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This is the artitec model in Lelystad. The green is almost grey, and only slightly darker than the bronze guns. On the left of the puic you can (bit hazy) see the difference in the water-sprouts on the lower deck (round, sticking out of the hull) and the upper deck (just a hole (just below the guns)
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Hello Kester, Yes, I know that the ringbolts are a bit awkward... The gun however is fully run in in this pic, so that it is close to the wheels is understandable, but still.... Has perhaps something to do with the fact that the gun-reconstructions were done years after the ship was build.... I checked the drawings: in Batavia the ringbolts are plced on the so called 'schaarstokken', the heavier pieces of wood running from front to end. As it is a merchant ship, the area between these schaarstokken are almost entirely used for the main hatches to get the cargo into the deeper hull. There is no way in Batavia to get the ringbolts near the ships centerline, as was done tin the heavier ships of the line. Although, I checked on the zweidecker as photographed by Winter and there aoos the ringbolts are placed in the schaarstokken, and not on the decks center line. Jan
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I can tell you were this canon is living: Batavia, Lelystad The rigging of this gun is incomplete: there is no breachrope ('broektouw') that is intended to counteract the recoil of the gun. Also, the tackle intended to run the gun in, is not hooked to the ring in the deck, but also hooked into the same ringbolt in the hull to which the tackle intended to run the gun out is hooked. So: breachrope missing, and of the two tackles shown in this pic ones intended to go forward, the other backward. Jan
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I've been looking at the pics in Winter, but I can't see how exactly the thing is done there. On the model of the Prins Willem, there are only small wooden blocks on the outside, with a hole in it, suggesting something like Dik has drawn. On the other hand, the round holes in Winter suggest something like a lead pipe, just sticking through the hull..... Witsen in his book on the PInas, just draws a simple lead pipe (plate XLIII). However, on plate 33 he draws it as a square pice of wood (bosch), and in the tekst he gives the dimensions of it, and shows also the small leather tube that is fixed to it, to prevent water getting into the ship through these wooden pipes. Hoving writes that the bos is set through the 'lijfhout', more or less like Dik is showing it. However, ZP is much later than Witsen's Pinas..... The Artitec-model in Lelystad shows round (wooden?) pipes through the hull at the lower gundeck, while there are just (square) holes in the hull at the upper deck. Jan
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Sorry Dan, But to my untrained eye, there are no mistakes. If you want us to discuss the mistakes, you'll have to report them yourself Jan
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You mean the colour that Jack used on his model of the Zweidecker?
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White uniforms, could also be austro-hungarian..... same contient, quite a distance Jan
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Spanish gunboat Elcano (1885?) Jan
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Hi Sjors, A ship is symmetrical, so you know what's there Jan
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Yes, she is. Jan
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Ha, I killed the game Jan
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Permission granted! Absolutely realistic (only the stew and the cook are missing, otherwise we would happily belive it was the real thing!) Going this way, I guess reliable maps in the chart-room will be your next objective Jan
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as an illustration to the 'facial expression' I think I already posted the link to more of my pics of the ship: https://picasaweb.google.com/101597346346552139735/UtrechtsStatenjacht?authuser=0&feat=directlink
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This is her at her second (and last) owner. In her early days she had different colours and even a basic sail rig.... Jan
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You have the correct type of ship, the correct period and the correct timing of the picture. Now all you need is the ships name Jan
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Dremels are beautiful, but also quite powerfull (too powerful in my opinion, I have a 40W minicraft, and it is well suited for most jobs, powerwise speaking) Do you have something like a X-acto or Swan knife (blade 11)? Getting your knife in from the outside of the hull, and starting in the centre of the gunport, and slowly cutting towards the sides. The small round holes: I would suggest a small round ratfile (search for naaldvijl in Dutch). slowly turning round and gently pushing inward, until the correct diameter is reached. Jan
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Is this a real ship? "Kiel restaurant"
amateur replied to Shamrock's topic in Nautical/Naval History
schon jut...... Weiss ich doch Jan -
Is this a real ship? "Kiel restaurant"
amateur replied to Shamrock's topic in Nautical/Naval History
Bratwurst und Sauerkraut Oder Currywurst mit Bier Jan -
Sheer luck, it was one of the first showing up when I went looking for a "croiseur WWI" fomr France Something quite different Jan
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Is this a real ship? "Kiel restaurant"
amateur replied to Shamrock's topic in Nautical/Naval History
http://www.holtenau-info.de/history/eroeffnungsfeier-1895.htm So in fact, it is nothing more than a (quite pompous) restaurant. (but hey, its German ) Jan -
Is this a real ship? "Kiel restaurant"
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I can paste the link (using IE 11....), but I found a german site telling that there were massive festivities for the opening of the Kaiser Wilhelm Kanal in 1895 (make a search for einweihung Kaiser Wilhelm Kanal, and quite a lot of german history sites popup) There was a park laid ouot for the festivities, and in the middle of that park, a mock up of a former German frigate (Niobe) was build as 'Festsaal' Jan -
Is this a real ship? "Kiel restaurant"
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The German Kriegsmarine was well into the steam era by 1850. I guess this is a fake ship, to remember the glorious past of the Kreigsmarine. One of our German members can perhaps shedd some light in this. (thr rigging looks quite convincing, btw...) Jan -
btw it is unprotected cruiser Cosmao
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Nope, will not solve the problem (at least, it didn't do the trick for me) Jan
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INteresting perhaps, but I still don't know whether or not I like these French cruisers Jan
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