Chuck

Thats not needed...most folks are good people.  They wouldnt do those things.  Those that would.....these types of agreements wouldnt matter.  If you post anything on the internet...beware of where it may end up.  Its really simple.  There is no way to protect yourself from crooks and evil people.  If you post any documents make sure you list your name and copyright.  Other then that...posting is open for all that "suck" to do their selfish deeds.  I have seen so many people ripped off (including myself) it is painful.   But those that are caught will be banned immediately from this site.
 
Chuck

No thanks....I prefer to use my Uncle Pauly....
 
If someone posts something that is copyright...we are really good about that.  We almost immediately remove it.  I am not worried about that.  Most folks are reasonable and after talking to the original author we would certainly remove it.  Its folks stealing stuff that hard to deal with...But my uncle said its real easy....he starts with the pinkies.
 
Chuck

Thats not needed...most folks are good people.  They wouldnt do those things.  Those that would.....these types of agreements wouldnt matter.  If you post anything on the internet...beware of where it may end up.  Its really simple.  There is no way to protect yourself from crooks and evil people.  If you post any documents make sure you list your name and copyright.  Other then that...posting is open for all that "suck" to do their selfish deeds.  I have seen so many people ripped off (including myself) it is painful.   But those that are caught will be banned immediately from this site.
 
Chuck

In seriousness.
 
The images used as examples are not infringing on copyrights. As none of them, in their context, are being passed off as the authors but rather a reference to the original.
 
Now, had someone posted a picture of a completed ship and posted it under the headline - look at my latest ship! Making us all believe that the ship and the photo was theirs;  that would be dipping into copyright murkiness.
 
Also, taking a photo of a box is not breaking copyright; mainly because the photo is yours - you took the picture, and the box is (as Mark pointed out) advertising the ship which you are about to build.  No company is going to complain about that.  However, if you took the contents of the box, removed the box (because you would have to be silly not to in order to try this) and said,  look at the parts I made to build my ship!   NOW we are into stealing someone elses work =)
 
Guess that is just a wordy way to try to help clarify fair use.   Pretty much as long as you are not making money or noteriety off the picture or work, passing the image or work off as your own original work, or using the picture or work in  a harmful manner to the original owner - they really are not going to make much a fuss over it as it doesn't benefit them and costs money for nor reason.
 
Another very large misconception to the interwebs, and I have been doing this a long long long .. oh my gosh a long time...while techincally internet copyright CAN be enforced; it rarely is as it is incredibly cost prohibitive.  If you really want to protect your work - watermark it,  just make sure you use a GOOD watermark, because watermarks are not hard to remove unless you make it hard to remove. 
 
This is why the majority of the time if someone is really bothered by it they send a cease and desist letter which in most cases ends it right then and there.  Then escalate it if it is financially profitable in some way. Which to major companies with money to spare tend to escalate it to the end more so than your average joe as they are protecting their copyright which in the long run is financially viable.
 
You also run into the hardship of enforcing it overseas.   How many copyright infringement claims have you seen won against foreign countries?  Not many because most do not care about copyright laws except their own.
 
So,  it is great to bring it up.  It is good for folks to be aware. However, in reality, it is a post at your own risk kind of internet world   Where the villains have the upper hand, and the good guys are happy being the good guys
 
Enjoy!
-Adam

I split and moved the discussion to its own topic...I hope I dis this right and didnt lose any in the process....anyway
 
Hope you guys dont mind but it was getting near two pages of discussion on the log.
 
Please continue.....
 
Chuck

No thanks....I prefer to use my Uncle Pauly....
 
If someone posts something that is copyright...we are really good about that.  We almost immediately remove it.  I am not worried about that.  Most folks are reasonable and after talking to the original author we would certainly remove it.  Its folks stealing stuff that hard to deal with...But my uncle said its real easy....he starts with the pinkies.
 
Chuck

Thats not needed...most folks are good people.  They wouldnt do those things.  Those that would.....these types of agreements wouldnt matter.  If you post anything on the internet...beware of where it may end up.  Its really simple.  There is no way to protect yourself from crooks and evil people.  If you post any documents make sure you list your name and copyright.  Other then that...posting is open for all that "suck" to do their selfish deeds.  I have seen so many people ripped off (including myself) it is painful.   But those that are caught will be banned immediately from this site.
 
Chuck

No thanks....I prefer to use my Uncle Pauly....
 
If someone posts something that is copyright...we are really good about that.  We almost immediately remove it.  I am not worried about that.  Most folks are reasonable and after talking to the original author we would certainly remove it.  Its folks stealing stuff that hard to deal with...But my uncle said its real easy....he starts with the pinkies.
 
Chuck

You Uncle Pauly must work in the same field as my Uncle Guido...Guido is actually a kneecap specialist

It's interesting to think about this.  I consider the Internet to be the "Wild West" - when I put something out there, I lose control of it and what happens to it from there, so I don't put out things that I don't want the whole world to know about.  I like the idea of license statement up front, but I suspect there would be no enforcement (nor would I expect any) so it would have more symbolic value than any practical purpose.
 
Bob

Thats not needed...most folks are good people.  They wouldnt do those things.  Those that would.....these types of agreements wouldnt matter.  If you post anything on the internet...beware of where it may end up.  Its really simple.  There is no way to protect yourself from crooks and evil people.  If you post any documents make sure you list your name and copyright.  Other then that...posting is open for all that "suck" to do their selfish deeds.  I have seen so many people ripped off (including myself) it is painful.   But those that are caught will be banned immediately from this site.
 
Chuck

I originally started my build log on 21 December 2012.  I know this because I started it with “Thankfully
the world did not end today, so I can proceed. I would hate to get halfway into it only to go “POOF””  Well, apparently
it took a little longer but ‘the world’ ended and we now get to put it back together.  Thank heaven for notes!!!!  If
anybody is taking a gander here before taking on this project I hope to provide
some helpful thoughts and observations. 
 
    This project involves the Model Shipways ‘18th Century Longboat”.   It’s a great project.  It appears to be simple and somewhat straight forward but the planking makes it a challenge.  This is a single layer planking with both interior and exterior exposed to view.  The planking is quite thin, leaving very little room for error.  This is an excellent model to hone your planking skills.  Plans are excellent.
 
    Once your ‘basic shell’ (more on that later) is set up I find that I can easily remove a plank/strake that does not work out and try again.  (I have done a bit of work on the model since I originally wrote this.  I DID have to remove a strake or two and try again.  It is very forgiving.)  Here goes!!

Time for a small update, just to let you know I am alive 
 
Thanks for the kind words, it good to be back.
 
I am making slow progress with the seine dory, next step is finishing the main rail.
 
Thanks for dropping by.
/Alfons

Hello,
 
Before I begin to install all guns, and work further with beams and knees for quarter deck, gun port lids must here. So the production of hinges, the lids itself are made earlier. I hope, the images are self explainable.
 





 
The installation of hinges and lid tackles.





 
After I have installed all lids, I have made blanks for channels, shaped them to right size and thickness, and installed them (only dry now).
 







 
To be continued
 
Alexander

T e i l  4

I finished the stern ornamentation. One of the biggest problems
for me was (and still is) to find a good method to transcribe the drawings shown
on the plan to the target  piece of wood, which in this case was a piece of Swiss pear
sanded down to about 5/64 inch. I chose the thickness of the wood slightly larger than
what the ornament finally should be. As transcription method I ended up with using a copy of the drawings
in the plan, blackened the backside of the paper with a pencil, placing the
paper on the target wood and tracing the drawings with a pen. This leaves the
traced part of the drawings as fine black lines on the wood. These lines I reinforced
again with a pen (image1.1). However, I would highly appreciate ideas for
better transcription methods! As a next step I glued the piece of wood with two
little droplets of superglue on a larger block of wood for easier handling.
Using a rotary tool as well as little chisels and an Exacto knife I first generated
the coarse shape and then the fine details (image 1.2). Finally the wood piece
with the carvings was detached from the wood block and sanded down until the
wood matrix (background) disappeared (image 1.3) and only the carvings remained
due to their larger thickness. This method allows generating carvings which ultimately
are thin enough to match the scale of the model. Image 1.4 shows the finished
result, images 2 and 3 show the Syren’s stern with the mounted ornamentation.
 

Production of stern carvings.
 

Mounted stern carvings.
 

Stern view of Syren with mounted carvings.

Now I only had to add a few small details to finish it up.   This was a relatively short project but was a lot of fun to build.
 
I created the oars in two pieces.   The handles were shaped on my dremel which I used as a poor man's lathe.  Once it was chocked up....I sanded and filed the square strip until it was rounded to spec.  But I left the square section untouched to create the final look which was common for the period.
 
The grapnel was a casting from Model Expo.  Seeing as this was a prototype for a future kit, I was asked to use one that they already had in stock.  It was a nice fitting and was perfectly scaled.  
 
That finished off the project.   I turned the display pedestals with my Dremel because they were small enough to chock.   They arent a perfect mating pair but look OK to my eye.
 
Thanks for looking and as always,  comments and questions are appreciated.  
 
Chuck
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

OK, I'm going to try and recreate parts of my build log for HMS Fly.  I have been working on this model for so long that it has now gone through the deaths of two sites - once at the old Dry Dock Models, and once during the Great Crash of 2013.
 
First a little back story.  I bought this kit waaaaay back in 2006 - it was one of the very first production kits off the line.  It should be done by now, and if it were anyone else but me, it probably would be.  But that's not the way I build.  My modeling urges come in intermittent fits and spurts - periods of great progress followed by usually long spells of inactivity, at least on the wood front.  I also build card ships and 1/33 scale card aircraft, so sometimes when you see Fly come to a halt, it means I have some other project on the front burner.
 
During the ensuing years, many fine models of Fly and her sister, Pegasus, have been completed here at MSW, so I will not go back to the very beginning and show all the basic framing and planking, etc.  Instead, I will highlight some of the bashing I did to the basic kit, mostly to give other builders some hints about what can be done with it.  I'm not actually working on Fly at the moment, so don't expect updates in the very near future.  Mostly I'm doing this to create a placeholder of sorts.
 
So, on we go!

Yes...see the link from Jays post above.
 
http://www.woodcraft...px?query=stains

FANTASTIC... What nice work, I'm looking forward to seeing more of this.
 
Tim

Chuck, very nice project, and instructions. I will definitely follow this when I get around to building a longboat for the Bellona (maybe in 10-12 years, at the rate I am going....)
 
Mark

To finish up the hull before the rigging starts,  I added the windless.  It was cut from square stock but then shaped with eight side in the center and the ends.  The two portions that remained square had some holes in them for the windlass handles.  These are actually square holes.  After drilling round ones,  I made them square by inserting a nail that had a pointy end that was square.  Pushing it into the round holes reconfigured them as square with a little coaxing.  Handles were cut to length and shaped as shown.   There were some knees on the sides of the hull which were cut from 1/32" thick stock.  They were positioned on top of the thwarts and against the cap rail.  
 

 

 
The rudder was cut to shape following the plans and tapered as per typical practice.  It narrows considerable as it works aft.  It was painted and the frieze details added.  The hinges (pintles and gudgeons) are just paper.  Then the horse and oarlocks were completed with some black wire.   That finishes teh hull and its now onto the masting and rigging.  I found this particularly enjoyable as its a simple rig.
 

 

 

 
Chuck
 
 
 

Hey Chuck,
 
Don't forget from MSW1.0 that I was among the first to express interest in building the Winnie along with Rusty, but I'd really like an autographed copy.
 
Ben

Can't wait to see the book!  It sounds like they could get quite a few pre-orders on the book.  I know I'd be one.

No negative on the book (which undoubtedly) will be great, as other seawatch-books are.
But I have to agree with Carl that the import- and transport fees to be paid on US-imported books are rather high.
And as to visit the US, the amount of paperwork needed for that is killing any fun of going.....
 
Jan