ivica70 Posted June 3, 2016 #1 Posted June 3, 2016 Hi! Discovered this forum again (have been always registered here, but forgotten this) during my research to find out how to construct some details of the HMS Sophie. My problem is that there is just one commonly known existing plan of Jack Aubrey's HMS Sophie (former Spanish brig Vencejo) and the plan is not very good in every aspect. At the moment I am having trouble with the Brodie Stove (found no possible information how it could look like and where it was installed on the HMS Sophie). I took the Brodie Stove from the Spanish Frigate Santa Leocadia The second and more problematic issue is the question how could be the beams over the battery deck arranged? I found no similar ship to take a closer look on the construction. The ship was built initially by me for a 3D-Animation, but now it serves as the main character for my web comic project. This is the reason why I need a highly detailed battery deck. For the 3D-Animation this deck should not been shown to closely. Greetings Ivi EJ_L, Landlubber Mike, Barbossa and 6 others 9 Quote
mtaylor Posted June 4, 2016 #2 Posted June 4, 2016 Welcome back... For the stove.. have a look here: http://modelshipworldforum.com/ship-model-furniture-and-deck-fittings.php On English ship's, the stove would have been just aft of the main bitts under the forecastle. I have no idea on the rest of your questions. PeteB 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
JerseyCity Frankie Posted June 4, 2016 #3 Posted June 4, 2016 The fictional sophie, of the Patrick O'Brien novels, was a fourteen gun brig and had a break in the deck aft, providing an "odd little poopdeck". Also the guns were on the uppermost deck, exposed to the elements. mtaylor 1 Quote Quote Niagara USS Constitution
HIPEXEC Posted June 6, 2016 #4 Posted June 6, 2016 I am going to enjoy this build of Jack Aubrey's first command. Good luck. I am currently building HMS Surprise. mtaylor 1 Quote Rich Rich USS Constitution by hipexec (Finished build) Virginia Pilot Boat 1805 (gallery - first build) USS Syren (USS Argus) by Hipexec Joshua Slocum's Spray by HIPEXEC
ivica70 Posted June 6, 2016 Author #5 Posted June 6, 2016 Hi! @ mtaylor I have the problem with the Stove that the Vencejo has a hatch shown in the plan in front where the stove should be. You can see the hatch in my actual render... @ JerseyCity Frankie There is as I know only one existing plan showing the Vencejo. The Vencejo is the fictional HMS Sophie from Patrick O'Brians novels, although he also uses characteristics of the HMS Speedy... @ Hipexec The HMS Surprise is a wonderful ship. Maybe will build her someday... I have added knees to the beams as you can see in this new rendered view. Would it be possible for the brig to have this beams and knees arranged like this? Greetings Ivi PeteB, mtaylor and EJ_L 3 Quote
uss frolick Posted June 6, 2016 #6 Posted June 6, 2016 The configuration of the Sophie was more like that of the Fair American. The real-life inspiration for her was Lord Cochrane's HMS Speedy, whose plan survives. But Speedy had no poop deck. The cruises and battles of Aubrey's Sophie was a shot for shot retelling of the real career of Cochrane's Speedy. HMS Speedy also took the 34-gun Spanish Xebec frigate Gamo, in the manner exactly described in the climax of the book Master and Commander. grsjax and mtaylor 2 Quote
piperck Posted June 7, 2016 #7 Posted June 7, 2016 Is there a model of the HMS Speedy available? If not, with the popularity of the O"Brien novels, it would likely be a popular kit. Chris mtaylor 1 Quote
ivica70 Posted June 8, 2016 Author #8 Posted June 8, 2016 Hi! I know the story of taking the Gamo from Lord Cochrane. I tried to create the HMS Sophie as described by Patrick O'Brian and painted by Geoff Hunt. But the Speedy maybe the next project.... I have been told in an other forum about Napoleonic ships, that the knees I constructed within the beams over the main deck would not be very practicable on a ship of that small size. The most upper decks do not even have to carry guns here... I rendered a test showing the gun deck as seen from the front looking to the stern... Greetings Ivi mtaylor, PeteB and EJ_L 3 Quote
ivica70 Posted June 13, 2016 Author #9 Posted June 13, 2016 Hi! Update. Now the gundeck with some sailors... Greetings Ivi PeteB, WBlakeny, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote
uss frolick Posted June 14, 2016 #10 Posted June 14, 2016 That might be called a frigate-built brig, or perhaps a brigate? EJ_L and mtaylor 2 Quote
ivica70 Posted June 17, 2016 Author #11 Posted June 17, 2016 Hi! I don't know exactly, but the Spanish constructed it this way... Greetings Ivi EJ_L, PeteB, druxey and 1 other 4 Quote
ivica70 Posted July 4, 2016 Author #12 Posted July 4, 2016 Hi! Little update. Working at the moment at the useful tools to operate such a gun... Greetings Ivi EJ_L, druxey, PeteB and 1 other 4 Quote
ivica70 Posted July 29, 2016 Author #13 Posted July 29, 2016 Hi! First rendering of the great cabin... Greetings Ivi EJ_L, PeteB and mtaylor 3 Quote
Chuck Seiler Posted July 29, 2016 #14 Posted July 29, 2016 Looks a bit large for a brig. JerseyCity Frankie 1 Quote Chuck Seiler San Diego Ship Modelers Guild Nautical Research Guild Current Build:: Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans), Hanseatic Cog Wutender Hund, Pinas Cross Section Completed: Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch, 1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch), John Smith Shallop
ivica70 Posted September 7, 2016 Author #15 Posted September 7, 2016 Hi! You mean the cabin? Greetings Ivi PeteB, mtaylor, ccoyle and 1 other 4 Quote
Chuck Seiler Posted September 8, 2016 #16 Posted September 8, 2016 The whole gundeck area. mtaylor 1 Quote Chuck Seiler San Diego Ship Modelers Guild Nautical Research Guild Current Build:: Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans), Hanseatic Cog Wutender Hund, Pinas Cross Section Completed: Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch, 1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch), John Smith Shallop
ivica70 Posted September 8, 2016 Author #17 Posted September 8, 2016 Hi! I had some problems while working with the blueprints of the Vencejo. If the measures are absolutely right, then it would be impossible to use some of the guns, because the height of the deck makes it impossible to stay, to work and even just to normally walk around. In the great cabin you could only sit with your head down. Entering the cabin and walking around in it would be very painful.... Greetings Ivi mtaylor 1 Quote
Chuck Seiler Posted September 8, 2016 #18 Posted September 8, 2016 That's about right. They were not all that roomy and the folks were smaller then. Movie and TV depictions are bad examples because they often build the sets overly large to accommodate the film crews, cameras and comfort of the actors. IIRC, the BOUNTY used for the 1960s movie was 1.5 times the size of the real BOUNTY. That is also the reason why, unlike the army, the British navy never stands when they make a toast. Tradition. Back in the day, if you stood in the wardroom or great cabin, you may end up whackin' your head on some beam or overhead object. mtaylor and ivica70 2 Quote Chuck Seiler San Diego Ship Modelers Guild Nautical Research Guild Current Build:: Colonial Schooner SULTANA (scratch from Model Expo Plans), Hanseatic Cog Wutender Hund, Pinas Cross Section Completed: Missouri Riverboat FAR WEST (1876) Scratch, 1776 Gunboat PHILADELPHIA (Scratch), John Smith Shallop
ivica70 Posted September 9, 2016 Author #19 Posted September 9, 2016 Hi! I am working currently on a webcomic based on fictial events taking place aboard this ship. Therefore, just like you mentioned the movie and TV crews, I had to "resize" the deck sizes, when they are shown. In the first post of me you can see the actual "real" size of the ship. But for the scenes below the upper decks I faked the size of the ship. Also, initially I made the mistake to built to big seamen for this particular era. My Seamen are about 1,85m high - too high for the Napoleonic era. 1,60 would be more comfortable... Greetings Ivi Chuck Seiler and mtaylor 2 Quote
ivica70 Posted November 7, 2016 Author #20 Posted November 7, 2016 Hi! A little update on the great cabin. Greetings Ivi mtaylor, BANYAN, PeteB and 3 others 6 Quote
ivica70 Posted December 14, 2016 Author #21 Posted December 14, 2016 Hi! A little update. Currently working to improve the glass material of the windows. Afterwards will have to repaint the beams in the great cabin and the part of the helm that is crossing through the cabin... Greetings Ivi wrkempson, Captain Poison, BANYAN and 5 others 8 Quote
ivica70 Posted January 16, 2017 Author #22 Posted January 16, 2017 Hi! A little update. Currently creating the ships cook... Kind regards Ivi Captain Poison, BANYAN, PeteB and 1 other 4 Quote
Magnus Posted February 16, 2017 #23 Posted February 16, 2017 Funny ... due to this illustration (further down on the page) ship cooks eternally seem to have a wooden leg. When I will make one for my project he also will have one. http://www.portcities.org.uk/london/server/show/ConGallery.57/Ranksin-Nelsons-navy.html mtaylor 1 Quote
BANYAN Posted February 17, 2017 #24 Posted February 17, 2017 The ship and the figure look great, nice renders. Magnus, it was not uncommon for the cook, or his offsider to have a wooden leg or hook arm, as that was one of the few jobs a disabled crew member could sign on for if not fully able to man the yards, or do landlubber tasks. cheers Pat mtaylor 1 Quote If at first you do not suceed, try, and then try again!Current build: HMCSS Victoria (Scratch) Next build: HMAS Vampire (3D printed resin, scratch 1:350) Built: Battle Station (Scratch) and HM Bark Endeavour 1768 (kit 1:64)
Beef Wellington Posted February 19, 2017 #25 Posted February 19, 2017 (edited) Hi Ivi, really nice work. I'm curious about the stern cabins, do they appear at all on the plans or elsewhere. I know this set-up is usual in larger ships, but they seem so very small on this vessel that I question their utility and especially considering the space premium to accommodate the crew. Edited February 19, 2017 by Beef Wellington mtaylor 1 Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop)
ivica70 Posted February 19, 2017 Author #26 Posted February 19, 2017 Hi! A little update about the cook... Kind regards Ivi mtaylor 1 Quote
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