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Thanks for likes, comments/ hints /tips / suggestions, measurements everyone, have re made the table and re used the old legs, while in redux mode i removed the port side stern deckhouse so i could panel the doors to match the starboard side (was thinking should i remove the forward facing door and move it to beside the other door but thought na i like it)! While doing that i tackled another job that needed remedial work which is the skid beams were around 5 mm too high, so removed the posts and skid beams and moved the knees to their new height.... i was going to move the post back but thought best not as i super glued the brackets in and will probably rip the capping rail off😱 (sometimes best not to push your luck). In the pic you will see the new table beside the old table top for comparison. Take care all Keith
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I can vouch Keith it is repaired as i was on the 10.58 train from Carlisle (diesel unit though unfortunately) which crossed it before pulling into the station, it is still single track though (in fact every time i go to the steam railway at Keighley {actually pronounced Keithlee} you have to go over it😁.... bloody fantastic)! Keith
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yeah, problem with Cutty Sark is she was altered in one way or another with rig changed and deck house alterations etc. Back to terror and i am thinking that navigation table is too big on the model so will salvage my carved walnut legs and rebuild it slightly smaller. Today i had a day off work so took my son down to Ribblehead to see the Yorkshire three peaks and the magnificent hand built Victorian viaduct (been over it loads of times but never got off at the station to have a look from below.. till today😁). the pics really dont do it justice! 20220826_125715[1].mp4 Take care all Keith
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Yeah Craig.... Keith S and myself have been saying for two years if only they had panned this way or that way! some of the Juicy detail we need is soooooooooooo close (hey Keith have you organised a dive down to the engine room yet)! It was interesting in my last update when reading the stuff about Cutty Sarks compasses in the link about compasses from Keith B how her Azimuth compass was also between the skid beams. was not 100% about the post but in the end i got my (wait for it).........bearings! Keith
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OK chaps i am taking the plunge...................😱 introducing footing for the infamous column and as an encore we have a square hole in the table (had to move it forward because some idiot put the skid beam too far forward🤪. Also trialed the rope handrail, and yes i know there should be a gap tween the column and the bridge☺️ Thank you Craig (AKA Keith) for the invaluable input ,....... now to figure out a brass or wooden stand for the azimuth compass! also while reading about the binnacles on the link supplied by Keith B i noticed this about the cutty sark " The Tea Clipper, Cutty Sark, built in 1870, was an iron-framed and iron-clad ship. This is now a museum ship located in Greenwich, UK. According to the original specifications of the Cutty Sark, there were 3 compasses on board as well as spares: Compasses: Three binnacles to be found, viz. Steering Binnacle and Compass, Standard in front of Poop with Board of Trade Compass, Azimuth on Skids between Boats, one suspended Cabin Compass, two spare cards, two spare Agates and two spare pivots to each compass with deviation card to be found, and two spare brass compasses all to be properly adjusted by swinging the vessel Take care all Keith
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Hey up a lot of posts about posts during my shuteye😁. When you get your book Keith (and well done getting out of the airport) there is a drawing of an 1845 royal navy binnacle/ compass. Not sure if you seen the post a couple of days ago regarding the wavertree which had a compass forward and both sides of the wheel - don't forget the helmsman would have been standing on the starboard side with the wheel off to his left side so the compass and binnacle in the book would look o.k. beside the skylight- but once they reached the arctic the "normal" steering compasses would have been removed and stored and navigation would have used the azzimuth steering compass (which is why i think the drawing shows the post only and the azzimuth compass would have been on a binnacle on top of that so the navigator could get his heading and keep an eye on the needle). The idea of having to climb on the table every time you wanted a bearing/ course plotted seems like hard work. Also when/ if the bridge was dismantled they could ship the post and still mount the compass on the table?... oh and guys don't forget the average height in 1845 was around 5'6" or there abouts maybe even a couple of inches shorter! Keith
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your not the only one Keith B! still swinging between the azimuth compass on the table or the pillar? Craigs argument does make sense, but so does Matthew Betts. I am now wondering if the pillar was actually two, one for the port and one for starboard steering compasses which could be observed from the bridge hence why on posts? The other thing on my mind is that is a long unsupported 12" pillar (except for the table). Will stick with the bridge but might revert back to my original idea and place the azimuth compass on the navigation table which was my inkling from day one?!?! This ship is going to drive Keith S and myself completely nuts😵 Keith
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that is about the size of the one i was depicting in its box, now thinking hmmmm lets have the lid open and a bit of detail added! As it stands i have not fastened the post in place or cut a hole in my table yet😁 as i cannot 100% make my mind up!!!!!!! Keith
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Have also seen them look like this, problem with deciding on the compass is our victorian friends invented/ improved designs at a very impressive pace. Keith
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it is nice m8y (watch out i put the chart cupboard handle on the wrong side😬). I havnt read it yet just perused the plans to figure out those bridge supports....are you still stuck in that airport?!? Keith
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pssst Daniel i am not sure if you are breaking copyright there , maybe delete the script and just describe in your own words about compass. However that would mean i was right with first set up regards box on a table, you can go bonkers trying to figure this out!!!!!! Keith here is a crop of the Erebus wreck diagram the square is behind the hatch and below the tiller (could just be other wreckage though). Keith
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Nice to see you back with her Keith- looks really crisp and shipshape. Never fails to amaze me when i think about what scale you are working in😁 Keith
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Welcome back fellow terrorite😉Hopefully we will have the ice bridge Azimuth compass scenario sorted by the time you get there! As regards Occre throw the plans out once the ice bumper and stern gallery is done! Between us Keith S and myself have all the info you need along with Matthew Betts book and blog on here (under E&T - finished) in scratch built build logs....... oh god sanding the ice bumpers - was like some sort of prison style punishment! Keith
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Hmmm the idea of the stanchions ion the skid beam looks like a winner and would make mounting a ladder safer- i'm considering it massively. Also Keith did you see the earlier post regards binnacles and i have looked at those parks Canada sketches a few times and wondered what is that square in a square set up abaft the officers mess skylight? I am going to change the base of the compass post to a square footing as opposed to the hat stand style feet i have at the moment. Take care all Keith
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just found this on the mystic seaport website, In fact, it is common for the standard compass to be mounted away from the helm position even on modern vessels. Also note that in addition to her main compass which was remote from the helm, Wavertree was equipped with two steering compasses located by the helm on the quarterdeck. These would be the references the helmsman would use to steer a steady course. Left: This image shows one of a pair of steering binnacles by the wheel on Wavertree’s sister ship, the Leicester. (South Street Seaport Museum Archives) In fact there may also be other compasses aboard a ship such as a “Tell-Tale Compass” in the Captain’s quarters by which the Master could see the course being steered without going on deck. Some larger ships are required to carry a spare compass in addition to thor standard compass to this day. and a drawing of hms beagle hmmm food for thought! Keith
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Thankyou Daniel, intriguing Keith and it might help explain why upon refitting to the 1839 plans terror and Erebus ended up with a bridge and a pedestal to mount the compass on. I suspect there should be another compass for the helmsman as well and the portable Royal navy one we were discussing what feels like centuries ago could be very likely. I was just thinking guys that we might be the first people (along i imagine with Matthew Betts) to seriously look into the ice bridge / compass conundrum since 1845? keith
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That is a very good point Keith - they also seem absent on the "our friend the pitcher" drawing. 🤪🤨🤪- ouch my friend you are still stuck in the airport!!!!! Keith
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Thanks for the input Craig and certainly can't be ruled out. I have been looking at the owen stanley pics of Terror and Erebus again and noticed a couple of things. it shows the two skid beam support posts and what looks like a diagonal rod going from the bridge end to the support post. Also the davit arms are held by halliards leading to the mizzen aka hms victory davit style. Regards the handrail will stick with a single row of stanchions with rope handrails and iron rod supports either side of midships. Take care all Keith
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Thanks for the likes, comments and looking in folks. Craig i would like to thank you for your input (they do say a fresh pair of eyes looking at a problem works wonders). Also thanks to Keith S (we are getting there Keith)! Had a play about recreating the azimuth compass column (thanks again Craig, have been trying to figure out for two years what that column was for, as they say "say what you see"... it was all there)! Bad part is that skid beam i put in 3 mm too far has come back to bite me😬 so will have to put the hole in the table forward of centre....... Now how long to make that bridge! Take care all Keith P.S.Keith B i have been chuckling at this comment for a couple of days now "Lord Kelvin invented his compensating balls" God bless school boy humour🤣
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Thanks everyone- looks like my table is getting a hole in it!!!! I have been thinking if the post is for a pelorus that is mounted on top of the post, someone standing on the bridge will be able to get his line of sight and shout down to helmsman "mark" while also communicating with navigators at the table? The bridge will be just as good as the top of the table for observing and if someone said to me "stand on that table and take bearings" while at sea i would be court martialled for offensive language 😁 Keith
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No problem Daniel- now the fun really begins muahahahahaha🤪- Keith and i might have the ice bridge sorted out (with a little help) by the time you get to it! Keith
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Thanks Daniel and Keith B , who would have thought a compass and plank of wood could have caused so much debate😁. Also it is great to see my other long suffering Terror compadre back on the scene after his long break . Keith
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i was thinking along them lines Keith as there is a bloody great steam engine right below them, that is one reason i was going to mount a binnacle on the elevated bridge but it really is too narrow so the post could be for mounting the compass and pedestal on, but still seems odd putting it through the middle of a table ....ahhh the conundrum of our little Terrors continues😎 You will see a raised platform on the old steamers, ocean liners and warships which was to keep the compass away from the ironwork, later they used magnets to offset the effect of the iron/ steel work. Keith
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I am thinking along them lines as well Keith but does seem a bit bizarre having a long post like that going through a table but hey we are dealing with Terror and Erebus here! I am sooooooo glad i didnt belay the main braces yet because they will definitely get in the way. ouch at being stuck in airport m8. Keith
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