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... and not to forget the fancy picture of this french 74 ... http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Achille_mp3h9307.jpg Enjoy, Daniel

Hammock plan of the Bedford 1775, around 1790, ZAZ6793 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/86584.html Some of my shots of the Vic: Open and rolled hammocs This one looks rather tiny, is this something else?? In the cable tier The better standard of the sickbay ... ... also to be found in the cabins under the poop. Cheers, Daniel

Somewhere here on the board already posted by someone else, but I do not find the original source, here a copy from the document how the Royal Navy was doing the hammocks (thanks to the original poster!!!) http://files.homepagemodules.de/b564537/f129t1616p17024n2.pdf Two drawings out of Brays Album from NMM PAJ1992 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/mediaLib/400/media-400304/large.jpg PAJ1989 http://collections.rmg.co.uk/mediaLib/676/media-676424/large.jpg This is what Nares, Commander R.N. wrote in 1868 http://archive.org/stream/seamanship00acadgoog#page/n222/mode/2upPage 85 And here the US Navy in 1915 doing it still the same way http://www.filmpreservation.org/preserved-films/screening-room/u-s-navy-documentary-1915 see 8:40 Here 2 stills Gruß, Daniel

Great work, and save trip, looking forward to see you again! Cheers, Daniel

So what would be a dafithread without Dafinism? Already I wondered that nobody did moan, as I did not bolt the channel onto the gunwale but on top of it instead ?!? ... ... ... so dafi does what dafi knows best ... ... DESTRUCTION!!! ... Positively seen, this gave a nice test, if the technic is dafiproof - If I mange to cover up the damages caused by this little action, I am on the right way :-) So fixed the channels on the right hight ... ... coverd the holes with the basic color, first layers with three different shades of brown ... ... and drying-washing of-adding more-and-so-on and it goes the right direction :-) Close enough to the original version, so I am quite happy ;-) XXXDAn

Thank you Kevin, this will be another interesting story. Be shure one day it will come :-) And now something completely different ... Even though I cant tell how much colorisation was done afterwards, two interisting versions of the same photo, possibly HMS Implacable. http://www.napoleon1er.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=342084&sid=ba7bd7589372562542d84e51f725c6f6#p342084 Also nice picture 3, that make my trials look brand new ;-) XXXDAn

Just realised, that one part of the basic research was missing here ... I was researching more about the aging of ships. Unsually we tend to display the ships in a freshly build and painted state. Some bold versions show the ships in quite "wrecked" appearances. But I do believe, that most of their life, the ships were somewhere in between. This made me have a closer look. I chose the following 3 ships, as I knew, that there is quite good documentation in the web. First the Neptune in Genove (Google pictures: Neptune/ship/genova), light wooden hull http://www.flickriver.com/photos/jarmi7d/5044918333/ http://www.flickriver.com/photos/peer_gynt/7655543406/ http://www.wanderingoverland.com/?p=855 http://photo.remgo.com/galeone-neptune/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/peer_gynt/8033111211/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Genova-Porto_antico-DSCF7741.JPG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Genova-Porto_antico-DSCF7743.JPG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neptune_(galleon) Funny to compare the freshly painted version with the neglected one. Nice to see the better condition in protected areas like underneath the channels. Exposed areas like underneath the cathead look much more tattered. Was this also on seagoing ships that extreme or is this more of a harboring effect? But also ships spent long times in harbor do to waiting, winter sleep or being in ordinary. And the Gotheburg (Google: Gotheburg, ship), dark wooden hull http://www.flickr.com/photos/maskofchina/311861497/ http://www.lemback.com/the-swedish-ship-gotheborg/ http://viktordonovan.blogspot.de/2011/07/replica-1745-sailing-ship-in-gothenburg.html http://www.lifeinnorway.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/goteborg13.png http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/62/8002362/3530663266666630.jpg By the dark hull, the effects are not as visible like on the neptune. Funny to see the fresh scratch marks on the whales in some of the pictures Then theHMS Surprise (Google: surprise, rose, san diego), painted hull http://www.panoramio.com/photo_explorer#view=photo&position=185&with_photo_id=13424720&order=date_desc&user=2074768 http://www.flickr.com/photos/arejay/165878016/ http://photos.lomara.org/index.php/camera/sandiego/100_0825 http://www.flickr.com/photos/seaveyfamily/215130447/lightbox/ HMSSurpriseQtrbow800.jpg and my favorites: http://xpda.com/junkmail/junk163/pict9071.jpg http://xpda.com/junkmail/junk163/pict9072.jpg Also here by the degradation of the paint, one can exactly tell which year the picture was taken ;-) The difference in between the fresh and the tattered is amazing. Nice to see bleaching, rust, chipped color, algae on the waterline, patches and so Also do not forget: Ships were build over some period, where the wood was alraedy exposed. So even a brand new ship usually was unlikely to show fresh wood in larger areas. But therefor repaired areas would stick out. On the other side I have never seen the patchwork on deckplanks like often shown in plastic models. Amicalement, Daniel

Here we go again ... The chainwhales/ancor protection fitted ... ... and remembered the wasp-twins. So painted, redrawn the grooves, guide is the plastic stripe from a labeling machine ... ... and treated the bottom one with a diluted blach ink to enhance structures. The top is the usual clean version Casted new iron brackets ... ... and made more mess. Then added some rust, some scupper delicacies, some rust from all the iron work and some chipped color as nicely to be seen on todays Vic. A bit rough at the first moment, but if one consider the ships being out for months on blockade duty, I believe this was not the worst ... And if one looks at the Surprise in San Diego ... http://xpda.com/junkmail/junk163/pict9072.jpg ... surprise, surprise ... Cheers, Daniel

Thank you Mike and Paul. Good hint you gave to the brightwork. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brightwork XXXDAn

Wonderful work, I love it! Daniel PS: Are these THE letters?!?

Hello Mark, Michael, Mike and Robin, thank you all. Mike, are there any contemporary sources confirming this? Is it really a reddish appearence like I expect by name and contemporary violin paints? Cheers, Daniel

So a little bit of basic work. The aim is to explore how a hull could have been looking before the wasp-lines came up. So it should be "paid bright with rosin". Contemporary pictures and models show a light/bright color. If I understand well, it could still have been a bit transparent. In german wikipedia rosin is mentioned to be used for painting violins. Also the sources give rosin diluted with turpetine. Both products are result from distilling resin from special pine trees. Does that mean, that some color was still aded to get the bright look? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turpentine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosin Some contemporary models: http://collections.rmg.co.uk/mediaLib/668/media-668380/large.jpg http://collections.rmg.co.uk/mediaLib/541/media-541666/large.jpg Some contemporary paintings http://collections.rmg.co.uk/mediaLib/484/media-484826/large.jpg http://collectionsonline.nmsi.ac.uk/detail.php?type=related&kv=65421&t=objects http://collectionsonline.nmsi.ac.uk/detail.php?type=related&kv=65431&t=objects Here some pictures that Blue Ensign was showing in another thread, thank you! http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/yourpaintings/paintings/a-sixth-rate-on-the-stocks-173292 http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/yourpaintings/paintings/a-naval-snow-173093 http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/yourpaintings/paintings/ships-in-a-light-breeze-173091 http://www.lanefineart.com/component/virtuemart/shop.product_details/12/flypage_images.tpl/70.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/yourpaintings/paintings/a-naval-brigantine-in-a-calm-sea-173289 Concerning the black marks on the Scuppers. I do not se them in first place as dirt, but much more this kind of nasty black mold, like it happens to get if does not air the shower regularly. The ship was not wet the whole time, harbors, nice weather or calms. The water coming out was for sure not too clean and once this stuff is there it is difficult to get rid off. Interestingly, the paining of the Victory by Monamie Swaine shows some darker vertical lines exactly in the distance the scuppers were. Also the colors were a guideline for may trials. This picture is a bit darker to better show the lines. Back to the pictures of the Neptune: Link # 1 shows the fresh paint, #2 already paler, #3 worse and #5 really fooked. The end is completely pale wood or the black mold growing over the completely hull. Here some more pictures of different woods and paints. But the results are quite common. The paint in a good condition in protected areas and less good in exposed ones. All corners, nails and edges left marks on the wood. Here the deck was painted at one time. In protected areas it is still to be seen. After a long period, the color becomes more uniform. And here some old paint with rust ... Grüßle, Daniel

HAve a look at Jolly Rogers Soleil in the german forum Modellboard. He has one of the best fixes of the bow section I know. Spread over several pages, the pictures tell all. http://www.modellboard.net/index.php?topic=24946.60 XXXDAn

If I understood well, both rosin and turpintine came out off the same ressource: resin of special pine trees. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turpentine After the distillation of the resin the "mixture of diterpenes and triterpenes that is left as residue after turpentine distillation is sold as rosin." Also in the german Wikipedia it is mentioned, that rosin was used as paint for violins, giving this transparent reddish coat. If I look at contemporary models and paintings, it looks to me, as if there was still added some bright paint to it, giving this "bright/pale" appearance. Any ideas about that? Thank you, Daniel

Slowly things are starting to get messy ;-) This state still was too fooked, even though already twice reduced. The casein paint is easily to be gradually removed by wet brush, or if far too much by a wet cloth. Here the collection of paints, large brush, the inlay of a sweets box for mixing ... ... here taking off the paint with brush, pipe cleaner and Q-Tipp, afterwards more paint in different shades, allow extremely weeeeeeeeeel drying and taking the exceed of if necessary. Funnily both samples are coming closer together. Made the marks of the scuppers, the black not only being dirt but also the often seen black rot of the surface and gaps if wood is continuously confronted with wet dirt. And both trials in comparission. And finally the hinges added and integrated with some shades. All the best, Daniel

Wonderful work! I like your results, Daniel

Hallo Gary, thank you very much. The usual place on the lower decks was as far as I know in between the deck beams. As the hammock hooks were a bit lower, I do not see a bigger problem. Also the lanyards for the gun-port lids were on the beams. For the upper and quarter deck guns I do not know if they were stowed on the bulwarks or somewhere else. The etch parts are my own and will be available in a short time :-) Details will follow. XXXDAn

As usual the great, skillful and well crafted work of yours! Loveto see it :-) All the best, Daniel

And now the weekend´s results ... Two new hull pieces of the 1805 version and the applied parts... ... first the origials, then the copies and with the molds. Nice to ee the differences in the colors, position of the channels, the anchor protections and the timberheads. Grüßle, Daniel

Or simply protection reasons? XXXDAn

The most difficuklt task for me: waaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiitiiiiing until the paint gets dry enough ... more trials with the casein paint ... ... and oil paint diluted with original Zippo lighter fuel. And it looks much different now. Also see some small thoughts about "As times go by" ... http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1593-as-time-goes-by-how-do-ships-age/#entry33202 XXXDAn

Thanks B.E. :-) Do not forget the repairs done on sea. Plenty of reports in the logs. If my memory serves me well, Captain Mars complaint shortly in his log that "rain spilled the fresh paint" (Not to mention the french broadside that spilt more shortly after including his life, source: "The voices of Trafalgar") As I do not expect the paints having the same color qualities as today, I guess for a very patchworky appearence in repainted areas. DAniel

For my small side project I was researching about the aging of ships. Unsually we tend to display the ships in a freshly build and painted state. Some bold versions show the ships in quite "wrecked" appearances. But I do believe, that most of their life, the ships were somewhere in between. This made me have a closer look. I chose the following 3 ships, as I knew, that there is quite good documentation in the web. First the Neptune in Genove (Google pictures: Neptune/ship/genova), light wooden hull http://www.flickriver.com/photos/jarmi7d/5044918333/ http://www.flickriver.com/photos/peer_gynt/7655543406/ http://www.wanderingoverland.com/?p=855 http://photo.remgo.com/galeone-neptune/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/peer_gynt/8033111211/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Genova-Porto_antico-DSCF7741.JPG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Genova-Porto_antico-DSCF7743.JPG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neptune_(galleon) Funny to compare the freshly painted version with the neglected one. Nice to see the better condition in protected areas like underneath the channels. Exposed areas like underneath the cathead look much more tattered. Was this also on seagoing ships that extreme or is this more of a harboring effect? But also ships spent long times in harbor do to waiting, winter sleep or being in ordinary. And the Gotheburg (Google: Gotheburg, ship), dark wooden hull http://www.flickr.com/photos/maskofchina/311861497/ http://www.lemback.com/the-swedish-ship-gotheborg/ http://viktordonovan.blogspot.de/2011/07/replica-1745-sailing-ship-in-gothenburg.html http://www.lifeinnorway.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/goteborg13.png http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/62/8002362/3530663266666630.jpg By the dark hull, the effects are not as visible like on the neptune. Funny to see the fresh scratch marks on the whales in some of the pictures Then theHMS Surprise (Google: surprise, rose, san diego), painted hull http://www.panoramio.com/photo_explorer#view=photo&position=185&with_photo_id=13424720&order=date_desc&user=2074768 http://www.flickr.com/photos/arejay/165878016/ http://photos.lomara.org/index.php/camera/sandiego/100_0825 http://www.flickr.com/photos/seaveyfamily/215130447/lightbox/ HMSSurpriseQtrbow800.jpg and my favorites: http://xpda.com/junkmail/junk163/pict9071.jpg http://xpda.com/junkmail/junk163/pict9072.jpg Also here by the degradation of the paint, one can exactly tell which year the picture was taken ;-) The difference in between the fresh and the tattered is amazing. Nice to see bleaching, rust, chipped color, algae on the waterline, patches and so Also do not forget: Ships were build over some period, where the wood was alraedy exposed. So even a brand new ship usually was unlikely to show fresh wood in larger areas. But therefor repaired areas would stick out. On the other side I have never seen the patchwork on deckplanks like often shown in plastic models. Amicalement, Daniel

Wonderful and interesting project :-) Ciao, Daniel

The tulle has much more the problem, that it is to rigid ... There is hexagonal ones which should be avoided and the square/diamond shape ones, which are much more suitable. As they are polyester, they are neither fluffy or fuzzy but difficult to colorise. Markers work well and fast, but do not know how long this lasts. For my small scale it worked well, I introduced a small frame to ease fixing and painting. #102 The garlic nets i tried too, but they are too unstable in the form as they are elastic. All the best, Daniel