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I was able to sneak a little work during the period between Christmas and New Year’s.  I made some of the rigging collars needed on the bow sprint.  The MS plans definitely show two thimbles for the shrouds and a deadeye for the bobstay.   On my previous models, these collars were all the same and the Hahn plans don’t show any details, so I’m going with the MS plans (for now).  The Hahn plans do show a fore stay AND a fore preventer stay.  So I’m going to follow the Hahn plans on that.  There are two beckets in lieu of thimbles on the preventer stay collar for the spritsail bunt lines.  My smallest thimble looked way too big.  I also tried my hand at carving.  I used an x-acto knife and a needle file and after a few tries, I think I’ve produced two adequate hounds to be placed in between the cheeks.  I may try to add more detail, but I’m afraid of breaking a leg or tail.

 

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Edited by KenW

Ken

 

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Posted

Thanks Bob.

Happy New Year.

Ken

 

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Continental Ship Independence  (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build)

Rattlesnake   (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build)

Armed Virginia Sloop  (from Completed Gallery)

Fair American (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build Log)

 

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Posted

Hi Ken, and Happy New Year - 

 

The detail work is coming along very nicely.  Congratulations.

 

As for the carved canines (hounds has another nautical meaning), you might try stiffening them with Minwax wood hardener before doing more detailed carving.  It dries clear and does not seem to interfere with gluing strength.  It makes carving a bit harder, but significantly reduces breaking along the grain.  Of course, test on some scrap before letting the dogs out.

 

Be well

 

Dan

Current build -Khufu solar barge, c. 2,560 BCE, a cross-section model at 1:10 scale

 

Prior scratch builds - Royal yacht Henrietta, USS Monitor, USS Maine, HMS Pelican, SS America, SS Rex, SS Uruguay, Viking knarr, Gokstad ship, Thames River Skiff , USS OneidaSwan 42 racing yacht  Queen Anne's Revenge (1710) SS Andrea Doria (1952), SS Michelangelo (1962) , Queen Anne's Revenge (2nd model) USS/SS Leviathan (1914),  James B Colgate (1892),  POW bone model (circa 1800) restoration,  SS Mayaguez (c.1975)

 

Prior kit builds - AL Dallas, Mamoli Bounty. Bluejacket America, North River Diligence, Airfix Sovereign of the Seas

 

"Take big bites.  Moderation is for monks."  Robert A. Heinlein

 

 

Posted

Hi Ken,  She looks beautiful.  I finished my Mamali kitbashed Rattler last summer.  Yours has really great lines.  I will follow along with interest.
Gary

Posted

Hi Ken -- Nice progress.  And your foray into the decorative carving looks very good.  You might find that these will need a touch of vertical trimming to fit into their space, but that shouldn't be much of a problem, and there's no way of knowing until you begin setting them in.

 

Can't wait to see more!

 

Martin

Current Build:  HMS FLY 1776

 

Previous Builds:  Rattlesnake 1781

                        Prince de Neufchatel

Posted

Thanks Dan, Gary and Martin and the 'likes'.

Dan:  I will try the wood hardener - testing first.  The issue with doing too much detailed work is that no one will really see it (or notice it).

Martin:  I'm working on the cheeks now and will make sure everything fits before the final gluing.  I can't wait to see more as well.

Cheers and Happy New Year.

Ken

 

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Continental Ship Independence  (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build)

Rattlesnake   (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build)

Armed Virginia Sloop  (from Completed Gallery)

Fair American (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build Log)

 

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Posted

Ken, the carving is a matter of personal taste and pride whether or not anyone else can see it but you and God. I get a lot of praise from my family and friends on my Rattlesnake carvings even though I know it's very rudimentary. It was after all my first ever carvings. They didn't see the fine Bob Hunt example I was following. So, put in what ever detail makes you feel good.

 

Jonathan

Current Build: Model Shipways USS Frigate Constitution
 
Past Builds:    Bob Hunt's kitbash of the Mamoli Rattlesnake

                         Model Shipways Typical Ship’s Boat for the Rattlesnake

                         Mini-Mamoli solid hull British Schooner Evergreen
                         Model Airways Albatros D.Va - 1917, The Red Baron's Forgotten Fighter

 
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Posted

Thanks Jonathan.  I totally agree.  The fear factor will prevent me doing too much.

Happy New Year.

Ken

 

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Pilot Boat Mary  (from Completed Gallery) (from MSW Build)

Continental Boat Providence   (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build)

Continental Ship Independence  (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build)

Rattlesnake   (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build)

Armed Virginia Sloop  (from Completed Gallery)

Fair American (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build Log)

 

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Posted

Fear shouldn't be a real factor:  remember that you can always do something over.

Current Build:  HMS FLY 1776

 

Previous Builds:  Rattlesnake 1781

                        Prince de Neufchatel

  • 2 weeks later...
Posted

I finally completed the cheeks and mounted them on the stem, along with the wolf-hounds.  ‘Martin W’ was right – the wolf hounds were a bit too large.  In fact, even though the carved wolfs were the exact size as those on the MS plans, the stem wasn’t the same size as the plans.  So I had to make the cheeks narrower and modify the carvings in order to manage to fit them on the model.  They don’t look as I imaged them, but I think they’re OK.  The cheeks were laminated to get the look I wanted.


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I also created small laminated pieces to enable the covering boards to look like they curved around at 180 degrees.  I think the result looks pretty good. 

 

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Now I'll continue working on the head.

 

Ken

 

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Pilot Boat Mary  (from Completed Gallery) (from MSW Build)

Continental Boat Providence   (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build)

Continental Ship Independence  (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build)

Rattlesnake   (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build)

Armed Virginia Sloop  (from Completed Gallery)

Fair American (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build Log)

 

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Posted

Ken, that's beautiful work!!!   You are certainly becoming a master ship modeler.  As I agonize over the tiny "fiddley bits" on my SYREN build, I can only envy your skill.  The wolf hounds look very good and are a nice addition to the model.  And that whole construction of the cheeks and head rails is one of the greatest challenges with a period ship model.  You nailed it.

 

<<Gary>>

current build: SYREN

nearly done:  Fair American, Benjamin W. Latham

future builds:  Emma C. Berry

completed builds:  Rattlesnake, Newsboy, Sultana

Posted

Thanks Gary, Bob and the 'likes'.

Now on to the head rails and the 'seats of ease'.

Cheers.

Ken

 

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Pilot Boat Mary  (from Completed Gallery) (from MSW Build)

Continental Boat Providence   (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build)

Continental Ship Independence  (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build)

Rattlesnake   (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build)

Armed Virginia Sloop  (from Completed Gallery)

Fair American (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build Log)

 

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Posted

Hi Ken - 

 

Looking really good.  Nice work on the wolf-hounds.

 

From experience I suggest that you locate and dry-fit the catheads before working out the top rail.  They fit together and the location of the cathead has a major influence on the size and shape of that top rail.

 

Dan

Current build -Khufu solar barge, c. 2,560 BCE, a cross-section model at 1:10 scale

 

Prior scratch builds - Royal yacht Henrietta, USS Monitor, USS Maine, HMS Pelican, SS America, SS Rex, SS Uruguay, Viking knarr, Gokstad ship, Thames River Skiff , USS OneidaSwan 42 racing yacht  Queen Anne's Revenge (1710) SS Andrea Doria (1952), SS Michelangelo (1962) , Queen Anne's Revenge (2nd model) USS/SS Leviathan (1914),  James B Colgate (1892),  POW bone model (circa 1800) restoration,  SS Mayaguez (c.1975)

 

Prior kit builds - AL Dallas, Mamoli Bounty. Bluejacket America, North River Diligence, Airfix Sovereign of the Seas

 

"Take big bites.  Moderation is for monks."  Robert A. Heinlein

 

 

Posted (edited)

Thanks Greg and Dan.

I'll plan out the location of the catheads while working on the head rails.

I'll be at the SMSNJ meeting on the 26th and hope to bring the model.

Cheers.

Edited by KenW

Ken

 

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Continental Boat Providence   (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build)

Continental Ship Independence  (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build)

Rattlesnake   (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build)

Armed Virginia Sloop  (from Completed Gallery)

Fair American (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build Log)

 

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Posted

I must express my shock and sorrow upon hearing of the passage of my 'friend' Augie. 

He was always encouraging to us 'new guys' and his knowledge and advise were welcome and often sought after.  And, his advice never felt like criticism.

His posts gave the impression of a likable and encouraging person.  He will be sorely missed.

 

If you are not aware, there is a site set up for MSW users to express their feelings. 

It can be found at - "http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/12546-augie-bruno/".

Ken

 

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Continental Boat Providence   (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build)

Continental Ship Independence  (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build)

Rattlesnake   (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build)

Armed Virginia Sloop  (from Completed Gallery)

Fair American (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build Log)

 

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Posted

The head took a while but it's done and I’m satisfied with the result.  I used Minwax Wood Hardener on the end of the head rail where a line will be tied off since the end looks very thin.  Not much else to say, except I’m on to the ‘seats of ease’.  I’m thinking, however, that before I complete the platform, I will have to install the bow sprint and its gammoning.

 

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Ken

 

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Pilot Boat Mary  (from Completed Gallery) (from MSW Build)

Continental Boat Providence   (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build)

Continental Ship Independence  (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build)

Rattlesnake   (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build)

Armed Virginia Sloop  (from Completed Gallery)

Fair American (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build Log)

 

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Posted

You did a beautiful job with the rails. Because my Rattlesnake was my first build, I did not know that the head of the rail was to be used for a line tie off. I would have added the "head piece" as well. I only learned this recently as I was rigging the bow.

 

I totally agree with your decision to install the bowsprit and gammoning at this point. Following Mr. Robert Hunt's practicum almost blindly because I didn't understand how things were interdependent, mine was installed at a latter point when it was much more difficult. May I suggest that you also get your figure head at least prepared and dry fitted if not installed, before the bowsprit installation just so there is no complications down the road.

 

Jonathan

Current Build: Model Shipways USS Frigate Constitution
 
Past Builds:    Bob Hunt's kitbash of the Mamoli Rattlesnake

                         Model Shipways Typical Ship’s Boat for the Rattlesnake

                         Mini-Mamoli solid hull British Schooner Evergreen
                         Model Airways Albatros D.Va - 1917, The Red Baron's Forgotten Fighter

 
​Member: Nautical Research Guild

Posted

Thanks Jonathan. 

My figurehead is being prepared 'as we speak'.  Although, I'm not carving it.  I know I can't do as good a job on the figurehead, as well as those stern decorations, as you did.  I considering other options.

Cheers.

Ken

 

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Pilot Boat Mary  (from Completed Gallery) (from MSW Build)

Continental Boat Providence   (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build)

Continental Ship Independence  (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build)

Rattlesnake   (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build)

Armed Virginia Sloop  (from Completed Gallery)

Fair American (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build Log)

 

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Posted

All I can say is, you won't know how well you can carve until you try. I NEVER carved before I attempted the Rattlesnake decorations. You've got nothing to lose in the attempt. You can always go back to what you originally planned if it doesn't work out. 

 

Jonathan

Current Build: Model Shipways USS Frigate Constitution
 
Past Builds:    Bob Hunt's kitbash of the Mamoli Rattlesnake

                         Model Shipways Typical Ship’s Boat for the Rattlesnake

                         Mini-Mamoli solid hull British Schooner Evergreen
                         Model Airways Albatros D.Va - 1917, The Red Baron's Forgotten Fighter

 
​Member: Nautical Research Guild

Posted

I have head rail envy. You did a great job sir !

 

I'm right where you are right now trying to figure out how to get the gammoning, heads and grating to fit with the two dolphin striker like things coming form under the bowsprit. gonna be a tight fit.

Eric

 

Current build(s) ;

AL San Francisco II

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/862-san-francisco-2-by-eric-al-190-sport29652/

 

MS Rattlesnake

http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/868-rattlesnake-by-eric-model-shipways-164-sport29652/page-2

 

Sitting on the shelf : MS Constitution, MS Sultana,

 

Wish List : MS Essex, Confederacy, and Syren, and a Victory kit by someone ?

 

"80% of the time it works every time."

Posted

Hi my name is Gordon mummey

I"'m one of the silent members I've just started the rattle snake and am very impressed with your build log. Wonderfully done ,

 

I have just finished hms victory by coreal

Also msw flying fish,syren,blue nose, and uss constitution that is my last 4 years of ship building, keep posting and I will keep watching .

Posted

Nice work, Ken.  And I know what you mean about the tight fit for everything.  Looking at the overhead shot of those 2 guns, I recall that I had a heckuva time seating the bowsprit in between them.

 

And I'll echo Jon's comments about carving -- you never know, but it might prove to be loads o' fun!  ;)

 

Cheers,

 

Martin

Current Build:  HMS FLY 1776

 

Previous Builds:  Rattlesnake 1781

                        Prince de Neufchatel

Posted

Thanks Bob, Eric, Gordon, Gerty and Martin and the 'likes'.

Ken

 

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Continental Boat Providence   (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build)

Continental Ship Independence  (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build)

Rattlesnake   (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build)

Armed Virginia Sloop  (from Completed Gallery)

Fair American (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build Log)

 

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Posted

Now the head is truly finished.  The bow sprint with its gammoning, the ‘seats of ease’, and the platform are complete.  I do plan on making a hand railing, but I want to wait until the rigging is done so I can insure that the railing doesn’t foul the lines.  So, for now, my plan is to move aft with the installation of the last 4 guns.

 

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Ken

 

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Washington 1776 Galley

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Pilot Boat Mary  (from Completed Gallery) (from MSW Build)

Continental Boat Providence   (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build)

Continental Ship Independence  (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build)

Rattlesnake   (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build)

Armed Virginia Sloop  (from Completed Gallery)

Fair American (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build Log)

 

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  • 2 weeks later...
Posted

All 20 guns are now installed.  The boat looks good with them all lined up.  One thing I noticed is that the four quoin handles I created this time are both smaller and better looking than those I made before.  I guess I’m doing better; but I won’t be starting over.  The work on the hull aft will not wait any longer; I have to get to it.


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Ken

 

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Continental Boat Providence   (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build)

Continental Ship Independence  (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build)

Rattlesnake   (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build)

Armed Virginia Sloop  (from Completed Gallery)

Fair American (from Completed Gallery)  (from MSW Build Log)

 

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