p_balag Posted March 4, 2014 #91 Posted March 4, 2014 First wooden build? WOW Very impressive work my friend. How do you take on such a project as a first? I wouldn't have the nerve. I guess you just do it. +1 Hi Richard Amazing for a first wooden build... I am sure to learn a lot from your build... I will follow it very closely! Cheers Bala Quote
kscadman Posted March 9, 2014 Author #92 Posted March 9, 2014 Augie & Bala, thank you for the comments. The stern is progressing. I've managed to get the stern guns made and installed. I decided to add the train tackle to the guns. I'm not sure if its appropriate based on how close it is to the tiller rigging but I like the end result. Guess I'll find out soon enough when I finish the tiller. Richard Charley54, Aussie048, fnkershner and 8 others 11 Quote Current Build - U.S. Syren 2nd Build - HMS Bounty Launch When organizing your thoughts, never use the Dewey Decimal system.
augie Posted March 9, 2014 #93 Posted March 9, 2014 I think the tiller rigging will pass over it nicely. Looking really sharp! Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956
rtropp Posted March 9, 2014 #94 Posted March 9, 2014 Richard, Darn nice. I had to stop my build for the duration of a contract I took. It has me traveling to Houston weekly so not much time to get back into the groove. But, looking at your photos makes all the more eager to get back to it. Richard T Quote RichardMember: The Nautical Research Guild Atlanta Model Shipwrights Current build: Syren
Gahm Posted March 10, 2014 #95 Posted March 10, 2014 This looks great, Richard! Very nicely done! Thomas Quote Current Built: Model Shipways Syren (US Brig 1803) Last Built: Anfora (kit bashed) Ictineo II (1st steam powered submarine 1864)
scott larkins Posted March 11, 2014 #96 Posted March 11, 2014 Man, I'd hate to be stearing the ship when those cannons go off. Not a good place to be when tons of hot metal come rolling back from the recoil. Quote
Chuck Posted March 11, 2014 #97 Posted March 11, 2014 Looking really good....well done. Quote Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY
kscadman Posted March 15, 2014 Author #98 Posted March 15, 2014 To all thank you for the compliments. Am celebrating 2 years of work on here this month and I'm realizing how tedious the small bits can be, but I do like the results when finished. Augie - you were right, the tiller rigging passes over it nicely. Richard - I know how projects can keep a person away but I hope to see updates on your Syren - she's coming along great! Thomas - Thanks as always! Scott - I see your point, but I'd be more worried about having the tiller hitting me while manning the cannons if the ship went hard to port or starboard. Chuck - Thank you - coming from the master I'm feeling good about my progress. I've completed the steerage and tiller rigging and I'm currently doing the prep work (sanding, staining, etc.) for the fife rail, bitts & stack. Also I'm still looking for a smaller bell for the binnacle. Richard fatih79, mij, fnkershner and 5 others 8 Quote Current Build - U.S. Syren 2nd Build - HMS Bounty Launch When organizing your thoughts, never use the Dewey Decimal system.
Gahm Posted March 16, 2014 #99 Posted March 16, 2014 The steerage and tiller rigging turned out great! I assume you used the wheel provided in the kit? What paint did you use to simulate wood? I really like the end result! Thomas Quote Current Built: Model Shipways Syren (US Brig 1803) Last Built: Anfora (kit bashed) Ictineo II (1st steam powered submarine 1864)
kscadman Posted March 16, 2014 Author #100 Posted March 16, 2014 I originally wasn't going the use the kit provided wheel and ordered a wheel from model expo. That wheel turned out to be too wide. I used the Humbrol "sand matte" its number is matt 63. Quote Current Build - U.S. Syren 2nd Build - HMS Bounty Launch When organizing your thoughts, never use the Dewey Decimal system.
Gahm Posted March 17, 2014 #101 Posted March 17, 2014 Thank you, Richard. I will try this once I am getting to the steering wheel. Thomas Quote Current Built: Model Shipways Syren (US Brig 1803) Last Built: Anfora (kit bashed) Ictineo II (1st steam powered submarine 1864)
scott larkins Posted March 24, 2014 #102 Posted March 24, 2014 Have a question on the steering rigging. How would the crew had fired those cannons and not have them kick back into the steering rigging? Not questioning the builders skills. Just wondering in a real world application who thought of that idea. Quote
augie Posted March 24, 2014 #103 Posted March 24, 2014 On a ship the size of Syren things could be tight. You may notice that the binnacle is lashed to the deck and could be removed for action. Also, the steering gear could be easily disconnected so that only the tiller remained to steer thereby eliminating that steering gear to the ship's wheel. Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956
CPT_D Posted March 28, 2014 #104 Posted March 28, 2014 Very nice build. Seeing what you have done on your first build has motivated me to try the same, so I ordered my Syren tonight (they are back ordered but I ordered it non the less). I only hope that my Syren comes out even close to the quality and level of detail that your has. Quote I do what the voices in my wife's head tell me to do.
kscadman Posted April 5, 2014 Author #105 Posted April 5, 2014 Augie, thank you for the information. I was wondering how that would work under fire. CPt_D thanks for the comments and I hope you get your Syren soon! Its a joy to build this kit. I credit all the members on this site for their help in my success so far. The comments, tips & tricks, etc. have been invaluable. Just start a build log once you begin and you'll do fine. So far I've been able to complete the most of the bitts & pump. On the pump I started out making everything out of wood and paper but I just couldn't get it right so after a bit of frustration I turned to brass. The local hobby store had 1/8" & 1/16" brass tubing as well as 3/32" square tubing which worked out well.I also went ahead and made the galley stack out of the brass tubing. I wasn't able to get the handles exactly on center but I'm happy with the result. Richard fatih79, Chuck, Dubz and 6 others 9 Quote Current Build - U.S. Syren 2nd Build - HMS Bounty Launch When organizing your thoughts, never use the Dewey Decimal system.
Landlubber Mike Posted April 5, 2014 #106 Posted April 5, 2014 Very nice build! I just completed my first build, and I wish it came out half as nice as yours! Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: Hs129B-2 1/48 SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans)
augie Posted April 5, 2014 #107 Posted April 5, 2014 Nice work, mate! Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956
Papa Posted April 5, 2014 #108 Posted April 5, 2014 Hi everyone, I finally have a chance to work on my Syren. I've completed putting the figurehead on which was an adventure in itself.I ended up breaking the lower cheeks off while fitting the figurehead. Also I've been able to get the swivel brackets, pinrails and cleats installed. Now I'm working on my carronades. Two are done and fitted. Very nice model. I like the keel jig very much. Your design or a commercial purchase? Ron Gove Quote
kscadman Posted April 5, 2014 Author #109 Posted April 5, 2014 Hi Ron and thanks. The keel jig is the Fair a frame sold by Model Expo. (some assembly required) It works really well as a holding device. Quote Current Build - U.S. Syren 2nd Build - HMS Bounty Launch When organizing your thoughts, never use the Dewey Decimal system.
Charley54 Posted April 6, 2014 #110 Posted April 6, 2014 Outstanding idea using the brass. I think I saw some at Hobby Lobby. I will file this one away for future reference. Thanks Richard Charley Quote Current Build - US Brig Syren
Gahm Posted April 7, 2014 #111 Posted April 7, 2014 Great progress, and very well done! Your Syren is really a beauty! Thomas Quote Current Built: Model Shipways Syren (US Brig 1803) Last Built: Anfora (kit bashed) Ictineo II (1st steam powered submarine 1864)
kscadman Posted May 9, 2014 Author #112 Posted May 9, 2014 Charley, Augie, Mike, Thomas & Dirk thank you for the comments. I've finished chapter 13 and now its on to chapter 14. As I was re-reading the chapter I realized I'd better think about building my base before I get to a point where I'd be breaking off pieces installing her in her permanent stand. So I bought a piece of solid oak at Home Depot and cut a 30 degree miter on all 4 sides then I sanded it smooth and added several coats of matte polyurethane The bitts went well but I had alot of trouble when it came to making the fife rail. Even though the railing is in 2 pieces and cut cross grain I still had trouble drilling the holes wide enough for the belaying pins. It kept wanting to crack and break. I spent alot of time re-gluing tiny pieces back together that the drill broke off. The basswood dowel supplied for the legs was a disaster. So I ended up buying a dowel made from birch and that worked well. I turned the legs on my watchmakers lathe which made the cutting go smoothly. I've mad li ttle progress on my quarter galleries but eventually I'll get them done. I worked on the stern ornamentation but the casting sizes were so different that I ordered new ones from Model Expo. Hopefully I'll get replacements. Anyway enough with the dialog and on to the pictures. Richard Gahm, WackoWolf, fnkershner and 6 others 9 Quote Current Build - U.S. Syren 2nd Build - HMS Bounty Launch When organizing your thoughts, never use the Dewey Decimal system.
augie Posted May 9, 2014 #113 Posted May 9, 2014 Fine job on those fife rail stanchions. Deck is really coming alive isn't it? I really love your oak base. Talk about standing proud !!!!! Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956
Gahm Posted May 9, 2014 #114 Posted May 9, 2014 Your Syren really looks good! It always amazes me to see all these details on the deck. It really makes the ship come alive! Did you "wood-paint" the belaying pins which came with the kit or did you use something different (turn them yourself, buy wooden ones)? If wood-painted you really did a very nice job! I cannot tell the difference from real wood by looking at your pictures! Thomas Quote Current Built: Model Shipways Syren (US Brig 1803) Last Built: Anfora (kit bashed) Ictineo II (1st steam powered submarine 1864)
kscadman Posted May 10, 2014 Author #115 Posted May 10, 2014 HI Augie, and thanks. I'm happy with how the ol' girl is fitting out. Can't wait to see how she is with her hammock cranes installed. Thomas, I thought about using the birch wood to make the belaying pins but there wouldn't be any way to make them all equal with the tools at hand. So I painted the brass ones with the same Humbrol matte sand that I used on the wheel. Richard Quote Current Build - U.S. Syren 2nd Build - HMS Bounty Launch When organizing your thoughts, never use the Dewey Decimal system.
Chuck Posted May 12, 2014 #116 Posted May 12, 2014 Looking really fine. Clean and crisp work. Chuck Quote Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY
kscadman Posted May 29, 2014 Author #117 Posted May 29, 2014 Progress is being made on the stern. Davits are done. Gun port lids are done. Stern ornamentation is done. Finally got a set of castings that were close enough to work. The davits sat high on the cap rail so I added a piece of wood as filler to blend it in with the cap rail. I'm understanding how any slip ups early comes back to haunt a person in a latter step. But hey, it gives my Syren its own character. Made some progress on my quarter galleries and will continue the painfully slow process as I work on the ladders, and the rest of the cap rail details. Richard WackoWolf, Chuck, fnkershner and 5 others 8 Quote Current Build - U.S. Syren 2nd Build - HMS Bounty Launch When organizing your thoughts, never use the Dewey Decimal system.
fnkershner Posted May 29, 2014 #118 Posted May 29, 2014 Richard - Wonderful work! Can you give us more detail on how you prepared your stern decorations? They actually look pretty good. I have been worried they would always look like metal. Quote Current Builds - 18th Century Longboat, MS Syren Completed Builds - MS Bluenose, Panart BatteStation Cross section, Endevour J Boat Half Hull, Windego Half Hull, R/C T37 Breezing Along, R/C Victoria 32, SolCat 18 On the shelf - Panart San Felipe, Euromodel Ajax, C.Mamoli America, Its a sailor's Life for me!
Gahm Posted May 29, 2014 #119 Posted May 29, 2014 Richard, having gone through the construction of the stern davits myself just recently I know exactly what you are talking about! These guys can be a little bit tricky. But yours turned out beautifully! And I fully agree with Floyd, you have a very good way of making the metal cast parts look like wood. Your stern decoration is very well done! Thomas Quote Current Built: Model Shipways Syren (US Brig 1803) Last Built: Anfora (kit bashed) Ictineo II (1st steam powered submarine 1864)
kscadman Posted May 29, 2014 Author #120 Posted May 29, 2014 Floyd and Thomas, Thank you! I believe the secret is using the Humbrol matte sand paint and being too busy. All I did was prime the castings with testors primer then I gave it a light coat of matte sand. Then I wasn't able to get back to it for a couple of days then I added a second thin coat. On my final coat I just "hit the high points" which made them brighter than the recessed areas. But I did wait a day between coats. Hope this helps. Richard Gahm 1 Quote Current Build - U.S. Syren 2nd Build - HMS Bounty Launch When organizing your thoughts, never use the Dewey Decimal system.
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