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Thanks Brian, Paul and Mark, as always, I do not know yet what this is for, just a small nagging voice inside my head told me to do so ... XXXDAn

Wonderful as always!!! Daniel

But still the question: Is it the same result on the guns as the contemporary paints? So we are having three different types of guns: brass, iron and steel. Each different in the upkeeping :-) Daniel

And the weekend show, some quantum leaps - means very small and little :-) fitted the last lid ... ... and fitted with lanyards. The holes in the brass fittings were deepend into the plastic by means of a hot needle ... ... so the brass is not damaged like with a drill and the deep is automatically fixed by the cones of the needle tip and the size of the hole in the fitting ... ... and it looks like this. Grüßle, Daniel

Hello Jürgen, nice to see you here! All the best, Daniel

Thank you both Garward and Maurice! @ Garward: It is always a treat to see your wonderful and precise models! Thanks for linking to the blackenig of your wonderful barrals! If I got it wright, this are the means of blackening the model parts. I also look very much onto who the original guns appeared when being blackened. Do you have any sources of that too? @ Maurice: As always, you pull exactely the source that was in my mind! Bruzelius´great collection of original sources. I edited the titel of the thread to make more precise: How was it done in the old days and especially, how did it look like? Cheers, Daniel

If my memory serves me well, the "paint" for blackening the guns consisted of turpentine, tar, rust, and other components, cooked and applied hot. But I cant find the recipe any more, but I recall it being out of a contemporary source. Any clues where to find that? And coming with that: Any clue how the painted barrels looked like? Glossy brownish shining appearance? Thanks for any enlightenment, Daniel EDIT: Precised Titel

Here both versions side by side, same ship, only 40 years of difference in between ... ... fascinating, as a good friend of mine would say ;-) Got the gun carriages messed and gave a brownisch oil coat to the barrels as some of the ingredients - rust and tar - suggest ... ... and the tompions plain without color, sticking out and not todays fancy thread in the middle, as the artifacts in NMM and museums suggest. Just one try with a line that goes around, but it does not look to convincing. The shoe for the anchor was fixed in the appropriate place and that is the thing for the moment :-) Cheers, Daniel

Sooooooo after some time finally managed to do some new bricotage ... ... fitted the deadeyes ... ... used the revolutionairy Double-Twin-Super-Drive-Technology for grinding the needle heads ... ... put the batten ... ... and it looks even neater than the bits on my Vic :-) Too take this back added some paint and rust ... ... and tomorrow once the paint is well dried, I can take it back a tad and do the finetuning :-) Lieber Gruß, Daniel

... and not to forget the fancy picture of this french 74 ... http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Achille_mp3h9307.jpg Enjoy, Daniel

Hammock plan of the Bedford 1775, around 1790, ZAZ6793 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/86584.html Some of my shots of the Vic: Open and rolled hammocs This one looks rather tiny, is this something else?? In the cable tier The better standard of the sickbay ... ... also to be found in the cabins under the poop. Cheers, Daniel

Somewhere here on the board already posted by someone else, but I do not find the original source, here a copy from the document how the Royal Navy was doing the hammocks (thanks to the original poster!!!) http://files.homepagemodules.de/b564537/f129t1616p17024n2.pdf Two drawings out of Brays Album from NMM PAJ1992 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/mediaLib/400/media-400304/large.jpg PAJ1989 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/mediaLib/676/media-676424/large.jpg This is what Nares, Commander R.N. wrote in 1868 http://archive.org/stream/seamanship00acadgoog#page/n222/mode/2upPage 85 And here the US Navy in 1915 doing it still the same way http://www.filmpreservation.org/preserved-films/screening-room/u-s-navy-documentary-1915 see 8:40 Here 2 stills Gruß, Daniel

Great work, and save trip, looking forward to see you again! Cheers, Daniel

So what would be a dafithread without Dafinism? Already I wondered that nobody did moan, as I did not bolt the channel onto the gunwale but on top of it instead ?!? ... ... ... so dafi does what dafi knows best ... ... DESTRUCTION!!! ... Positively seen, this gave a nice test, if the technic is dafiproof - If I mange to cover up the damages caused by this little action, I am on the right way :-) So fixed the channels on the right hight ... ... coverd the holes with the basic color, first layers with three different shades of brown ... ... and drying-washing of-adding more-and-so-on and it goes the right direction :-) Close enough to the original version, so I am quite happy ;-) XXXDAn

Thank you Kevin, this will be another interesting story. Be shure one day it will come :-) And now something completely different ... Even though I cant tell how much colorisation was done afterwards, two interisting versions of the same photo, possibly HMS Implacable. http://www.napoleon1er.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=342084&sid=ba7bd7589372562542d84e51f725c6f6#p342084 Also nice picture 3, that make my trials look brand new ;-) XXXDAn

Just realised, that one part of the basic research was missing here ... I was researching more about the aging of ships. Unsually we tend to display the ships in a freshly build and painted state. Some bold versions show the ships in quite "wrecked" appearances. But I do believe, that most of their life, the ships were somewhere in between. This made me have a closer look. I chose the following 3 ships, as I knew, that there is quite good documentation in the web. First the Neptune in Genove (Google pictures: Neptune/ship/genova), light wooden hull http://www.flickriver.com/photos/jarmi7d/5044918333/ http://www.flickriver.com/photos/peer_gynt/7655543406/ http://www.wanderingoverland.com/?p=855 http://photo.remgo.com/galeone-neptune/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/peer_gynt/8033111211/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Genova-Porto_antico-DSCF7741.JPG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Genova-Porto_antico-DSCF7743.JPG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neptune_(galleon) Funny to compare the freshly painted version with the neglected one. Nice to see the better condition in protected areas like underneath the channels. Exposed areas like underneath the cathead look much more tattered. Was this also on seagoing ships that extreme or is this more of a harboring effect? But also ships spent long times in harbor do to waiting, winter sleep or being in ordinary. And the Gotheburg (Google: Gotheburg, ship), dark wooden hull http://www.flickr.com/photos/maskofchina/311861497/ http://www.lemback.com/the-swedish-ship-gotheborg/ http://viktordonovan.blogspot.de/2011/07/replica-1745-sailing-ship-in-gothenburg.html http://www.lifeinnorway.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/goteborg13.png http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/62/8002362/3530663266666630.jpg By the dark hull, the effects are not as visible like on the neptune. Funny to see the fresh scratch marks on the whales in some of the pictures Then theHMS Surprise (Google: surprise, rose, san diego), painted hull http://www.panoramio.com/photo_explorer#view=photo&position=185&with_photo_id=13424720&order=date_desc&user=2074768 http://www.flickr.com/photos/arejay/165878016/ http://photos.lomara.org/index.php/camera/sandiego/100_0825 http://www.flickr.com/photos/seaveyfamily/215130447/lightbox/ HMSSurpriseQtrbow800.jpg and my favorites: http://xpda.com/junkmail/junk163/pict9071.jpg http://xpda.com/junkmail/junk163/pict9072.jpg Also here by the degradation of the paint, one can exactly tell which year the picture was taken ;-) The difference in between the fresh and the tattered is amazing. Nice to see bleaching, rust, chipped color, algae on the waterline, patches and so Also do not forget: Ships were build over some period, where the wood was alraedy exposed. So even a brand new ship usually was unlikely to show fresh wood in larger areas. But therefor repaired areas would stick out. On the other side I have never seen the patchwork on deckplanks like often shown in plastic models. Amicalement, Daniel

Here we go again ... The chainwhales/ancor protection fitted ... ... and remembered the wasp-twins. So painted, redrawn the grooves, guide is the plastic stripe from a labeling machine ... ... and treated the bottom one with a diluted blach ink to enhance structures. The top is the usual clean version Casted new iron brackets ... ... and made more mess. Then added some rust, some scupper delicacies, some rust from all the iron work and some chipped color as nicely to be seen on todays Vic. A bit rough at the first moment, but if one consider the ships being out for months on blockade duty, I believe this was not the worst ... And if one looks at the Surprise in San Diego ... http://xpda.com/junkmail/junk163/pict9072.jpg ... surprise, surprise ... Cheers, Daniel

Thank you Mike and Paul. Good hint you gave to the brightwork. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brightwork XXXDAn

Wonderful work, I love it! Daniel PS: Are these THE letters?!?

Hello Mark, Michael, Mike and Robin, thank you all. Mike, are there any contemporary sources confirming this? Is it really a reddish appearence like I expect by name and contemporary violin paints? Cheers, Daniel

So a little bit of basic work. The aim is to explore how a hull could have been looking before the wasp-lines came up. So it should be "paid bright with rosin". Contemporary pictures and models show a light/bright color. If I understand well, it could still have been a bit transparent. In german wikipedia rosin is mentioned to be used for painting violins. Also the sources give rosin diluted with turpetine. Both products are result from distilling resin from special pine trees. Does that mean, that some color was still aded to get the bright look? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turpentine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosin Some contemporary models: http://collections.rmg.co.uk/mediaLib/668/media-668380/large.jpg http://collections.rmg.co.uk/mediaLib/541/media-541666/large.jpg Some contemporary paintings http://collections.rmg.co.uk/mediaLib/484/media-484826/large.jpg http://collectionsonline.nmsi.ac.uk/detail.php?type=related&kv=65421&t=objects http://collectionsonline.nmsi.ac.uk/detail.php?type=related&kv=65431&t=objects Here some pictures that Blue Ensign was showing in another thread, thank you! http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/yourpaintings/paintings/a-sixth-rate-on-the-stocks-173292 http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/yourpaintings/paintings/a-naval-snow-173093 http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/yourpaintings/paintings/ships-in-a-light-breeze-173091 http://www.lanefineart.com/component/virtuemart/shop.product_details/12/flypage_images.tpl/70.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/yourpaintings/paintings/a-naval-brigantine-in-a-calm-sea-173289 Concerning the black marks on the Scuppers. I do not se them in first place as dirt, but much more this kind of nasty black mold, like it happens to get if does not air the shower regularly. The ship was not wet the whole time, harbors, nice weather or calms. The water coming out was for sure not too clean and once this stuff is there it is difficult to get rid off. Interestingly, the paining of the Victory by Monamie Swaine shows some darker vertical lines exactly in the distance the scuppers were. Also the colors were a guideline for may trials. This picture is a bit darker to better show the lines. Back to the pictures of the Neptune: Link # 1 shows the fresh paint, #2 already paler, #3 worse and #5 really fooked. The end is completely pale wood or the black mold growing over the completely hull. Here some more pictures of different woods and paints. But the results are quite common. The paint in a good condition in protected areas and less good in exposed ones. All corners, nails and edges left marks on the wood. Here the deck was painted at one time. In protected areas it is still to be seen. After a long period, the color becomes more uniform. And here some old paint with rust ... Grüßle, Daniel

HAve a look at Jolly Rogers Soleil in the german forum Modellboard. He has one of the best fixes of the bow section I know. Spread over several pages, the pictures tell all. http://www.modellboard.net/index.php?topic=24946.60 XXXDAn

If I understood well, both rosin and turpintine came out off the same ressource: resin of special pine trees. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turpentine After the distillation of the resin the "mixture of diterpenes and triterpenes that is left as residue after turpentine distillation is sold as rosin." Also in the german Wikipedia it is mentioned, that rosin was used as paint for violins, giving this transparent reddish coat. If I look at contemporary models and paintings, it looks to me, as if there was still added some bright paint to it, giving this "bright/pale" appearance. Any ideas about that? Thank you, Daniel

Slowly things are starting to get messy ;-) This state still was too fooked, even though already twice reduced. The casein paint is easily to be gradually removed by wet brush, or if far too much by a wet cloth. Here the collection of paints, large brush, the inlay of a sweets box for mixing ... ... here taking off the paint with brush, pipe cleaner and Q-Tipp, afterwards more paint in different shades, allow extremely weeeeeeeeeel drying and taking the exceed of if necessary. Funnily both samples are coming closer together. Made the marks of the scuppers, the black not only being dirt but also the often seen black rot of the surface and gaps if wood is continuously confronted with wet dirt. And both trials in comparission. And finally the hinges added and integrated with some shades. All the best, Daniel

Wonderful work! I like your results, Daniel