have fun and enjoy the challenge. David B cpt. Tom 1 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mij Posted May 28, 2014 Share #33 Posted May 28, 2014 Hi Tom I`ll be watching your build with great intrest. Good luck, mij cpt. Tom 1 Quote xebec 1:60 scale, scratch build Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpt. Tom Posted May 29, 2014 Author Share #34 Posted May 29, 2014 Thank you Guys. Today I have to go to work (Late shift) but then I have 4 days off and then I start with the keel :) and I have got my scroll saw today jiiiiiiippieh See you soon on weekend....!! Mirabell61 and mtaylor 2 Quote With best regards Tom Current Kit Build Log The Sovereign of the Seas 1/84 commissioning HMS Supply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpt. Tom Posted May 31, 2014 Author Share #35 Posted May 31, 2014 (edited) Sooooooo, I still had something to do on the Helling but now it is finished The first keel part is also ready which was not very easy, so the keel-laying was on 05/30/14 It's different when you take finished components from a box or if you do everything yourself, it takes time :) but it´s funny So, let's see what else I get done today, all components from the keel are already cut out and they still need to be sanded Here are the pics :) Edited May 31, 2014 by cpt. Tom Jeronimo, catopower, HB17 and 3 others 6 Quote With best regards Tom Current Kit Build Log The Sovereign of the Seas 1/84 commissioning HMS Supply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nenseth Posted May 31, 2014 Share #36 Posted May 31, 2014 (edited) I'm waiting on this monograph myself so I'll be following this log with interest Edited May 31, 2014 by Nenseth HB17 1 Quote -Hans Christian Current build -La Belle 1684 (Scracth build) -Oseberg (Billing Boats) (On hold) -Falmouth (Euromodel) (On hold) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodrat Posted May 31, 2014 Share #37 Posted May 31, 2014 Tom, are you making clamps for keel, sternpost and stempost? Dick Quote Current build: Le Gros Ventre 1:48 POF http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/564-le-gros-ventre-by-woodrat-scale-1-48-pof-1767-french-exploration-vessel/ Past builds: Mycenaean War Galley by Woodrat - 1:48 - Shell first Plank on Frame:https://modelshipworld.com/topic/33384-mycenaean-war-galley-by-woodrat-148-shell-first-plank-on-frame Venetian round ship 14th century by Woodrat fully framed - 1:40 scale Completed https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/17991-venetian-round-ship-14th-century-by-woodrat-fully-framed-140-scale Venetian Carrack or Cocha 1/64 by woodrat https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4915-venetian-carrack-or-cocha-164-by-woodrat completed United States Frigate Essex 1:64 POF http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4496-usf-essex-by-woodrat-scale-1-64-fully-framed-from-takakjian-plans/ - completed Yenikapi12 by Woodrat - 1/16 scale - a small Byzantine merchant vessel of the 9th century https://modelshipworld.com/topic/23815-yenikapi12-by-woodrat-116-scale-a-small-byzantine-merchant-vessel-of-the-9th-century-finished/ The Incredible Hulc by Woodrat - an experimental reconstruction of a mediaeval transport https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25641-the-elusive-hulc-by-woodrat-finished-a-speculative-reconstruction-of-a-mediaeval-merchantman-132-plank-on-frame/ Location: Perth, Western Australia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpt. Tom Posted May 31, 2014 Author Share #38 Posted May 31, 2014 You're very welcome Hans Christian Hello Dick, Tom, are you making clamps for keel, sternpost and stempost? what do you mean with "clamps". The german word for "clamps" is "Klammer" ???????? Maybe you mean wood ledges.....I glue wooden strips next to the keel and I cut for the stern and the bow parts small incisions into the helling so that nothing can slip away. I hope this is that what you mean :) mtaylor 1 Quote With best regards Tom Current Kit Build Log The Sovereign of the Seas 1/84 commissioning HMS Supply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodrat Posted May 31, 2014 Share #39 Posted May 31, 2014 (edited) Tom, I highly recommend that you construct frames to rigidly hold the stem and stern posts. also take care that the keel is held by wood planks which go almost up to the rabbet line of the keel. here are some photos of the ones I made stempost clamp sternpost clamp. Note the allen key in the top of the clamp to tighten the bolt thereby holding the sternpost down. This will reduce the risk of twisting of the hull over time :) Dick Edited May 31, 2014 by woodrat Quote Current build: Le Gros Ventre 1:48 POF http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/564-le-gros-ventre-by-woodrat-scale-1-48-pof-1767-french-exploration-vessel/ Past builds: Mycenaean War Galley by Woodrat - 1:48 - Shell first Plank on Frame:https://modelshipworld.com/topic/33384-mycenaean-war-galley-by-woodrat-148-shell-first-plank-on-frame Venetian round ship 14th century by Woodrat fully framed - 1:40 scale Completed https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/17991-venetian-round-ship-14th-century-by-woodrat-fully-framed-140-scale Venetian Carrack or Cocha 1/64 by woodrat https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4915-venetian-carrack-or-cocha-164-by-woodrat completed United States Frigate Essex 1:64 POF http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4496-usf-essex-by-woodrat-scale-1-64-fully-framed-from-takakjian-plans/ - completed Yenikapi12 by Woodrat - 1/16 scale - a small Byzantine merchant vessel of the 9th century https://modelshipworld.com/topic/23815-yenikapi12-by-woodrat-116-scale-a-small-byzantine-merchant-vessel-of-the-9th-century-finished/ The Incredible Hulc by Woodrat - an experimental reconstruction of a mediaeval transport https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25641-the-elusive-hulc-by-woodrat-finished-a-speculative-reconstruction-of-a-mediaeval-merchantman-132-plank-on-frame/ Location: Perth, Western Australia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntonyUK Posted May 31, 2014 Share #40 Posted May 31, 2014 Hi Tom. Yet another build Will be looking in to watch your progress and follow the growth of the model fron keel to deck and beyond. Best wishes Antony. Jeronimo 1 Quote Best advice ever given to me."If you don't know ..Just ask. Completed Mayflower Completed Fun build Tail boat Tailboat Completed Build Chinese Junk Chinese Pirate Junk Completed scratch built Korean Turtle ship 1/32 Turtle ship Completed Santa Lucia Sicilian Cargo Boat 1/30 scale Santa Lucia On hold. Bounty Occre 1/45 Completed HMS Victory by DeAgostini modelspace. DeAgostini Victory Cross Section Completed H.M.S. Victory X section by Coral. HMS Victory cross section Completed The Black Pearl fun build Black Queen Completed A large scale Victory cross section 1/36 Victory Cross Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpt. Tom Posted June 1, 2014 Author Share #41 Posted June 1, 2014 Thank you Dick, I think I'll do it the same way as you did.....looks very good And here is another chair for Antony and a warm welcome to you and greetings to England. Some more progress on the gabare, some components I had to do twice, but it was fun :) I have to learn handle the milling machine and the handling of the carving knives. But all is difficult at the beginning Here some pics: mtaylor, AntonyUK, Jeronimo and 2 others 5 Quote With best regards Tom Current Kit Build Log The Sovereign of the Seas 1/84 commissioning HMS Supply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nenseth Posted June 1, 2014 Share #42 Posted June 1, 2014 Found this website for Le Gros Ventre Some great pdf´s on how to scratch build this fine ship Italien site, but pdf´s in english Quote -Hans Christian Current build -La Belle 1684 (Scracth build) -Oseberg (Billing Boats) (On hold) -Falmouth (Euromodel) (On hold) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpt. Tom Posted June 2, 2014 Author Share #43 Posted June 2, 2014 Thank you Hans-Christian, i know this page and I`ve downloaded the pdf files already. Quote With best regards Tom Current Kit Build Log The Sovereign of the Seas 1/84 commissioning HMS Supply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpt. Tom Posted June 2, 2014 Author Share #44 Posted June 2, 2014 A little progress on the gabare Here you can see the Sternpost, false Sternpost, inner Sternpost, Sternpost knee and a filling piece under the Sternpost knee and last but not least the keel. The false keel is not on the picture but it is ready build then I glued everything and here on the helling mtaylor, Landlubber Mike, aykutansin and 6 others 9 Quote With best regards Tom Current Kit Build Log The Sovereign of the Seas 1/84 commissioning HMS Supply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbot Posted June 2, 2014 Share #45 Posted June 2, 2014 Very clean. What kind of glue are you using? David B Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpt. Tom Posted June 2, 2014 Author Share #46 Posted June 2, 2014 Hi David, I use normal wood glue from "Clou" and thank you very much When all the parts are glued together and the glue is still wet, I loop everything so that all gaps be filled with wood glue and sanding dust. I've had good experiences to do it this way 42rocker 1 Quote With best regards Tom Current Kit Build Log The Sovereign of the Seas 1/84 commissioning HMS Supply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpt. Tom Posted June 3, 2014 Author Share #47 Posted June 3, 2014 Hello I´m back with a question and I hope Dick ore someone else can help me. I found this part on Plan 4 where the components from the keel and the sternpost are shown, it is the sternpost knee. I have no idea what i have to do with this piece, please can someone help me ????? Here is the picture from the problem part :) Thank you already for your effort.....!!! Elmer Cornish and Jeronimo 2 Quote With best regards Tom Current Kit Build Log The Sovereign of the Seas 1/84 commissioning HMS Supply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42rocker Posted June 3, 2014 Share #48 Posted June 3, 2014 1st thought and it might be wrong but I think that it is an end view of the part of the right showing size and shape. Note how high it is and the part to the right. Later Tim cpt. Tom and mtaylor 2 Quote Current Build -- Finishing a 1:1 House that I've been building for a while Current Build -- Triton Cross Section Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted June 3, 2014 Share #49 Posted June 3, 2014 I think Tim nailed it. Looks like the view of the keel, false keel, and sternpost as seen from the stern. 42rocker 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodrat Posted June 4, 2014 Share #50 Posted June 4, 2014 (edited) Tom, the drawing shows the sternpost knee and filler from aft. On top is a plan view. This shows the progressive narrowing of the knee as you go from fore to aft towards the rabbet in order to accommodate the run of planking. I hope this helps,. Dick Edited June 4, 2014 by woodrat dgbot, Elmer Cornish, hexnut and 4 others 7 Quote Current build: Le Gros Ventre 1:48 POF http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/564-le-gros-ventre-by-woodrat-scale-1-48-pof-1767-french-exploration-vessel/ Past builds: Mycenaean War Galley by Woodrat - 1:48 - Shell first Plank on Frame:https://modelshipworld.com/topic/33384-mycenaean-war-galley-by-woodrat-148-shell-first-plank-on-frame Venetian round ship 14th century by Woodrat fully framed - 1:40 scale Completed https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/17991-venetian-round-ship-14th-century-by-woodrat-fully-framed-140-scale Venetian Carrack or Cocha 1/64 by woodrat https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4915-venetian-carrack-or-cocha-164-by-woodrat completed United States Frigate Essex 1:64 POF http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4496-usf-essex-by-woodrat-scale-1-64-fully-framed-from-takakjian-plans/ - completed Yenikapi12 by Woodrat - 1/16 scale - a small Byzantine merchant vessel of the 9th century https://modelshipworld.com/topic/23815-yenikapi12-by-woodrat-116-scale-a-small-byzantine-merchant-vessel-of-the-9th-century-finished/ The Incredible Hulc by Woodrat - an experimental reconstruction of a mediaeval transport https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25641-the-elusive-hulc-by-woodrat-finished-a-speculative-reconstruction-of-a-mediaeval-merchantman-132-plank-on-frame/ Location: Perth, Western Australia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbot Posted June 4, 2014 Share #51 Posted June 4, 2014 My only problem with this print is actually doing the narrowing. My sense of depth has never been good so on an average I take off a little too much and have to start over. The person who can figure out how to do this easly and market it would probably be called a hero. David B cpt. Tom 1 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nenseth Posted June 4, 2014 Share #52 Posted June 4, 2014 Got my monograph in the mail today Will read and study yours and Dick´s progress with even more interest now HB17 1 Quote -Hans Christian Current build -La Belle 1684 (Scracth build) -Oseberg (Billing Boats) (On hold) -Falmouth (Euromodel) (On hold) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpt. Tom Posted June 4, 2014 Author Share #53 Posted June 4, 2014 First I want to say thank you for your comments and your help Dick, so I need to rejuvenate the false sternpost, the sternpost and the knee, is that right? ore only the knee, I have already glued everything together.......... now I have a problem Quote With best regards Tom Current Kit Build Log The Sovereign of the Seas 1/84 commissioning HMS Supply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpt. Tom Posted June 4, 2014 Author Share #54 Posted June 4, 2014 Got my monograph in the mail today Will read and study yours and Dick´s progress with even more interest now That's great and then we'll soon be three who build this ship , right?? Quote With best regards Tom Current Kit Build Log The Sovereign of the Seas 1/84 commissioning HMS Supply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeronimo Posted June 4, 2014 Share #55 Posted June 4, 2014 Hello Tom. Problem? Regards Karl mtaylor, Elmer Cornish, HB17 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpt. Tom Posted June 4, 2014 Author Share #56 Posted June 4, 2014 Absolute coooool Karl, I love your work and if I only have a little bit of it I'd be happy Jeronimo 1 Quote With best regards Tom Current Kit Build Log The Sovereign of the Seas 1/84 commissioning HMS Supply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodrat Posted June 5, 2014 Share #57 Posted June 5, 2014 (edited) First I want to say thank you for your comments and your help Dick, so I need to rejuvenate the false sternpost, the sternpost and the knee, is that right? ore only the knee, I have already glued everything together.......... now I have a problem nil desperandum, Tom. No need to remake the knee. Much as Karl has shown, after you have completed and fitted the transom timbers, fashion piece and last 2 frames, simply fit some timbers below the lowest transom beam and shape them in situ with your friendly Dremel drum sander. Dick Another point. Please note there is a step at a slightly lower level for the step of the forward half of the full frame. It also has a hole for a dowel. You do not appear to have done this. Edited June 5, 2014 by woodrat Elmer Cornish, mtaylor, Jeronimo and 1 other 4 Quote Current build: Le Gros Ventre 1:48 POF http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/564-le-gros-ventre-by-woodrat-scale-1-48-pof-1767-french-exploration-vessel/ Past builds: Mycenaean War Galley by Woodrat - 1:48 - Shell first Plank on Frame:https://modelshipworld.com/topic/33384-mycenaean-war-galley-by-woodrat-148-shell-first-plank-on-frame Venetian round ship 14th century by Woodrat fully framed - 1:40 scale Completed https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/17991-venetian-round-ship-14th-century-by-woodrat-fully-framed-140-scale Venetian Carrack or Cocha 1/64 by woodrat https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4915-venetian-carrack-or-cocha-164-by-woodrat completed United States Frigate Essex 1:64 POF http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4496-usf-essex-by-woodrat-scale-1-64-fully-framed-from-takakjian-plans/ - completed Yenikapi12 by Woodrat - 1/16 scale - a small Byzantine merchant vessel of the 9th century https://modelshipworld.com/topic/23815-yenikapi12-by-woodrat-116-scale-a-small-byzantine-merchant-vessel-of-the-9th-century-finished/ The Incredible Hulc by Woodrat - an experimental reconstruction of a mediaeval transport https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25641-the-elusive-hulc-by-woodrat-finished-a-speculative-reconstruction-of-a-mediaeval-merchantman-132-plank-on-frame/ Location: Perth, Western Australia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpt. Tom Posted June 5, 2014 Author Share #58 Posted June 5, 2014 (edited) nil desperandum, Tom. No need to remake the knee. Much as Karl has shown, after you have completed and fitted the transom timbers, fashion piece and last 2 frames, simply fit some timbers below the lowest transom beam and shape them in situ with your friendly Dremel drum sander. Dick Thank you Dick, sounds good to me and this is what i try to do. Another point. Please note there is a step at a slightly lower level for the step of the forward half of the full frame. It also has a hole for a dowel. You do not appear to have done this. I did finish it today and now I make the frames of the stern I need to learn to work more slowly, otherwise I forget some steps or make mistakes Edited June 5, 2014 by cpt. Tom mtaylor 1 Quote With best regards Tom Current Kit Build Log The Sovereign of the Seas 1/84 commissioning HMS Supply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpt. Tom Posted June 6, 2014 Author Share #59 Posted June 6, 2014 Hi Dick, I know I nerve sometimes but I couldn't find this parts on the picture below. Thank you for your help again Elmer Cornish 1 Quote With best regards Tom Current Kit Build Log The Sovereign of the Seas 1/84 commissioning HMS Supply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodrat Posted June 6, 2014 Share #60 Posted June 6, 2014 you have to do it yourself. Make the pieces oversize and Dremel them to shape. Dick Quote Current build: Le Gros Ventre 1:48 POF http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/564-le-gros-ventre-by-woodrat-scale-1-48-pof-1767-french-exploration-vessel/ Past builds: Mycenaean War Galley by Woodrat - 1:48 - Shell first Plank on Frame:https://modelshipworld.com/topic/33384-mycenaean-war-galley-by-woodrat-148-shell-first-plank-on-frame Venetian round ship 14th century by Woodrat fully framed - 1:40 scale Completed https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/17991-venetian-round-ship-14th-century-by-woodrat-fully-framed-140-scale Venetian Carrack or Cocha 1/64 by woodrat https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4915-venetian-carrack-or-cocha-164-by-woodrat completed United States Frigate Essex 1:64 POF http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/4496-usf-essex-by-woodrat-scale-1-64-fully-framed-from-takakjian-plans/ - completed Yenikapi12 by Woodrat - 1/16 scale - a small Byzantine merchant vessel of the 9th century https://modelshipworld.com/topic/23815-yenikapi12-by-woodrat-116-scale-a-small-byzantine-merchant-vessel-of-the-9th-century-finished/ The Incredible Hulc by Woodrat - an experimental reconstruction of a mediaeval transport https://modelshipworld.com/topic/25641-the-elusive-hulc-by-woodrat-finished-a-speculative-reconstruction-of-a-mediaeval-merchantman-132-plank-on-frame/ Location: Perth, Western Australia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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