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So we are coming closer to my questions: I think it was Cuck showing some tubing on the head of the HMS Winchelsea (1764) The same is seen on a french model (Royal Louis?) Louterbourg did a drawing of Queen Charlotte in the harbour as a sketch for his painting "Glorious first of June" Funny enough, he shows some explicit quite flimsy tubing from the roundhouses downwards, which also ended up on the final drawing. Question 1: As I never saw this before, could this be a harbor fitting, as the cleaning of the waves was missing? (And accidentally ending up on a painting of a high sea action?) Question 2: Which were the ranks to use the roundhouses? Non commissioned officers? Question 3: Were there also ropes trailing the water on the heads for cleaning reasons? Qustion 4: How were the upper seats in the quarter Gallery discharged? Wooden chute or led tubes downwards? Thank you for your attention for a smelly topic of ill reputation, Daniel

Not included in the calculation are the roundhouses for the lower officers ... ... and the quarter galleries for the higher ranks ... ... and the uncounted amount of buckets all over the decks for days with bad waether - Bucket and chuck-it :-) In the quarter galleries the places were nicely defined who had his own seating place with a view and who had to share. This already showed in the layout of the bulkheads dividing the officers mess. On drawings of the early dutch, plenty of tassels are hanging on different locations on the heads and the galleries: To clean bums and buckets? (Thanx for Pollux for the pics) On the Victory in Portsmouth one still can see an armchair on display with build in potty for the eminences on board. To get all the merde away from the structural parts, there was a small chute or some tubes. Here the slide of my Vic: Also great the build-in waterflushing - every good wave counts ... Also for some time, there were small cabins on the main channels, that I can´t imagin any other reason for.

As an introduction to some shxtty questions of mine I would like to recapitulate some thoughts that I already showed in my building report. It started with bringing the seats of ease into the right proportions. In the front the one delivered with the kit, behind some better proportions. Now they are even big enough for two backsides side by side without the danger of being trailed for sodomy ;-) And in summer even with the shade of a cosy mariners walk. This lead me to some small intriguing thoughts ... ... with 800 men crew and 6 seats we get this optimized calculation: 800 men (NCO) / 6 seats gives 133 men/seat In a optimized 24 hours use using all seats we get the following numbers: 24 hours = 1440 minutes 1440 minutes / 133 men = 10,5 minutes/man per day. This means no second wasted and the next user always stand by. If you take account of that not the whole day it is possible to have this steady usage because of time, scedules and weather, the usage time per person sinks dramatically. If I remember well, constipation was widely spread, which leads to longer men mean residence time. So the conclusion is, that the heads, regarding the weather, daytime and service schedule, could possibly be a quite crowded place at certain moments. This account only includes the "big business". There still would be some persons too to be expected at the heads for the "small business", if they are not preferring hanging out in the shrouds (leewards): One hand for the ship and one hand for yourself - now that line is finally understood. A quick research in German Law and regulations indicates the following: Puplic Law of the State of lower Saxony defines that for a leisure event of 800 visitors the calculation should be: 800:100 x 0,8 = 7 seated toilets and 800:100 x 1,2 = 10 urinals (always rounded) The Law of Working Spaces "Arbeitsstätten-Richtlinie, ArbStätt 5.037.1, vom 26. Juni 1976 (ArbSch. 9/1976 S. 322)" defines that for 250 employes one needs 10 seated toilets and 10 urinals, that means more than double for 800 employees. In a converse argument that leads to the conclusion: For a working place the ship should have 5 times more seated toilets and this leads to - that by the number of seats - the ship must be a leisure event - Join the Navy - see the better world! Sehr geehrter Gruß, Ihr treuergebener Diener most sincerely, your humble servant, dafi

I I am not mistaken the fore boom is hooked into a ringbolt in between the cathead and the fore channel and is stowed with the spare spars in the waist. Like this you do not interfere the anchors too much. Much more interested where the downholding tackles were fixed. Ringbolt beside a gunport? Gunport itself? XXXDAn

Look at these photographs :-) HMS Marlborough/Göthebourg/Plover with Jibs used as stun´sails :-)

Looking forward to it! And this topic is even something one can get a prize for :-) http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ipmsstockholm.se%2Fhome%2Fmanadens-modellbyggare-februari%2F The winner was: 8. Jonas Dalberg, warship Sword in scale 1/100, 72 points Daniel

Great to see things moving!!! Love it, Daniel

ROFL!!! THAT is so true!!! Daniel

Yes, it was standard procedure to lash up the stun sail booms, as they were in the way http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/127895.html XXXDAn

Thank you, the compliment was some 800 excluding officers. But wasn´t it during the day times, when no hammocks were in use? Have to make a rough estimate once home how many hammocks could be provided using this pattern. Daniel

Here we go, just fixed the first version of the cranes, nettings and hammocks in my report: #335 As I always see this as a chance to try out things and to use it to verify the results here the thoughts that arose: The thickness of the hammock is orientated onto the films of the US navy of 1915 which should be near the RN-results. The crane has exactly the double of the thickness of the hammock, so this too makes sense respectively the U-shape bending of the hammock. The question that was asked in my german forum is: Is this correct as there is faaaaaar less then 800 hammocks fitting onto the decks. The fo´castle has 35 each side in this version. Where were the other ones stowed? Daniel

Thank you Mark, B.E., Robin and Popeye :-) Very appreciated! Yes Popeye, those are the cranes from my own etch part series (some subliminal advertising) :-) These are even not painted but only blackened using the normal Krick blackener. I use this one on all the brass parts (apart from assembly instructions) as it provides a good base for painting and avoids shiny gaps where the color did not end up. All the best, Daniel

... and the most tricky, cleaning up the top edge with some fine and sharp nail scissors - without cutting the top rope! Looks intriguing enough :-) And another fascinating task, painting the hammocks using my beloved casein paints with all kind of whiter shades of pale ... ... looking if the colors work if hidden behind the netting ... ... some differentiation with some more different shades of ochre ... ... put in place ... ... gently and pushed in :-) Fascinating! And as you see on the left - the Tic-Tac would not fit in :-) Good night and sleep well, Daniel

So far so good, but the next part was a bit scary ... ... you remember, on the heads and in the fighting tops I already tried some netting. But it was quite ridgit and I knew not what would come out now. So put the gaze into a cardboard frame ... ... and painted nicely with beige, added some plain white and dirtied it with very diluted black ink. Easy to see how the appearance became more homogenous. Then did a test fit and realised how the holes got stuck on the hammock cranes ... ... but it looked ok so far. Some test handling on the outside ... ... proved that the netting should curl outside instead of inside. Then introduced some papers as introduction help and introducing the netting was no subject of getting stuck any more :-) Got the front paper out, adjusted the height towards the rope ... ... and glued with CA the netting onto the rope . Then used the hammocks to press down the netting ... ... pulled out the back paper and also the hammocks, used pincers to hold rope and netting together and used CA to fix. Then cut the side length ...

Great idea, just make sure, that the legs wont flip in while working! XXXDAn

Hello Popeye and Kevin, the height is 1,5 mm, the thickness is 0,2 mm :-) Yes there were on the stern too: #296 And here the ones from Royal George', that sank in 1782: http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/63420.html http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/102769.html XXXDAn

Thank you Lawrence, "seam to apply them so easily" it just seems so, I already was breaking my mind for some months with this topic before I started working and still things came out totally different than expected - even not to mention the affair with "Kevins wabbits beans". It is always a bit of a darkride like typing some unknown numbers of a telefonbook and making the best out of the conversations that comes along ... The marks are 1,5 mm in hight :-) All the best, Daniel

Thank you Grant and Eddie, I promise to not spoil you with my cakes ;-) The good thing on such a complex model is, if you do not have too much time, there is always a small corner that fits to the time slot :-) XXXDAn

No Kevin, the netting is just omitted until now as it is the last thing to be fixed for modeling reasons. It is always there, with hammocks, without (as seen in Portsmouth) and even when the protecting covers are over the hammock cranes. XXXDAn

Thank you Antispiral, B.E., Dan, Popeye and Mark :-) But the starter came out fast and swift and afterwards the hammocks looked much more tidy, especially on the bottom :-) XXXDAn PS: The cranes are bend open for easier handling and black lines of the lashing are mere orientation for me and are not meant to stay.

Do not worry Andy, I did not steal Kevins properties ;-) This is how it looks if Fimo/Milliput is baked with 230° Celsius instead of 110° as blind dafi got confused by the english temperature beside the german writing and vica versa ... ... nicely black and blown up ... .... so got the Fimo out again ... ... first the ball, then the thick sausage, then a medium sausage of 4 mm with the use of a small sheet with 4 mm spacers, and then the thin sausage of 3 mm with the flipside ot the tool with 3 mm spacers. Afterwards I used a "comb" with small wires in 2 mm distance to roll in the 7 lashings representing the 7 seas ... ... then bent the parts, distributed it on the oven plate and baked on the right tempersture. Funny to see the bloated black been beside. And I got a nice stack of rolled hammocks :-) Then filed the touching surfaces ... ... glued the parts together while paying tribute to gravity in the middle of the nettings. This is still the rough version, paint will be easy, but the netting will still need some fiddling around to be figured out properly ... All the best, Daniel

Thank you for your intrest and your great support! ...hihihihihihi... ...hohohohohoho... ... looks like dafi entered the coffee roasting business too ... ...hihihihihi... XXXDAn

Wonderful work, Daniel

Hello wefalck, the best material I found so far is a tulle from the craftshop for decorating presents and flowers. it comes in 50 mm width. The tulle from the cloth department usually has a hexagonal shape and is therefor not a very good choice. Luckily this one has the needed square/rhombic shape but is a little bit sturdy and difficult to color. I already did some tests on the heads and it proved to be quite good down there. I made a jig to give it a frame and to paint it properly. Afterwards it was sewed on. It gets a bit the wanted unevenness of the original. Also applied on the fighting tops. But I do not know yet how this will be applied on the hammock cranes properly, still have to use my brains a tad ... Amicalement, Daniel

Thank you all, so finally a new version, 30 cm diameter and 180 cm length. And the bend shows up - great hint from wefalck for no rain or spray can be collected in there. Looking more reasonably? XXXDAn PS: Just to make shure: The netting is still missing on purpose ;-)