Keith_W

Nice progress, Vince. BTW, I was looking through your pictures again. Did you forget to cut a hole for the side entrance door?

Hi Pops, I think the various build logs (including mine) will give you good pointers for things to watch out for. I'll be following your build. Curious to see what you do with this BTW, if you plan to vary your rigging from the plans, you will need to get yourself more rope.

I don't know why they elected to use cherry for the frames, given that they were meant to be painted over. If you plan to paint yours over, then by all means use another species of wood.

I see that your kit has the same problem as mine. Bulkheads "C" and "D" do not reach all the way down to the level of the false keel. I had to shim these prior to bevelling. I can also see the the top of bulkhead "F" does not sit level with bulkheads B-E. Same with mine

I have a question: does ammonia bleach wood?

Peter, with no disrespect to Keith Julier, I found your RW resource much more helpful. For a start, your Interpretive Info contains logs from other modellers, and thus more than one interpretation of how the build should go. I am not sure I agree with you in all respects, e.g. my interpretation of the plans slightly differ to yours and Julier's. In time, my model might end up looking like some horrible cobbled together matchstick monstrosity (which would be my punishment for striking out my own way instead of listening to more experienced modellers), and everyone on MSW will be able to see it But then again, it may not! Wombat, I am glad that my criticism of the kit has not dissuaded you. I would like to say again - I am not bashing Euromodel. Well, apart from my disappointment at some of the castings and parts. But those can be worked around. The subject of the kit is unique, and the model is beautiful. I had one look at Brian's, beheld the size of the thing and its sheer beauty (not to mention Brian's craftsmanship), and I was instantly smitten. You really need to see a well built model and you will be convinced.

Hi Vince, it looks as if my message yesterday never made it to the board. You are doing great work! I was wondering why you decided to construct the poop deck first? I was planning to build the stern from the bottom up, that way I can be sure that I don't extend the poop deck too far aft. Brian, as for Vince inspiring you ... you could do with a good dose of that right now! I would love to see you restart your build log!

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Louie, any scrap wood that you remove from your pear trunk can be used for smoking food. I often chuck pear chips into my Kamado smoker and get amazing ribs. I know this is REALLY off topic but here are some ribs I smoked with cherry wood: So if you cut up your pear branch, first dibs on the offcuts! I'll even drive up to Ballarat to collect it If you can't make a ship model out of the wood, you may as well use it to flavour your food, eh!!!

Thanks for your remarks, Tom. And thank you also for the link Kevin, but I already have that article

That's OK Brian, I know that you and others think that my assessment of this kit is overly harsh, and that I am being too critical - but I think it is important to point out where the pitfalls are for people who will follow. To me, I have always found the most helpful build logs are those which clearly point out "Beware of this! Don't make the same mistake as me!". If it wasn't for other build logs which have clearly identified problems and workarounds, my build would be even more sloppy than it already is!

Hi Wombat, interesting name for someone who lives in the UK Are you an Aussie expatriate by any chance? The kit is "all right". It is certainly not a kit in the same way that something provided with Amati is a kit. As mentioned, the instructions are so poor that they may as well not have bothered. It would have been helpful if the instructions gave you a suggested build order, but they don't even do that. If you look at the build logs on MSW, you'll see that each of us are building it in a slightly different order. VinceP has completed the first planking up to the top deck before starting second planking. I plan to start my second planking before I reach this stage to avoid having to invert the model and damaging deck features. Just one example. Things that you would expect to fit (e.g. all the laser cut parts) ... don't fit. This is a critical realization to make very early in your build because (if you are like most normal people), you would be taking reference and locating features off your laser cut parts. You need to accept that the laser cut parts are approximations, as shown by some examples I have highlighted during this build (e.g. the bow bulkheads not reaching down to the keel!). Instead, you absolutely MUST take reference off the plans. This in itself can sometimes be problematic, because the plans don't always clearly show where a feature should be located. A great deal of intuition, study of other builds, and prayer is needed. None of these problems are insurmountable. A much more difficult problem is what you are going to do about some of those fittings! Some (e.g. the gun carriages) can be fabricated. Some others (e.g. gunport hinges) will have to be replaced with third party parts. And some others (e.g. the windows supplied as metal plates) will have to be discarded and made anew. But yet some others are not so easy - e.g. the fine filigree work at the stern, the stanchions, etc. All this could be avoided if Euromodel replaced these parts with photo-etch. They say that Euromodel is more a scratch build than a kit build. That is certainly true, because some of the supplied parts are so substandard that you will need to scratch it yourself anyway. In any case, I am sure it will turn out to be a fine model. I just don't think it is such a great kit.

Australia uses metric. AFAIK the only country in the world to use Imperial units is the USA and maybe some US territories and colonies - e.g. Liberia, Guam, Marshall Islands (but i'm not even sure about those).

Just go to google and type "1/32" into mm". That's it.

Thy copy cat!!!

Very hard to count how many drop planks you will need from a picture, Capt. Al. But it does look as if you will need a few. One thing I should have done with my Bounty was to paint the hull below the waterline white. Will you be doing this? If you plan to paint, it can hide all sorts of planking sins and you will be able to use filler.

I agree with Brian - Titebond is my favourite glue. There are a couple of issues with it though - first, it does not set clear. It is a tiny bit yellow. Won't be a problem if you sand it all off. The second issue is its setting time - about 30 minutes. It is perfect for me, but may be either too fast or too slow for you. For this reason I also stock a variety of other glues, including Aquadhere PVA (for when I want even slower setting times, or when set times is not an issue). I also stock Epoxy at home - I like Epoxy, but it is expensive and wasteful. Then there are the 10 packs of Super Glue you can buy from Asian $2 shops in Box Hill.

Love it, Von Kossa. If it wasn't for the pot plants in the background, you could almost convince me that we are looking down the deck of the ship in the museum. Great job!

She looks beautiful, Jack, thanks for sharing. BTW, I love your RRS ballhead and L-plate for your Canon as well I couldn't recognize the tripod though! Oh yes, that's a lot of cat food ...

Hi Steve and Julian, thanks for dropping in. This kit is clinker planked, which is a whole new challenge by itself. The other disappointment was the plywood that was supplied for the planking. The problem with plywood is that it tends to delaminate when it is soaked, so you have to be very careful when you bend the planks. You can not use plank nippers to bend the plank either, since you will be able to see both sides of the plank. Then there is the problem of how you are going to clamp the planks when you are assembling the kit! The frames are too thin to use clamping screws, and using nails will leave holes in the planks. Holes aren't so much of a problem if you plan to show the nails as a feature once the boat is built. I used super glue to avoid the clamping problem, but this left ugly stain marks on the finished boat which I had to spend much time sanding off. If I were to do it again, I would probably use small spots of super glue gel to avoid the likelihood of glue running all over the place with sprays of accelerant to set it quickly. Hopefully, more experienced modellers than me can come up with suggestions on how to clamp these planks.

You can buy a Dremel, but others on MSW also use Proxxon and Foredom. When purchasing a rotary tool, these are (IMHO) the most important considerations: - Price. Dremel is the cheapest and most available, Foredom costs the most. - Chuck diameter. Dremel has the smallest chuck (which limits the size of the tool you can hold). Foredom has the largest. - Flexible shaft. AN ABSOLUTE NECESSITY IMO. This allows you to hold the tool with a pencil grip and saves you from having to wrestle a large tool when performing delicate work. All three systems have flexible shafts as an accessory. With Foredom, you have a choice of many different shafts and heads. - Tool bits. All accessories are interchangeable between Dremel, Proxxon, and Foredom - with the notable exception that larger diameter shank tools will not fit if your chuck diameter is too small (see point #2). Just because Dremel has the largest and most available selection of tool bits should NOT influence your decision. You can easily use a Dremel tool bit on a Foredom if you so choose. - Smoothness. Proxxon and Foredom are said to be noticably smoother than Dremel with less rotational eccentricity. Important if you are carving very fine work but not so much if you are using your Dremel as a Drum sander or to cut bits of wood off. - Foot pedal. Only Foredom has a variable speed foot pedal. This is important because your tool is not rotating when you apply it to the workpiece - increasing your precision. Both Dremel and Proxxon can be adapted with an "on-off" pedal, but this does not give you the ability to adjust speed using foot pressure. I have a Dremel and I am happy with it. Good luck with your choice.

Thanks Brian. I will be in Brisbane next week, so I can't bring it to the meeting We have some house guests at the moment, so I haven't been able to work on the ship. Then when I get back from Brisbane, i'll be off to London - my first trip back there in 10 years. Quite looking forward to it. Might try to persuade the wife to let me go to Portsmouth and the NMM

Found this build log by doing a Google search. You did a great job, well done.

Sapphire, I bought my kit locally from Float A Boat in Ringwood. Their website is terrible, but they are a really friendly bunch. Much more friendly than that Modellers Shipyard guy. http://www.floataboat.com.au/

Hi Saph, when I built my Bounty Launch I compared a few of these models to AOTS:Bounty by Mackay. If you look at my build log you will find scans of relevant pages from different sources when I was checking historic accuracy (link in my signature). Here is a run-down of several different kits: Artesania Latina Bounty Jolly Boat, 1/25 scale, 415mm length: http://www.artesanialatina.net/articulo.aspx?ref=19004&des=hmsbounty-jolly-boat-velas-cosidas This is NOT the Bounty Launch as sailed by Bligh, rather it is an interpretation of the Jolly Boat, which was used for lighter duties. The plywood keel and ribs will be on display, and you will easily be able to see the laminations, so these should preferably be painted over. Otherwise, wood quality is typical Artesania Latina, meaning very good. Pre-sewn sails are included. Instructions are very good, featuring a full colour booklet and a sheet of poorly translated instructions - but this should be enough to help you build the ship. OcCre Bounty Boat, 1/24 scale, 435mm length: http://www.occre.com/model-ship/bounty-boat.html This boat is probably most accurate to the plans provided by Mackay. (Note that I did not say that it is the most historically accurate, because nobody seems to know what the actual Launch looked like). Every detail seems to be true to Mackay - the kit includes a bowsprit, windlass, and hoist. Also, rigging of the masts includes deadeyes. All these are absent on the Model Shipways kit. Unfortunately, again the keel and frame are cut from plywood, meaning that it will be on display. OcCre was founded by a group of former Artesania employees - so the wood is excellent. Instructions are also very good. I think that the sails are also pre-sewn, although my recollection is a little sketchy. Model Shipways HMS Bounty Launch, 1/16 scale, 438mm length: http://www.modelexpo-online.com/product.asp?ITEMNO=MS1850 This kit deviates from the other two in several ways. It is the ONLY kit to be built over a plug. It is also the only kit to feature laser cut planking strakes, so you don't have to taper planks yourself. Every part of the boat is made of limewood. Limewood is a rather unattractive wood, although it is easily worked. You will have to stain it or paint it. I chose to do both. Instructions are excellent, BY FAR the best instructions you will ever see included in a model boat kit. Unfortunately, the kit deviates from Mackay and other sources in a number of ways, although most of these can be rectified by kit bashing. For example, the kit features gunwales - a feature missing in other sources I looked at (Mackay, NMM). If you want a kit that looks closest to the Launch as set out by Mackay, I would recommend the OcCre. If you want an easily built boat, I would go Model Shipways. Good luck with your choice.