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Cruizer-class Brig-Sloops of the Royal Navy
dafi replied to molasses's topic in Nautical/Naval History
Great research and great read!!! Love it :-) On another place we had a discussion about the dates of the first two ships of the class. HMS Cruizer 1797 HMS Snake 1797/1798 Wikipedia gives the ordering date of both vessels on 19 December 1796 and the launch for Snake 18 December 1797 and Cruizer 20 December 1797. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruizer_class_brig-sloop Two things: Many sources give the launch date for Snake in 1798 and also, if Snake was launched earlier, why is it not called Snake Class? Any information about these mysteries that are most possibly linked? Thank you, Daniel -
Hello Robin, please do not regret as it was great input :-) I added Thomas Ender´s in the earlier picture, thank you for the hint! There is a second similar picture existing which also shows this wealth of great details that you mentioned. Thank you all for your replies and to make me feel not to be the only one being interested to the side topics of historical seamanship! Daniel
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Shrouds, hammock cranes and how to climb up
dafi replied to dafi's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
Thank you B.E. and ST, yes, this is a fitting on a french build frigate and maintained by the austrians in an italian style ;-) XXXDAn -
Just was posting this picture in another place and realised the hammocs on this drawing of Thomas ender of 1817 on the austrian frigate Austria Also diagonally as shown in the models.. Nice to see the lashings. Daniel
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Shrouds, hammock cranes and how to climb up
dafi replied to dafi's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
Exactely, but do consider, there are no guns on the poop ... It would mean to climb over the not too stable hammock cranes and nettings, and then - standing on this flexible structure - still having to cross the gap as the shrouds are more outwards. Does not sound too practical. On top of it, there are often the boats of the side davits being secured/lashed to the mizzen shrouds, which makes the passage there rather tricky. In the picture of the first entry of this thread one can see two small jacob ladders attached to the main shrouds coming down to the deck. A very logical thing to have. The earliest proof I found was this picture of 1817. It would be logical to be introduced much earlier. Are there earlier signs of this? Cheers, DAniel -
Working on the hammock cranes of my 1805 Victory, I was surprised by the heights. Most of them chin-level, just enough to put a gun onto, but even difficult to shoot downwards. On pictures it is easy to see the hight of the cranes especially at the side of the poop stairs. One question arose: How did they enter the main and mizzen shrouds ?!? Did they already have jacobs ladders as seen some years later? Especially the mizzen shrouds, that still had the davids and the boats lashed onto? Austrian fregate Austria 1817 on its way to Brasil. Daniel
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After trying first all the difficult parts, I took the hammock cranes for easy play. Drill holes, plug and play :-) Not too exciting ... ... worked well so far, as expected. On the thin rail at the end of the waist the cranes go down to the deck ... ... the poop´s edge with it´s different cranes ... ... and holy cow ....: There are some cranes left in the plate!?! Where were they from?!? Looked and searched and found the black ones on the poop rail to be wrong and too short :-( Put the right one beside but looked strangely high ... ... what´s wrong ?!? Called for Mr Wright and it was immediately clear, what was wrong:. The height of the higher cranes on the rail is wright, It prooved the cranes on the poops side being too low, pictures of the Vic and McKay confirmed ... ... so I can redraw that area of the plates to gain some 4 mm. Just to make sure, I did send Mr Wright to the other cranes and rails ... ... but it looked good over there :-) Amicalement, Daniel
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It was quite common by the artists to exaggerate the height of the decks :-) Nicely to be seen on the painting of Nelon´s Death ... But a lot of details can be noticed and if one takes the lowest common divisor it gives an idea about how it could have been. XXXDAn
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Here are some scetches out off NMM: http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/103234.html http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/126522.html http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/126516.html http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/200175.html http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/127873.html http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/127877.html http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/127878.html http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/68390.html http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/68393.html http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/68396.html http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/86681.html http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/83237.html http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/79886.html http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/79887.html http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/108967.html http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/127888.html http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/127865.html http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66743.html http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/200768.html http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/12610.html Daniel
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Thank you B.E., what a mess they had back there ;-) Brian, see here - Diet: http://www.hms-victory.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=73&Itemid=476 Calf’s foot jelly - simply delicious, one has to try :-) XXXDAb
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Was the size of the trays of square meals regulated? I believe it was more or less half the depth of the table and so it could be variying upon the space available? In the pictures and drawings they appear to have about 40 cm in size http://www.flickr.com/photos/58679007@N00/5700633764/in/photostream/ Thank you, Daniel Edit: Enlarged the titel as some aspects of the mess fit nicely.
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Belaying Pins
dafi replied to allanyed's topic in Discussion for a Ship's Deck Furniture, Guns, boats and other Fittings
In this scale one could also try the method described by Reed: a short bit of wire and some white glue. As I cut of the ones provided on my build, I had to do some new ones in 1:100 ... ... some wire, put in a stand, some white glue to form a drop on the top and some paint spilt over it. All exactly 4 mm long, just standing a little bit messy in the stand. Things got stuck together - pins with rail and pins-rail-mast together with trial poop deck ... Worked very well, if the wire is not too soft, also quite stabele to rig. Daniel -
HMS Victory by Sven - FINISHED - 1:600 scale
dafi replied to Sven's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1751 - 1800
Wonderful!!! XXXDAn -
Been there Jan, done that ... ... thats the one I had done from the parts of the box ... ... and that is how it looked like before ... ... just the little knobs missing that I cut off to get a bending template. Much more a good magnifying glass is needed :-) XXXDAn
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It feels great to be back in the shipyard after some absence due to work and holiday. So got my building report out of page 47 and undusted it ... A friend of mine once said, it is no etch, if it doesn´t hurt, so I tried one of the last parts, with some tiny lilies ... ... but I think they still need some water to grow a tad ... :-) XXXDAn
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Mark, you old flatterer :-) And of course I have to like this, but Willi is still far beyond :-) The only modeler I know who build a 1:1 waterline model with full rigging ... Thank you SkechupModeller. This solved one thing I was thinking long for already. Daniel
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Thank you Mark, I was in Austria, near my favorite place in the secret austrian ship yards where I already discovered the SMS Trinkstein ... http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/349-sms-trinkstein-by-dafi-sos-stone-on-soil-flush-deck-frigate-of-the-austrian-mountain-navy/ This time I meet sone austrian forum comrades and visited the Go Modelling exhibition. Very few sailing ships, the ones shown mostely made out of paper which took me some time to discover, that perfect they were :-) Highlight were the Royal Oak in the Heeresgeschichtliches Museum Wien (Army Museum Vienna) and the York of Willi Meischel, which I had the honor to meet on his place. http://www.schifferlbauer.at/seite64.html http://www.schifferlbauer.at/seite16.html http://www.schifferlbauer.at/seite17.html http://www.schifferlbauer.at/seite18.html http://www.schifferlbauer.at/seite19.html Enjoy, Daniel
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Nice to see things moving here :-) All the best, Daniel
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Hello Jan, just back from a holiday, so the answer a bit late. Thank you for your comment. Both versions base on a 0,4 mm diameter, which is near the real thing. Just the etch has a square form and so always appears a tad thicker if seen from diagonally. The lengths of the middle parts of my etch ones have still to be shortened a bit. I think no etch can beat a self- made version out of round wire on this place, but it is a question of ability and endurance and of course of convenience which version one does prefer for his own build. But it is far better than the original Heller version, which one was - has to admit - innovative and a big step forward in sailing ship model making by the time that the kit was released! Liebe Grüße, Daniel
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As always: intriguing to watch, impeccable execution and stunning result :-) And the most important: thank you for showing your know-how!!! Liebe Grüße, Daniel
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Always an enormous pleasure to see your Build, Daniel
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A serving machine that serves you well
dafi replied to dafi's topic in Modeling tools and Workshop Equipment
Thank you Sirs, @p2s: Not shown here, but easily done when needed. :-) Daniel -
Hello Jay, looks like my earlier post didn´t make it to the front end ... These drills I use are from Proxxon/Dremmel accessories department. There are the same kind from the DIY department stores, but they are inferior quality. Daniel
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...hihihihi... ...good night goody ... ...and the one I was most curious for: Grüßle, Daniel
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